Oh Lord!!!

[Dujon]

...and in picking it up - you would risk being disarmed and having it used against you and your good wife...

Are you suggesting, sir, that I should have 'turned the other cheek'? I'm sorry, thebish, but it's possible I'm a throw-back to the times when a man's home was his castle and the protection of his family was paramount. Of course it was a risk and it was a risk that I took into account despite my frame of mind at that moment. Would I have wielded the device should I have felt the circumstance warranted such? I think I would and damn the consequences. I'm not a hero type, my cyber friend, and have always talked my way out of physical confrontations, rare though they have been. I found though on that day that no law or statute, no ideological belief and, above all, no internal fear for my own safety (I'm a coward at heart) would have prevented me from protecting my 'brood'.

[Hoboh]

4.7
Traffic Network Section [AG]
• Drink drive campaign - highest results for a long time.
• Motorways - dialogue ongoing. AG leading regionally.
• Central Ticket Office looking to expand - increase diversionary courses.
• Fleet Review meeting - looking to review specification of vehicles the Force is using.
Action: DA to ensure number of armoured Land Rovers due to be delivery to the Force is sufficient to maintain Force resilience for firearms tactics (Operation ) and public order.

Taken from the minutes of a GMP meeting

I see they are looking to expand ticketing and wtf do we need the army for? it seems we could just send GMP overseas to deal with our enemies!!!!!
Joe public easy targets, I'll bet you dont see the expensive land rovers on a council estate near you soon


One of those many stories that will slip past unnoticed by many of us but worth a closer inspection.
The BBC featured the CCTV equipped Smart cars now being assessed by Greater Manchester Police (GMP). The cars are equipped with an 12 foot tall elevating mast which has a remote controlled camera on the top and the footage is recorded to hard disk in the boot mounted computer.

All fairly innocuous until you discover that the GMP's Casualty Reduction Partnership will be targeting motorists with the aim of identifying and prosecuting drivers caught using their mobile phones, eating or being otherwise distracted whilst driving.

Are we to now be left in fear of an envelope landing on our carpet with a fine for careless driving as a result of being caught interacting with a Satnav?

Once again motorists are being singled out for close attention. The cost of each vehicle, manufactured by Smart CCTV Ltd will be substantial given the custom equipment installed and so a fleet of these will be a substantial investment.

Doubtless the fines levied at easy targets which motorists are must be fantastic money spinners and the Big Brother aspects of such monitoring are another concern.

Why do we have to use these methods in greater numbers rather than funding actual Police Officer who can stop a driver seen committing an offence and then offer appropriate advice and possibly a warning where justified rather than an automatic fine and penalty points?

Similar CCTV equipped cars are already in use by local authorities looking to catch motorists committing parking offences and monitoring bus lanes. The term 'thin end of the wedge' is rather less apt these days, I fear the wedge itself is all but hear.

Why are we so accepting of this plague of monitoring without ever questioning the justification, the use of the data etc?

Easy Targets? Why ain't they out driving round council estates after Morons or would that breach their human rights while motorists seemingly have none? Why is Bolton council not using theirs for public order?

WE ARE ALL BEING CONNED

[thebish]

...and in picking it up - you would risk being disarmed and having it used against you and your good wife...

Are you suggesting, sir, that I should have 'turned the other cheek'? I'm sorry, thebish, but it's possible I'm a throw-back to the times when a man's home was his castle and the protection of his family was paramount. Of course it was a risk and it was a risk that I took into account despite my frame of mind at that moment. Would I have wielded the device should I have felt the circumstance warranted such? I think I would and damn the consequences. I'm not a hero type, my cyber friend, and have always talked my way out of physical confrontations, rare though they have been. I found though on that day that no law or statute, no ideological belief and, above all, no internal fear for my own safety (I'm a coward at heart) would have prevented me from protecting my 'brood'.

no - I didn't suggest any such thing! Where on earth did i say that??? If I were in a similar position I would pick up anything to hand and use it with extreme force against whoever was threatening my family.

My response was not to you, but to FiO. I was merely pointing out what I thought was common knowledge - that LOTS of people end up getting stabbed with their own weapon. So - if you keep a samurai sword behind the umbrella stand for the purposes of confronting a burglar - having it used against you is a distinct possibility.

