The Great Art Debate

[Worthy4England]

Oh, the irony.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... _sentenced

This was the bit that made me laugh the most

She [Emin] described the wording as "of a low standard, corny, unimaginative and over-sentimental"

I didn't notice the difference from what was shown on the telly...

[Bruce Rioja]

Oh, the irony.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... _sentenced

This was the bit that made me laugh the most

She [Emin] described the wording as "of a low standard, corny, unimaginative and over-sentimental"

I didn't notice the difference from what was shown on the telly...

And not all all like her tent?!

[William the White]

Sorry - slow on the uptake here, it's been a while since this thread was operative.

Bruce, what was it you said on the Politics thread about two posters being very predictable...

[thebish]

Sorry - slow on the uptake here, it's been a while since this thread was operative.

Bruce, what was it you said on the Politics thread about two posters being very predictable...

I saw this story whilst away in Germany and thought to myself...

hmmm.. TW... the art thread... Tango or Bruce? To be fair - my money was on Tango, so - well done Bruce!

[Bruce Rioja]

Sorry - slow on the uptake here, it's been a while since this thread was operative.

Bruce, what was it you said on the Politics thread about two posters being very predictable...

I saw this story whilst away in Germany and thought to myself...

hmmm.. TW... the art thread... Tango or Bruce? To be fair - my money was on Tango, so - well done Bruce!

Happy to oblige (again and again)

[William the White]

Sorry - slow on the uptake here, it's been a while since this thread was operative.

Bruce, what was it you said on the Politics thread about two posters being very predictable...

I saw this story whilst away in Germany and thought to myself...

hmmm.. TW... the art thread... Tango or Bruce? To be fair - my money was on Tango, so - well done Bruce!

Happy to oblige (again and again)

And Tango's managed his witty dig on the wayne rooney thread.

[Bruce Rioja]

Sorry - slow on the uptake here, it's been a while since this thread was operative.

Bruce, what was it you said on the Politics thread about two posters being very predictable...

I saw this story whilst away in Germany and thought to myself...

hmmm.. TW... the art thread... Tango or Bruce? To be fair - my money was on Tango, so - well done Bruce!

Happy to oblige (again and again)

And Tango's managed his witty dig on the wayne rooney thread.

Perhaps he's 'engaged' with the thread creator.

[Bruce Rioja]

So, ignoring the lines at the bottom from the scanner, what do we make of this then?

[William the White]

nowt...

[Il Pirate]

I would just like opinions and reaction to this realy. About two weeks ago, a 'Banksy' appeared on a wall on Shanklin seafront. If anyone knows Shanklin seafront, the painting, of an old woman sweeping up, with the words 'keep out litter louts'; was painted on the derelict arches behind the large carpark about halfway down the esplanade. The particular area has been an eyesore for years, in the middle of what has to be one of the most beautifull bays in the UK. It was recognised by those 'who know' their Banksy's to be an original. Excitement ensued, and I planned to get over there and view it. It was there for only two days until some F*ckwit of a counsellor ordered it to be painted over, claiming it was nothing more than graffiti and an open act of vandalism. Sadly, I and a lot of other people didn't get the chance to see a painting by one of the most iconic artists of the 21st century. I'm lucky enough to live in a lovely part of the UK, and should count my blessings, but sometimes it's like living in Salem.

[Worthy4England]

Is that Wayne Roony on the couch?

[TANGODANCER]

Obviously two puzzled women asking each other "Who the fxxk invited him?"

[General Mannerheim]

I would just like opinions and reaction to this really. About two weeks ago, a 'Banksy' appeared on a wall on Shanklin seafront. If anyone knows Shanklin seafront, the painting, of an old woman sweeping up, with the words 'keep out litter louts'; was painted on the derelict arches behind the large carpark about halfway down the esplanade. The particular area has been an eyesore for years, in the middle of what has to be one of the most beautifull bays in the UK. It was recognised by those 'who know' their Banksy's to be an original. Excitement ensued, and I planned to get over there and view it. It was there for only two days until some F*ckwit of a counsellor ordered it to be painted over, claiming it was nothing more than graffiti and an open act of vandalism. Sadly, I and a lot of other people didn't get the chance to see a painting by one of the most iconic artists of the 21st century. I'm lucky enough to live in a lovely part of the UK, and should count my blessings, but sometimes it's like living in Salem.

I work in Bristol 3 nights a week and Banksy is a local hero round here, and the whole subversive urban street art thing is really popular, there are loads of brilliant pieces or 'bombs' around the city and they are usually celebrated, as long as its not defaced a public building or summat. A lot of the local artists have laid on exhibitions that ive been to too, its something that ive taken quite an interest in since ive been here. ive even bought books and dvds about it and the history of it, from the 70's New York Subway car burners and the whole sub-culture its spawned! Weapon of Choice is the main hub of information! http://www.weaponofchoicegallery.co.uk/ or http://www.at149st.com/

I suppose thats whats interesting about art, peoples perceptions of it - id never go round the Tate gallery in London off my own back, but this stuff really grabs my attention.

As for Banksy, I always liked his work, but his ethics seemed a bit too pretentious. It was original & fun at first but then loads of imitators came out & took the shine off, then his name grew and he appeared to become a bit of a sell out, and I labelled him a bit of a nice person - but my opinion has totally changed after watching ‘Exit through the gift shop’ and I quite admire him again now. Imo Counsellors should feel privileged in Banksy wants to paint in their constituency! The trouble is if they let him get away with it, then other artists or vandals would view the area as an open canvas and the whole thing would be covered in no time - there are also the banksy haters who like to deface his work creating even more of an eyesore.

