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Post by William the White » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:19 pm

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William the White wrote:Watched Jimmy McGovern's Accused first ep.

Certainly will stay with it. Few writers do tough northern urban with as much conviction as McGovern. Fewer still mix a good dollop of sentiment in with it.
Watched Garrow's on iPlayer instead and hoped to get a nod either way on Accused on here. Worth a watch tomorrow then?
Yes - looks like two good drama series by two of the most experienced TV writers. I enjoyed Garrow's Law also. Costume drama with a cause. Beats all those frocks and bonnets of Jane Austenland... :D

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:58 am

jimbo wrote:Loved this weeks episode again. It's definitely a grower and it;s getting stronger. Coogan's insecurities that were visible in the first episode are becoming more obvious, and that came to a head tonight when Brydon was recognised in the shop. Very clever series.
Aye its getting better and better, I think once the premise became clear (ep 2) it's been brilliant.

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Post by Il Pirate » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:33 am

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jimbo wrote:Loved this weeks episode again. It's definitely a grower and it;s getting stronger. Coogan's insecurities that were visible in the first episode are becoming more obvious, and that came to a head tonight when Brydon was recognised in the shop. Very clever series.
Aye its getting better and better, I think once the premise became clear (ep 2) it's been brilliant.
The thing that bothers me about this series, is that if it was written and starred Victoria Wood or say Alan Bennett, it would have been written off as 'old peoples' tv. A 'gentle' comedy with subtle sub plot. But because it's Coogan and Brydon I think, and it's just my opinion, that the series is garnering too many plaudits as a very clever comedy. Yes I've had some laugh out loud moments, and am being educated about some of the finer restuarants in the north west, but I feel the humour isn't worth the wait. The payoffs aren't big enough after lengthy periods of reflection/banter between the two actors. Perhaps I'm being spoiled by the excellent Getting on.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:03 am

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jimbo wrote:Loved this weeks episode again. It's definitely a grower and it;s getting stronger. Coogan's insecurities that were visible in the first episode are becoming more obvious, and that came to a head tonight when Brydon was recognised in the shop. Very clever series.
Aye its getting better and better, I think once the premise became clear (ep 2) it's been brilliant.
The thing that bothers me about this series, is that if it was written and starred Victoria Wood or say Alan Bennett, it would have been written off as 'old peoples' tv. A 'gentle' comedy with subtle sub plot. But because it's Coogan and Brydon I think, and it's just my opinion, that the series is garnering too many plaudits as a very clever comedy. Yes I've had some laugh out loud moments, and am being educated about some of the finer restuarants in the north west, but I feel the humour isn't worth the wait. The payoffs aren't big enough after lengthy periods of reflection/banter between the two actors. Perhaps I'm being spoiled by the excellent Getting on.
I think you're looking for something it isn't.

Its wry, its clever, self depracating and at times uncomfortable, I don't think its meant to be "hilarious".

I didn't get or like the first episode. Probably my fault.

Since then I've loved it, and the fact that they're "sending themselves up" but in a more subtle way is quite different really.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:05 pm

William the White wrote: Yes - looks like two good drama series by two of the most experienced TV writers. I enjoyed Garrow's Law also. Costume drama with a cause. Beats all those frocks and bonnets of Jane Austenland... :D
Just views from a different part/way of life/society surely Will? Certainly just as necessary to gain a perspective on it all? The beauty of Jane Austen and the Bronte sisters is that they wrote of their actual times and way of life as opposed to make believe, "how we see how it might have been" drama and, as such should be at least accepted and not passed off as just "frocks and bonnets" ? There's quite a bit to be learned from Jane Austen and more-so the Brontes about the grim bits of life too . A visit to Haworth, its museum, churchyard and countryside easily backs this up for me. I'm a fan of both and not just for the dancing bits. :wink:
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Post by superjohnmcginlay » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:08 pm

Coppers again. Some of the shit they have to deal with....
Next week's looks a belter - a night on the town.