[BWFC_Insane]

4.7
Traffic Network Section [AG]
• Drink drive campaign - highest results for a long time.
• Motorways - dialogue ongoing. AG leading regionally.
• Central Ticket Office looking to expand - increase diversionary courses.
• Fleet Review meeting - looking to review specification of vehicles the Force is using.
Action: DA to ensure number of armoured Land Rovers due to be delivery to the Force is sufficient to maintain Force resilience for firearms tactics (Operation ) and public order.

Taken from the minutes of a GMP meeting

I see they are looking to expand ticketing and wtf do we need the army for? it seems we could just send GMP overseas to deal with our enemies!!!!!
Joe public easy targets, I'll bet you dont see the expensive land rovers on a council estate near you soon


One of those many stories that will slip past unnoticed by many of us but worth a closer inspection.
The BBC featured the CCTV equipped Smart cars now being assessed by Greater Manchester Police (GMP). The cars are equipped with an 12 foot tall elevating mast which has a remote controlled camera on the top and the footage is recorded to hard disk in the boot mounted computer.

All fairly innocuous until you discover that the GMP's Casualty Reduction Partnership will be targeting motorists with the aim of identifying and prosecuting drivers caught using their mobile phones, eating or being otherwise distracted whilst driving.

Are we to now be left in fear of an envelope landing on our carpet with a fine for careless driving as a result of being caught interacting with a Satnav?

Once again motorists are being singled out for close attention. The cost of each vehicle, manufactured by Smart CCTV Ltd will be substantial given the custom equipment installed and so a fleet of these will be a substantial investment.

Doubtless the fines levied at easy targets which motorists are must be fantastic money spinners and the Big Brother aspects of such monitoring are another concern.

Why do we have to use these methods in greater numbers rather than funding actual Police Officer who can stop a driver seen committing an offence and then offer appropriate advice and possibly a warning where justified rather than an automatic fine and penalty points?

Similar CCTV equipped cars are already in use by local authorities looking to catch motorists committing parking offences and monitoring bus lanes. The term 'thin end of the wedge' is rather less apt these days, I fear the wedge itself is all but hear.

Why are we so accepting of this plague of monitoring without ever questioning the justification, the use of the data etc?

Easy Targets? Why ain't they out driving round council estates after Morons or would that breach their human rights while motorists seemingly have none? Why is Bolton council not using theirs for public order?

WE ARE ALL BEING CONNED

Funnily enough I agree with some of what you say Hoboh. I do think that CCTV cars and cameras are starting to go a step too far. I think getting parking tickets when you're caught on CCTV in a waiting bay for 2 or 3 minutes is going a bit far. But I suppose don't break the rules and then you won't be caught, CCTV or no CCTV.

However, the number of morons on the roads do need to be dealt with, idiots with no patience who swerve in and out of lanes in heavy traffic in order to get where they're going 5 seconds faster for one. And seeing that the police budget is being cut (as well as LA's) I suppose the idea is that they can divert some of their traffic divisions to other areas IF these CCTV cars do some of the jobs they used to.

I do think that the police should crack down on idiots using mobiles when they shouldn't. I think they should crack down on folk speeding and drink driving and car theft and joyriders. All these things are dangerous.

Thing is the probably only scratch a very small proportion of road traffic crime similar to what they can do "on the ground" in other areas. Traffic cops have the same issue as the others that the kids who go round stealing cars on estates are arrested and charged and then back on the streets to do exactly the same thing again!

[Hoboh]

4.7
Traffic Network Section [AG]
• Drink drive campaign - highest results for a long time.
• Motorways - dialogue ongoing. AG leading regionally.
• Central Ticket Office looking to expand - increase diversionary courses.
• Fleet Review meeting - looking to review specification of vehicles the Force is using.
Action: DA to ensure number of armoured Land Rovers due to be delivery to the Force is sufficient to maintain Force resilience for firearms tactics (Operation ) and public order.

Taken from the minutes of a GMP meeting

I see they are looking to expand ticketing and wtf do we need the army for? it seems we could just send GMP overseas to deal with our enemies!!!!!
Joe public easy targets, I'll bet you dont see the expensive land rovers on a council estate near you soon


One of those many stories that will slip past unnoticed by many of us but worth a closer inspection.
The BBC featured the CCTV equipped Smart cars now being assessed by Greater Manchester Police (GMP). The cars are equipped with an 12 foot tall elevating mast which has a remote controlled camera on the top and the footage is recorded to hard disk in the boot mounted computer.