Still not sure about painting elephants tho?

[Il Pirate]

Thanks for the heads up on weapon of choice General, looks good. There was a good piece in the sun Times mag this week about urban art in New York. Good reading if you can get a copy.

[thebish]

I bought a book on urban street art earlier this year (now, where is it?)

it had some fantastic photos of some graffiti-art in a disused (chinese?) rail tunnel - hauntingly fabulous it was too... I'll try and find it...

[thebish]

I would just like opinions and reaction to this realy. About two weeks ago, a 'Banksy' appeared on a wall on Shanklin seafront. If anyone knows Shanklin seafront, the painting, of an old woman sweeping up, with the words 'keep out litter louts'; was painted on the derelict arches behind the large carpark about halfway down the esplanade. The particular area has been an eyesore for years, in the middle of what has to be one of the most beautifull bays in the UK. It was recognised by those 'who know' their Banksy's to be an original. Excitement ensued, and I planned to get over there and view it. It was there for only two days until some F*ckwit of a counsellor ordered it to be painted over, claiming it was nothing more than graffiti and an open act of vandalism. Sadly, I and a lot of other people didn't get the chance to see a painting by one of the most iconic artists of the 21st century. I'm lucky enough to live in a lovely part of the UK, and should count my blessings, but sometimes it's like living in Salem.

banksy himself agrees with you about council workers destroying art!

[Il Pirate]

I would just like opinions and reaction to this realy. About two weeks ago, a 'Banksy' appeared on a wall on Shanklin seafront. If anyone knows Shanklin seafront, the painting, of an old woman sweeping up, with the words 'keep out litter louts'; was painted on the derelict arches behind the large carpark about halfway down the esplanade. The particular area has been an eyesore for years, in the middle of what has to be one of the most beautifull bays in the UK. It was recognised by those 'who know' their Banksy's to be an original. Excitement ensued, and I planned to get over there and view it. It was there for only two days until some F*ckwit of a counsellor ordered it to be painted over, claiming it was nothing more than graffiti and an open act of vandalism. Sadly, I and a lot of other people didn't get the chance to see a painting by one of the most iconic artists of the 21st century. I'm lucky enough to live in a lovely part of the UK, and should count my blessings, but sometimes it's like living in Salem.

banksy himself agrees with you about council workers destroying art!

[William the White]

Children of the Can by Felix Braun is an excellent work on the Bristol street art scene, including Banksy.

http://www.weaponofchoicegallery.co.uk/ ... .php?id=79

Am slightly biased - Felix is the son of a good friend of mine from my time working at Bristol Old Vic. But even if he wasn't I'd still recommend.

Bolton could do with some Banksy...

[thebish]

A painting inspired by the work of one of the most ingenious art forgers of the 20th century, is the £25,000 first prize winner of the 26th John Moores Painting Prize.

Spectrum Jesus by Keith Coventry has been awarded first place in the competition which this year attracted almost 3,000 entrants. The Burnley-born artist has earned first prize with a painting which judge, Sir Norman Rosenthal, described as “full of ambiguity and contradictions”.

Depicting the face of Jesus Christ, Spectrum Jesus is based on Han van Meegeren's notorious forgeries of the 17th century Dutch master Johannes Vermeer. The painting is a blue monochromatic image, part of a series rendered in the palette and style of the German Expressionist Emil Nolde.

Sir Norman Rosenthal explains: “Spectrum Jesus explores both the moral and religious aspects of iconography. Full of ambiguity and contradictions, the painting of Jesus Christ follows some of the oldest traditions of icon painting, with the image being repeated throughout the series that the work is part of. The fact that the painting is difficult to see is intentional. The reflections on the glass slow the experience down and allow the work to be absorbed by the viewer.”

With help from the Art Fund – the UK ’s national fundraising charity for works of art – and the John Moores Liverpool Exhibition Trust, Spectrum Jesus has also been acquired for the Walker Art Gallery ’s permanent collections. The painting will now join the gallery’s impressive collection of British painting.

Director of art galleries Reyahn King said: "We are delighted that Keith Coventry is joining the ranks of esteemed artists in our collection of previous John Moores prizewinners.

“Spectrum Jesus is a fascinating painting by an artist of intellectual depth. I am thrilled that we can add Coventry ’s work to a collection which charts the progress and development of the last 53 years of British painting. We are extremely grateful to the Art Fund and the John Moores Liverpool Exhibition Trust for enabling us to keep this collection vital and relevant with the inclusion of this year's worthy winner."

Stephen Deuchar, director of the Art Fund, said: “This is a captivating work, offering a subtle contemplation on the notion of the original and the copy, and its vivid blue colour really draws the viewer’s attention. We’re really pleased to help the Walker acquire Spectrum Jesus, so that it can be shown in context of previous winners, as well as the wider story of British modern and contemporary art.”

Spectrum Jesus is part of the artist’s Repressionism series. The painting was originally displayed at the London gallery, Haunch of Venison in 2009, alongside a number of others, creating a wide colour spectrum.

This is the second occasion that Vermeer has been linked to the winner of John Moores Painting Prize. Martin Greenland won first prize in 2006 with Before Vermeer’s Clouds, an invented landscape which echoes the sense of stability and peace in Vemeer's work.

[William the White]

I like that very much indeed. The colour is so rich. The portrait androgynous. Even withour knowing its reference point, which is fascinating, its ambiguity is striking. Do you know if its hanging now, thebish?

I ask because my wife visited the Liverpool Bienniale today and is recommending some gallery trips and a Catalan cafe and that looks like one to see.

Do you like it?