Elmander to be offered new contract?

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Can we not just get shut of Petrov

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I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

The first game he doesn't score 2 the boo boys will turn on him

[Lofthouse Lower]

Can we not just get shut of Petrov

Don't be daft.

[Lofthouse Lower]

I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

The first game he doesn't score 2 the boo boys will turn on him

Don't be daft

[Worthy4England]

I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

The first game he doesn't score 2 the boo boys will turn on him

Don't be daft

Aye - it'll take them at least two games to notice, and agree amonst themselves that he's shit again. They're not the sharpest..

[CAPSLOCK]

Can we not just get shut of Petrov

Don't be daft.

Getting 40/60k a week off the bill for a bench warmer makes more sense than waving goodbye to Taylor who seems to be involved in about a third of the goals we've scored since he got in the team

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I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

The first game he doesn't score 2 the boo boys will turn on him

Don't be daft

You reckon?

Theres cocks on the internet reckon he's only performing cos he'll soon be out of contract

So, as soon as it appeared he was on his way, it'd be fcuking horrendous

'oh, look, look, he's not trying now he's got what he wants'

It started with TBH

He was suddenly under the microscope for every little faux pas

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Would not be surprised if there's some "Johan, sign the deal" chanting very very soon.

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Should have said...if the crowd don't turn on him, I'm confident we'll have him next season

[Worthy4England]

Can we not just get shut of Petrov

Don't be daft.

Getting 40/60k a week off the bill for a bench warmer makes more sense than waving goodbye to Taylor who seems to be involved in about a third of the goals we've scored since he got in the team

I guess we could get rid of Davo - I mean he's quite old.

Good time to cash in, as he's freshly out of an England cap.

Oh and 4 out of his 6 goals have come from penalties which nearly automatically makes you shit, coz anyone can take them.

[Bruce Rioja]

I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

Ah, but let us not forget. For the period during which Ben Haim's contrat was running down he was absolute dogshit!

[thebish]

I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

I think we should do the Len Ganley stance... everybody's doing it y'know...

[Hoboh]

Can we not just get shut of Petrov

To slot in a player whose form has improved hundred fold since he woke up to the fact he was rapidly becoming surplus to requirement I suppose?

[bobo the clown]

I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

Ah, but let us not forget. For the period during which Ben Haim's contrat was running down he was absolute dogshit!

Oh, I saw what you did there ... very good.

Touché

I assume that was irony Bruce.

[H. Pedersen]

I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

Ah, but let us not forget. For the period during which Ben Haim's contrat was running down he was absolute dogshit!

And ever since, in fairness.

[Bruce Rioja]

I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.

Ah, but let us not forget. For the period during which Ben Haim's contrat was running down he was absolute dogshit!

Oh, I saw what you did there ... very good.

Touché

I assume that was irony Bruce.

Not entirely, Bobo. Though I do agree with Caps and think that he was vilified for every mistake he made after the Jan window, he did absolutely stop performing to anything like the best of his ability. Peds is absolutely spot on the money that he hasn't played any better for anyone else since also.

[bobo the clown]

We should ensure we make him a competitive offer & then explain to himthat it took him 2 years to settle & he really can't afford to do that again & maybe the devil you know and all that.

He looks a bright boy.

[Alzheimer]

As much as Coyle has worked wonders turning Elmander around, he's not a miracle worker. Elmander was a good player before he came here and will be a good player when he leaves. I think its dangerous to start thinking that because Coyle is a good motivator and man manager that we can throw any old shit at him and hope for the best!

You're absolutely right. Elmander was really really good 2007 and first part of 2008. He was brilliant in the euro Eualifying 2008 dominating the field totally against Spain when Sweden won 2-0 at home.And was absolutely stunning scoring twice against Denmark away.He was also voted 2nd best forward in the French ligue behind Benzema and he was the key player taking Toulouse to a third place in the ligue which is the best result they have had in Toulouses history.I think things started to go wrong when Henrik Larsson suddenly made a comeback to the European championships 2008.Elmander was put on the bunch or played as a winger despite my opinion that Elmander was better for the team than the others. Even if it is understandable that the coach played Ibra and Larsson given their status as world class players.