All fairly innocuous until you discover that the GMP's Casualty Reduction Partnership will be targeting motorists with the aim of identifying and prosecuting drivers caught using their mobile phones, eating or being otherwise distracted whilst driving.

Are we to now be left in fear of an envelope landing on our carpet with a fine for careless driving as a result of being caught interacting with a Satnav?

Once again motorists are being singled out for close attention. The cost of each vehicle, manufactured by Smart CCTV Ltd will be substantial given the custom equipment installed and so a fleet of these will be a substantial investment.

Doubtless the fines levied at easy targets which motorists are must be fantastic money spinners and the Big Brother aspects of such monitoring are another concern.

Why do we have to use these methods in greater numbers rather than funding actual Police Officer who can stop a driver seen committing an offence and then offer appropriate advice and possibly a warning where justified rather than an automatic fine and penalty points?

Similar CCTV equipped cars are already in use by local authorities looking to catch motorists committing parking offences and monitoring bus lanes. The term 'thin end of the wedge' is rather less apt these days, I fear the wedge itself is all but hear.

Why are we so accepting of this plague of monitoring without ever questioning the justification, the use of the data etc?

Easy Targets? Why ain't they out driving round council estates after Morons or would that breach their human rights while motorists seemingly have none? Why is Bolton council not using theirs for public order?

WE ARE ALL BEING CONNED

Funnily enough I agree with some of what you say Hoboh. I do think that CCTV cars and cameras are starting to go a step too far. I think getting parking tickets when you're caught on CCTV in a waiting bay for 2 or 3 minutes is going a bit far. But I suppose don't break the rules and then you won't be caught, CCTV or no CCTV.

However, the number of morons on the roads do need to be dealt with, idiots with no patience who swerve in and out of lanes in heavy traffic in order to get where they're going 5 seconds faster for one. And seeing that the police budget is being cut (as well as LA's) I suppose the idea is that they can divert some of their traffic divisions to other areas IF these CCTV cars do some of the jobs they used to.

I do think that the police should crack down on idiots using mobiles when they shouldn't. I think they should crack down on folk speeding and drink driving and car theft and joyriders. All these things are dangerous.

Thing is the probably only scratch a very small proportion of road traffic crime similar to what they can do "on the ground" in other areas. Traffic cops have the same issue as the others that the kids who go round stealing cars on estates are arrested and charged and then back on the streets to do exactly the same thing again!

3 years and we finally agree on something

[Dujon]

...and in picking it up - you would risk being disarmed and having it used against you and your good wife...

Are you suggesting, sir, that I should have 'turned the other cheek'? I'm sorry, thebish, but it's possible I'm a throw-back to the times when a man's home was his castle and the protection of his family was paramount. Of course it was a risk and it was a risk that I took into account despite my frame of mind at that moment. Would I have wielded the device should I have felt the circumstance warranted such? I think I would and damn the consequences. I'm not a hero type, my cyber friend, and have always talked my way out of physical confrontations, rare though they have been. I found though on that day that no law or statute, no ideological belief and, above all, no internal fear for my own safety (I'm a coward at heart) would have prevented me from protecting my 'brood'.

no - I didn't suggest any such thing! Where on earth did i say that??? If I were in a similar position I would pick up anything to hand and use it with extreme force against whoever was threatening my family.

My response was not to you, but to FiO. I was merely pointing out what I thought was common knowledge - that LOTS of people end up getting stabbed with their own weapon. So - if you keep a samurai sword behind the umbrella stand for the purposes of confronting a burglar - having it used against you is a distinct possibility.

No you didn't say that, thebish. It was me who inferred from your comment that keeping some sort of weapon ready for defence incurs the risk of it becoming the tool of an assailant - of course it does. That (now obviously incorrect) inference led me to believe that you frowned upon a man being ready and willing to protect his household.

Case closed.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

no - I didn't suggest any such thing! Where on earth did i say that??? If I were in a similar position I would pick up anything to hand and use it with extreme force against whoever was threatening my family.