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Post by jmjhb » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:29 pm

Il Pirate wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
jimbo wrote:Loved this weeks episode again. It's definitely a grower and it;s getting stronger. Coogan's insecurities that were visible in the first episode are becoming more obvious, and that came to a head tonight when Brydon was recognised in the shop. Very clever series.
Aye its getting better and better, I think once the premise became clear (ep 2) it's been brilliant.
The thing that bothers me about this series, is that if it was written and starred Victoria Wood or say Alan Bennett, it would have been written off as 'old peoples' tv. A 'gentle' comedy with subtle sub plot. But because it's Coogan and Brydon I think, and it's just my opinion, that the series is garnering too many plaudits as a very clever comedy. Yes I've had some laugh out loud moments, and am being educated about some of the finer restuarants in the north west, but I feel the humour isn't worth the wait. The payoffs aren't big enough after lengthy periods of reflection/banter between the two actors. Perhaps I'm being spoiled by the excellent Getting on.
Getting On - excellent? Really? Watched the first two episodes of the second series and thought it was absolutely terrible, think I laughed once in the duration of both episodes.

The Trip is much better as far as I'm concerned.

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Post by Il Pirate » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:32 pm

superjohnmcginlay wrote:Coppers again. Some of the shit they have to deal with....
Next week's looks a belter - a night on the town.
I've been watching coppers as well. Great programme, sad indicment on society in general. How they manage to do the job without resorting to giving (some) people a slap is beyond me, but I suppose the threat of losing their pension is enough...........

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Post by superjohnmcginlay » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:25 pm

Il Pirate wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:Coppers again. Some of the shit they have to deal with....
Next week's looks a belter - a night on the town.
I've been watching coppers as well. Great programme, sad indicment on society in general. How they manage to do the job without resorting to giving (some) people a slap is beyond me, but I suppose the threat of losing their pension is enough...........
A friend of mine is old bill. People do fall into his fist from time to time. Usually in Oldham town centre.

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Post by William the White » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:48 pm

superjohnmcginlay wrote:
Il Pirate wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:Coppers again. Some of the shit they have to deal with....
Next week's looks a belter - a night on the town.
I've been watching coppers as well. Great programme, sad indicment on society in general. How they manage to do the job without resorting to giving (some) people a slap is beyond me, but I suppose the threat of losing their pension is enough...........
A friend of mine is old bill. People do fall into his fist from time to time. Usually in Oldham town centre.
Oldham town centre on a Friday night is one of the most tense, truly scary, racially divided places I've ever been in. And that's at just gone seven when i and partner have been on our way to the theatre. After the show even worse.

I have a memory of, perhaps, posting on this one before.

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Post by Worthy4England » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:57 pm

William the White wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:
Il Pirate wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:Coppers again. Some of the shit they have to deal with....
Next week's looks a belter - a night on the town.
I've been watching coppers as well. Great programme, sad indicment on society in general. How they manage to do the job without resorting to giving (some) people a slap is beyond me, but I suppose the threat of losing their pension is enough...........
A friend of mine is old bill. People do fall into his fist from time to time. Usually in Oldham town centre.
Oldham town centre on a Friday night is one of the most tense, truly scary, racially divided places I've ever been in. And that's at just gone seven when i and partner have been on our way to the theatre. After the show even worse.

I have a memory of, perhaps, posting on this one before.
Not been for a while, but I seem to recall Rochdale town centre being similar - especially when they used to meet up for a friendly pint with the nice folk from Oldham.

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Post by Il Pirate » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:07 am

William the White wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:
Il Pirate wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:Coppers again. Some of the shit they have to deal with....
Next week's looks a belter - a night on the town.
I've been watching coppers as well. Great programme, sad indicment on society in general. How they manage to do the job without resorting to giving (some) people a slap is beyond me, but I suppose the threat of losing their pension is enough...........
A friend of mine is old bill. People do fall into his fist from time to time. Usually in Oldham town centre.
Oldham town centre on a Friday night is one of the most tense, truly scary, racially divided places I've ever been in. And that's at just gone seven when i and partner have been on our way to the theatre. After the show even worse.

I have a memory of, perhaps, posting on this one before.

Funny you should say that William. Many, many years ago, I took my wife to be, to watch Nell Dunne's Steaming at Oldham. When exiting the theatre, a running battle was taking place outside and I managed to get one in the gob! From whom and why I've still no idea. Just wrong place, wrong time. The play was first class though!

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Post by Worthy4England » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:05 pm

Watched Carlos the Jackal last night. A French film regarding the life of Carlos.

It was two and a half hours long and covered the OPEC hostage bits reasonably well - then dropped into about 90 mins of him travelling round countries and generally becoming persona non grata, without actually doing anything...