Then in the autumn he got injured twice in his first season for Bolton which made him struggle even more with his selfconfidence.
I don't think Megson is to blame for Elmanders poor scoring record those two years though. I think Elmander was his own worst enemy putting pressure on himself and I frankly think that some of the Bolton fans are more to blame than Megson.It isn't exactly a picknick when you have low selfesteem and your own fans turns against you.I have never understood why fans turns against their own players since it is contraproductive to do so.
Elmander never has and never will be a top goalscorer (I hope he proves me wrong this year).He isn't a sniper and I'm absolutely certain that Klasnic would outscore Elmander by far if he played instead.But Elmander is so much more.His workrate is fantastic and his movement creates so much for his teammates.
I've seen almost every game that Elmander played in Bolton and he is of course a notch better this year but the main difference is that he scores a lot.But he was actually quite good in many games the two years before also creating a lot of chances for himself(even if he missed them horribly). So if Bolton fans wants Elmander to sign a new deal soleily because of his recent scoring form I think you have to rethink if you really want to sign him.Because more often and not he is going to continue doing like he did against Chelsea last year or Man U this year(humiliating Vidic just to shoot over in the next moment).

Oh God I have really been rambling.So to sum it up with another rambling:

*Coyle seems to be an excellent coach but he is not the main difference between Elmander now and Elmander the two years before.Even if he of course have had some impact on Elmos performances.
*Coyle seems to have an excellent eye for players with a nice touch on the ball and who doesn't cost a fortune so I think he doesn't have to shape up old shit.I think he will get Bolton a couple of good players during the january transfer
* I'm pretty sure that Elmander won't leave Bolton unless he gets an offer from a much bigger and better club.If he goes to a club like Everton,Stoke or Newcastle then I would truly have misjudged Elmanders character.Money is not the decision point for Elmander unless Bolton proposes a pay cut.
* If Elmander stays he most probably will continue to make pretty good performances but he will miss chances like no one else and you have to accept that he needs 3 really good chances to score once and that he will horribly miss the other two chances.Fans must be prepared to cope with that.

[H. Pedersen]

I don't think Megson is to blame for Elmanders poor scoring record those two years though. I think Elmander was his own worst enemy putting pressure on himself and I frankly think that some of the Bolton fans are more to blame than Megson.It isn't exactly a picknick when you have low selfesteem and your own fans turns against you.I have never understood why fans turns against their own players since it is contraproductive to do so.

Can anybody recall a specific time when this happened? I've seen this idea out there that the fans "turned on Elmander" but I just don't think it happened. There was chanting for Klasnic but liking Klasnic better than Elmander is not the same thing as turning on Elmander. Sometimes substitutions were booed but that booing was, as far as I could tell, directed at Megson, not the players.

At any rate, your first point - that Megson was not to blame - isn't really valid since Elmander blamed Megson explicitly.

[Alzheimer]

Can anybody recall a specific time when this happened? I've seen this idea out there that the fans "turned on Elmander" but I just don't think it happened. There was chanting for Klasnic but liking Klasnic better than Elmander is not the same thing as turning on Elmander. Sometimes substitutions were booed but that booing was, as far as I could tell, directed at Megson, not the players.

I have read this forum for two years.I have a very hard time believing that the harsh opinions about Elmanders play never reached the pitch.
There was also obviously booing when Elmander was substituted after playing pretty bad.I don't understand the logic If it was actually Megson that was booed at. Why would you boo at the coach when he is substituting someone that everyone in the forum agreed played bad?
But I can't really argue since you have been there and I haven't.

At any rate, your first point - that Megson was not to blame - isn't really valid since Elmander blamed Megson explicitly.

You have other sources than I have suppose since I don't read english newspapers. The only bad things Elmander has said about Megson in Swedish papers is that yelling and staring at him when he plays bad doesn't help .Elmo took full responsibility for his own performances though and didn't blame anything of that on Megson.


Anyhow it isn't Coyle that have made Elmander the player he is.
And it wasn't Megson or Bolton Fans that put a scoring spell on him either.
It was probably a lot of things combined including things like injuries.The world is just too complex to find out exactly why things are going wrong or right. But I maintain my opinion that Megson is not more to blame than some of the fans.