So now the thread has gone full circle and you are one of those comfortable with sticking a bread knife in someone threatening your family (but not pissing in your letterbox) presumably?

[BWFC_Insane]

4.7
Traffic Network Section [AG]
• Drink drive campaign - highest results for a long time.
• Motorways - dialogue ongoing. AG leading regionally.
• Central Ticket Office looking to expand - increase diversionary courses.
• Fleet Review meeting - looking to review specification of vehicles the Force is using.
Action: DA to ensure number of armoured Land Rovers due to be delivery to the Force is sufficient to maintain Force resilience for firearms tactics (Operation ) and public order.

Taken from the minutes of a GMP meeting

I see they are looking to expand ticketing and wtf do we need the army for? it seems we could just send GMP overseas to deal with our enemies!!!!!
Joe public easy targets, I'll bet you dont see the expensive land rovers on a council estate near you soon


One of those many stories that will slip past unnoticed by many of us but worth a closer inspection.
The BBC featured the CCTV equipped Smart cars now being assessed by Greater Manchester Police (GMP). The cars are equipped with an 12 foot tall elevating mast which has a remote controlled camera on the top and the footage is recorded to hard disk in the boot mounted computer.

All fairly innocuous until you discover that the GMP's Casualty Reduction Partnership will be targeting motorists with the aim of identifying and prosecuting drivers caught using their mobile phones, eating or being otherwise distracted whilst driving.

Are we to now be left in fear of an envelope landing on our carpet with a fine for careless driving as a result of being caught interacting with a Satnav?

Once again motorists are being singled out for close attention. The cost of each vehicle, manufactured by Smart CCTV Ltd will be substantial given the custom equipment installed and so a fleet of these will be a substantial investment.

Doubtless the fines levied at easy targets which motorists are must be fantastic money spinners and the Big Brother aspects of such monitoring are another concern.

Why do we have to use these methods in greater numbers rather than funding actual Police Officer who can stop a driver seen committing an offence and then offer appropriate advice and possibly a warning where justified rather than an automatic fine and penalty points?

Similar CCTV equipped cars are already in use by local authorities looking to catch motorists committing parking offences and monitoring bus lanes. The term 'thin end of the wedge' is rather less apt these days, I fear the wedge itself is all but hear.

Why are we so accepting of this plague of monitoring without ever questioning the justification, the use of the data etc?

Easy Targets? Why ain't they out driving round council estates after Morons or would that breach their human rights while motorists seemingly have none? Why is Bolton council not using theirs for public order?

WE ARE ALL BEING CONNED

Funnily enough I agree with some of what you say Hoboh. I do think that CCTV cars and cameras are starting to go a step too far. I think getting parking tickets when you're caught on CCTV in a waiting bay for 2 or 3 minutes is going a bit far. But I suppose don't break the rules and then you won't be caught, CCTV or no CCTV.

However, the number of morons on the roads do need to be dealt with, idiots with no patience who swerve in and out of lanes in heavy traffic in order to get where they're going 5 seconds faster for one. And seeing that the police budget is being cut (as well as LA's) I suppose the idea is that they can divert some of their traffic divisions to other areas IF these CCTV cars do some of the jobs they used to.

I do think that the police should crack down on idiots using mobiles when they shouldn't. I think they should crack down on folk speeding and drink driving and car theft and joyriders. All these things are dangerous.

Thing is the probably only scratch a very small proportion of road traffic crime similar to what they can do "on the ground" in other areas. Traffic cops have the same issue as the others that the kids who go round stealing cars on estates are arrested and charged and then back on the streets to do exactly the same thing again!

3 years and we finally agree on something

But surely the ultimate point is that there are still people doing those things I suspect the numbers stealing cars and speeding are even increasing.

So the police do need to "crackdown" on those things so perhaps they need the CCTV help etc?

[thebish]

no - I didn't suggest any such thing! Where on earth did i say that??? If I were in a similar position I would pick up anything to hand and use it with extreme force against whoever was threatening my family.

So now the thread has gone full circle and you are one of those comfortable with sticking a bread knife in someone threatening your family (but not pissing in your letterbox) presumably?

eh? I have not written one word against people sticking knives in anyone threatening their family....

the only previous intervention I made was to remind FiO of the fact that lots of people end up getting stabbed with their own weapons - and so to caution against keeping a samurai sword specifically available for the purpose.

so there is no circle at all - what are you talking about?