One to avoid probably.

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Post by William the White » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:14 pm

Il Pirate wrote:
William the White wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:
Il Pirate wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:Coppers again. Some of the shit they have to deal with....
Next week's looks a belter - a night on the town.
I've been watching coppers as well. Great programme, sad indicment on society in general. How they manage to do the job without resorting to giving (some) people a slap is beyond me, but I suppose the threat of losing their pension is enough...........
A friend of mine is old bill. People do fall into his fist from time to time. Usually in Oldham town centre.
Oldham town centre on a Friday night is one of the most tense, truly scary, racially divided places I've ever been in. And that's at just gone seven when i and partner have been on our way to the theatre. After the show even worse.

I have a memory of, perhaps, posting on this one before.[/


Funny you should say that William. Many, many years ago, I took my wife to be, to watch Nell Dunne's Steaming at Oldham. When exiting the theatre, a running battle was taking place outside and I managed to get one in the gob! From whom and why I've still no idea. Just wrong place, wrong time. The play was first class though!
I may have seen that one myself. Way way back? enjoyed.

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Post by boltonboris » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:44 pm

William the White wrote:
Il Pirate wrote:
William the White wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:
Il Pirate wrote: I've been watching coppers as well. Great programme, sad indicment on society in general. How they manage to do the job without resorting to giving (some) people a slap is beyond me, but I suppose the threat of losing their pension is enough...........
A friend of mine is old bill. People do fall into his fist from time to time. Usually in Oldham town centre.
Oldham town centre on a Friday night is one of the most tense, truly scary, racially divided places I've ever been in. And that's at just gone seven when i and partner have been on our way to the theatre. After the show even worse.

I have a memory of, perhaps, posting on this one before.[/


Funny you should say that William. Many, many years ago, I took my wife to be, to watch Nell Dunne's Steaming at Oldham. When exiting the theatre, a running battle was taking place outside and I managed to get one in the gob! From whom and why I've still no idea. Just wrong place, wrong time. The play was first class though!
I may have seen that one myself. Way way back? enjoyed.
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Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:11 pm

More importantly, he gained pleasure from it.

Despicable behaviour.
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Post by William the White » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:40 pm

Watched Lagaan and, obviously, since it's full of evil British imperialists behaving badly, loved it.

Cricket becomes the arbiter in the conflict between poverty stricken Indian villagers, led by romantic hunk Aamir Khan, and oppressive brit soldiers. who will win the game that will ensure tax is paid or not?

It's a hilarious melodrama, good-hearted from beginning to end, and the bollywood song n dance routines had us bopping on the sofa. no cliche untouched - from at least three genres. Three hours 20 mins and sometimes you laugh with it and sometimes at it...

I have a feeling it's been discussed before on here...

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Post by William the White » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:41 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:More importantly, he gained pleasure from it.

Despicable behaviour.
Whoever we're talking about should be tarred n feathered... Bastard!!!

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Post by Il Pirate » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:39 am

boltonboris wrote:
William the White wrote:
Il Pirate wrote:
William the White wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote: A friend of mine is old bill. People do fall into his fist from time to time. Usually in Oldham town centre.
Oldham town centre on a Friday night is one of the most tense, truly scary, racially divided places I've ever been in. And that's at just gone seven when i and partner have been on our way to the theatre. After the show even worse.

I have a memory of, perhaps, posting on this one before.[/


Funny you should say that William. Many, many years ago, I took my wife to be, to watch Nell Dunne's Steaming at Oldham. When exiting the theatre, a running battle was taking place outside and I managed to get one in the gob! From whom and why I've still no idea. Just wrong place, wrong time. The play was first class though!
I may have seen that one myself. Way way back? enjoyed.
You saw him get punched and you didn't do anything?

:lmfao:

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Post by Raven » Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:49 pm

Il Pirate wrote:
superjohnmcginlay wrote:Coppers again. Some of the shit they have to deal with....
Next week's looks a belter - a night on the town.
I've been watching coppers as well. Great programme, sad indicment on society in general. How they manage to do the job without resorting to giving (some) people a slap is beyond me, but I suppose the threat of losing their pension is enough...........
I watch Road Wars and a couple of other shows like that and like you have no idea how they keep their patience at times
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