None of us really knows how we would react when put in that situation - more than twenty years ago, working in a night shelter in Vauxhall, I smashed a bloke in the face with a wooden chair when he pulled a knife on the female case-worker. he was high on drugs and had that crazy drug-addled wide-pupilled stare that makes you (in that fraction of a second) imagine that he is capable of anything. it broke his nose and two or three teeth - he droppd the knife and collapsed in a heap of remorseful blubbing.... (she didn't thank me for my youthful heroism - she told me she had the situation under control and now we had lost him as a client!)

that was when i was much younger - i don't know how I would react now - I am less impulsive than i was and have more "talking skills" when it comes to confrontation and dispute resolution - BUT I am not so naive as to imagine for a moment that I am not capable of extreme violence given the right stimulus - as most of us are.

should a crazed attacker threaten my family - i am well capable of stabbing him or hitting him repeatedly with something heavy - and the chances are that if push came to shove - I would - and if I killed him, then i would accept the legal consequences - it would be worth it to protect my family.

if he had just nicked the video and was legging it down the garden and was no threat to my family - I would NOT stab him.

[Lofthouse Lower]

So a bloke pisses through someone's letter box and its fair do's that he's stabbed to death.

Whats the fair penalty for someone who prangs your car when drunk then?

Pop round his house and rape his wife and 5 year old daughter? Or perhaps just give him a good beating and make sure there is some brain damage!

Fook me.

There are not enough Picards in the world that would do justice to your sentence.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

no - I didn't suggest any such thing! Where on earth did i say that??? If I were in a similar position I would pick up anything to hand and use it with extreme force against whoever was threatening my family.

So now the thread has gone full circle and you are one of those comfortable with sticking a bread knife in someone threatening your family (but not pissing in your letterbox) presumably?

eh? I have not written one word against people sticking knives in anyone threatening their family....
the only previous intervention I made was to remind FiO of the fact that lots of people end up getting stabbed with their own weapons - and so to caution against keeping a samurai sword specifically available for the purpose.

so there is no circle at all - what are you talking about?

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

[William the White]

no - I didn't suggest any such thing! Where on earth did i say that??? If I were in a similar position I would pick up anything to hand and use it with extreme force against whoever was threatening my family.

So now the thread has gone full circle and you are one of those comfortable with sticking a bread knife in someone threatening your family (but not pissing in your letterbox) presumably?

eh? I have not written one word against people sticking knives in anyone threatening their family....
the only previous intervention I made was to remind FiO of the fact that lots of people end up getting stabbed with their own weapons - and so to caution against keeping a samurai sword specifically available for the purpose.

so there is no circle at all - what are you talking about?

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

Currently still not in favour of killing someone who pisses through my letter box but do carry on explaining the error of my ways, I am impressed with the quality of the argument so far...

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Nah, I wouldn't waste my breath, Will.

[thebish]

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

Ok Zulu! (but you did make it sound like I had gone full circle!)

I reckon that when one (so-called) "liberal contributor" makes a contribution - he is not necessarily writing an agreed TW-list liberal line on any particular issue. And the same goes for all the lunatic right-wing nutter contributors


(This post is by thebish and should not be taken to represent the views of BWFCi or Prufrock or William the White or anyone of the other bedwetting handwringing liberal nancy-boys associated with this forum.)

[Zulus Thousand of em]

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

Ok Zulu! (but you did make it sound like I had gone full circle!)

I reckon that when one (so-called) "liberal contributor" makes a contribution - he is not necessarily writing an agreed TW-list liberal line on any particular issue. And the same goes for all the lunatic right-wing nutter contributors


(This post is by thebish and should not be taken to represent the views of BWFCi or Prufrock or William the White or anyone of the other bedwetting handwringing liberal nancy-boys associated with this forum.)

I'll stop throwing bread now. They're biting nicely!

[thebish]

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

Ok Zulu! (but you did make it sound like I had gone full circle!)

I reckon that when one (so-called) "liberal contributor" makes a contribution - he is not necessarily writing an agreed TW-list liberal line on any particular issue. And the same goes for all the lunatic right-wing nutter contributors


(This post is by thebish and should not be taken to represent the views of BWFCi or Prufrock or William the White or anyone of the other bedwetting handwringing liberal nancy-boys associated with this forum.)

I'll stop throwing bread now. They're biting nicely!

you've promised that before! you'll be back! you and tango - the pair of you - separated at birth, I say.....

[Montreal Wanderer]

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

Ok Zulu! (but you did make it sound like I had gone full circle!)

I reckon that when one (so-called) "liberal contributor" makes a contribution - he is not necessarily writing an agreed TW-list liberal line on any particular issue. And the same goes for all the lunatic right-wing nutter contributors


(This post is by thebish and should not be taken to represent the views of BWFCi or Prufrock or William the White or anyone of the other bedwetting handwringing liberal nancy-boys associated with this forum.)

I'm not sure where this puts me. On social matters I'm a social democrat, on fiscal policy I'm a conservative, and on killing malefactors I am not in favour of vigilante justice. So killing should basically be restricted to defense of person (oneself or A.N. Other) and only then as a last resort. I do not wet my bed but anticipate doing so in the not too distant future....

[thebish]

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

Ok Zulu! (but you did make it sound like I had gone full circle!)

I reckon that when one (so-called) "liberal contributor" makes a contribution - he is not necessarily writing an agreed TW-list liberal line on any particular issue. And the same goes for all the lunatic right-wing nutter contributors


(This post is by thebish and should not be taken to represent the views of BWFCi or Prufrock or William the White or anyone of the other bedwetting handwringing liberal nancy-boys associated with this forum.)

I'm not sure where this puts me. On social matters I'm a social democrat, on fiscal policy I'm a conservative, and on killing malefactors I am not in favour of vigilante justice. So killing should basically be restricted to defense of person (oneself or A.N. Other) and only then as a last resort. I do not wet my bed but anticipate doing so in the not too distant future....

sounds like you're in the bleeding heart do-gooding holier-than-thou politically-correct health and safety brigade gone mad....

welcome!

[William the White]

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

Ok Zulu! (but you did make it sound like I had gone full circle!)

I reckon that when one (so-called) "liberal contributor" makes a contribution - he is not necessarily writing an agreed TW-list liberal line on any particular issue. And the same goes for all the lunatic right-wing nutter contributors


(This post is by thebish and should not be taken to represent the views of BWFCi or Prufrock or William the White or anyone of the other bedwetting handwringing liberal nancy-boys associated with this forum.)

I'm not sure where this puts me. On social matters I'm a social democrat, on fiscal policy I'm a conservative, and on killing malefactors I am not in favour of vigilante justice. So killing should basically be restricted to defense of person (oneself or A.N. Other) and only then as a last resort. I do not wet my bed but anticipate doing so in the not too distant future....

sounds like you're in the bleeding heart do-gooding holier-than-thou politically-correct health and safety brigade gone mad....

welcome!

He's not welcome unless he hugs trees and lights candles for peace on the town hall steps, and, of course, indulges in unprovoked violent assaults on honest and decent police officers...

[seanworth]

You are very prickly today, Reverend! I said that the thread has gone full circle, not your personal opinion. I was just trying to establish the current views of our more "liberal" contributors.

Ok Zulu! (but you did make it sound like I had gone full circle!)

I reckon that when one (so-called) "liberal contributor" makes a contribution - he is not necessarily writing an agreed TW-list liberal line on any particular issue. And the same goes for all the lunatic right-wing nutter contributors


(This post is by thebish and should not be taken to represent the views of BWFCi or Prufrock or William the White or anyone of the other bedwetting handwringing liberal nancy-boys associated with this forum.)

I'm not sure where this puts me. On social matters I'm a social democrat, on fiscal policy I'm a conservative, and on killing malefactors I am not in favour of vigilante justice. So killing should basically be restricted to defense of person (oneself or A.N. Other) and only then as a last resort. I do not wet my bed but anticipate doing so in the not too distant future....

sounds like you're in the bleeding heart do-gooding holier-than-thou politically-correct health and safety brigade gone mad....

welcome!

He's not welcome unless he hugs trees and lights candles for peace on the town hall steps, and, of course, indulges in unprovoked violent assaults on honest and decent police officers...

Tree hugging is reserved for us drug smoking West Coast Hippies.