Elmander to be offered new contract?

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He can then join the list of players who have failed after they have left us. And Elmander is likely to do that as his self confidence always seemed low when he first came and that is likely to happen again when /if he joins a new club. Ricketts anybody!

I don't think Elmander is gods gift to football or anything. But your post is almost ignorant. It is like he came to Bolton like a nobody. There was a reason for why Bolton had to pay the money they did.

He came to Bolton after being extremely praised after contributing to Toulouses sensational CL qualification.And he also had a place in L'equipes team of the year.The Franch ligue is not of PL standard but it is a good league and the players are very strong individually as you can see looking at the team of the year 2007.

Grégory Coupet (Lyon) - Bacary Sagna (Auxerre/Arsenal), Cris (Lyon), Sébastien Puygrenier (Nany), Eric Abidal (Lyon/Barcelona) - Sydney Govou (Lyon), Juninho (Lyon), Jérémy Toulalan (Lyon), Florent Malouda (Lyon/Chelsea) - Johan Elmander (Toulouse), Karim Benzema (Lyon).

He also scored 4 goals in 6 games against the top 3 opponents in Swedens Euro 2008 qualification group. He hit the woodwork twice and scored one goal against Spain that later won Euro 2008.He was Puyols worst nightmare in that game.

And Elmander didn't even start superbadly in Bolton.I think his 5 goals in his first 13 games 2008 was OK given the team you had and the defensive style you played.
His troubles in Bolton began when he couldn't bounce back after his injury problems started.
Every player faces a risk failing in a new club but Elmander is not more proned to do so than any other player.It is a bit naive to think Elmanders recent success just could have been had in Bolton and that he will fail in another club.
He did fail in Feynoord also but then he was only 18.In his other clubs he has been praised for his first years despite the fact he isn't exactly a goalscorer. .

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[TKIZ!]

I also noticed Al that another former Wanderer was in that list Mr Puygrenier. Was this another case of HWSNBN not getting the goods out of a player?

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I also noticed Al that another former Wanderer was in that list Mr Puygrenier. Was this another case of HWSNBN not getting the goods out of a player?

Thought we'd made a fantastic signing when we brought him in. Would have been interesting to see the player he'd have been under Coyle.

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He still wouldn't have been able to head a ball

Bit of a worry for a centre back in England

[Worthy4England]

He can then join the list of players who have failed after they have left us. And Elmander is likely to do that as his self confidence always seemed low when he first came and that is likely to happen again when /if he joins a new club. Ricketts anybody!

I don't think Elmander is gods gift to football or anything. But your post is almost ignorant. It is like he came to Bolton like a nobody. There was a reason for why Bolton had to pay the money they did.

He came to Bolton after being extremely praised after contributing to Toulouses sensational CL qualification.And he also had a place in L'equipes team of the year.The Franch ligue is not of PL standard but it is a good league and the players are very strong individually as you can see looking at the team of the year 2007.

Grégory Coupet (Lyon) - Bacary Sagna (Auxerre/Arsenal), Cris (Lyon), Sébastien Puygrenier (Nany), Eric Abidal (Lyon/Barcelona) - Sydney Govou (Lyon), Juninho (Lyon), Jérémy Toulalan (Lyon), Florent Malouda (Lyon/Chelsea) - Johan Elmander (Toulouse), Karim Benzema (Lyon).

He also scored 4 goals in 6 games against the top 3 opponents in Swedens Euro 2008 qualification group. He hit the woodwork twice and scored one goal against Spain that later won Euro 2008.He was Puyols worst nightmare in that game.

And Elmander didn't even start superbadly in Bolton.I think his 5 goals in his first 13 games 2008 was OK given the team you had and the defensive style you played.
His troubles in Bolton began when he couldn't bounce back after his injury problems started.
Every player faces a risk failing in a new club but Elmander is not more proned to do so than any other player.It is a bit naive to think Elmanders recent success just could have been had in Bolton and that he will fail in another club.
He did fail in Feynoord also but then he was only 18.In his other clubs he has been praised for his first years despite the fact he isn't exactly a goalscorer. .

You're being far too objective - stop it.

Incidentally, we did have Puygrenier out of that team listed for a while too - he didn't set the world on fire. France do pretty well at international level, but a couple of seasons back, their Club teams weren't noted for the wide array of European trophies.

What people don't see - generally because they're biased, Davo's scoring record isn't all that and a bag of chips either.

Davo scores a goal every 466 mins. That was including playing in a team that finished in the top 8 four years running. That only got under the 500+ mark when Megson decided to lob everthing at his head and he bagged 11 in one season.

Elmander in his first two years got us a goal every 465 - shit as he was. With Megson in charge. In a team that finished bottom half twice and having picked up a couple of injuries along the way.

I shall now await the "yes but Davo does all this too" comments...

[Hoboh]

Can anybody recall a specific time when this happened? I've seen this idea out there that the fans "turned on Elmander" but I just don't think it happened. There was chanting for Klasnic but liking Klasnic better than Elmander is not the same thing as turning on Elmander. Sometimes substitutions were booed but that booing was, as far as I could tell, directed at Megson, not the players.

I have read this forum for two years.I have a very hard time believing that the harsh opinions about Elmanders play never reached the pitch.
There was also obviously booing when Elmander was substituted after playing pretty bad.I don't understand the logic If it was actually Megson that was booed at. Why would you boo at the coach when he is substituting someone that everyone in the forum agreed played bad?
But I can't really argue since you have been there and I haven't.

At any rate, your first point - that Megson was not to blame - isn't really valid since Elmander blamed Megson explicitly.

You have other sources than I have suppose since I don't read english newspapers. The only bad things Elmander has said about Megson in Swedish papers is that yelling and staring at him when he plays bad doesn't help .Elmo took full responsibility for his own performances though and didn't blame anything of that on Megson.


Anyhow it isn't Coyle that have made Elmander the player he is.
And it wasn't Megson or Bolton Fans that put a scoring spell on him either.
It was probably a lot of things combined including things like injuries.The world is just too complex to find out exactly why things are going wrong or right. But I maintain my opinion that Megson is not more to blame than some of the fans.

Sorry, but I find a lot of your assesment about Mandy & Megson to be way off the mark.
Megson was a great party to the ridicule Mandy has suffered on the terraces, pubs and forums mainly because he spent a club record fee on a striker to replace Anelka then told us not to expect a "goal scorer", the man was clearly barking considering we had no one else!

Mandys failing till now has been being a big lad he was soft in the premier league requirements for a succesful striker, he couldn't shoot for peanuts and he sure as hell was not doing what the fans wanted, bagging the onion!!

Coyle has changed the way we play very carefully and allowed Mandy to regain confidence it wasn't the fans that fecked him over it was Megson!

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Sorry, but I find a lot of your assesment about Mandy & Megson to be way off the mark.
Megson was a great party to the ridicule Mandy has suffered on the terraces, pubs and forums mainly because he spent a club record fee on a striker to replace Anelka then told us not to expect a "goal scorer", the man was clearly barking considering we had no one else!

So you want to put more blame on Megson for bying him than you do on the ones ridiculing Elmander?I fail too see that the buy itself made Elmander play bad after an OK start.Personally I don't care for what reason fans ridicule their own players.It is always wrong.And it is especially wrong when players don't have attitude problems.

I love Coyles football philosophy and I didn't care much for Megson but I have always been allergic against simple solutions/answers(mostly because I don't like the search for escape goats which is always present when for example accidents happens or when teams fails).
There are so many factors behind a teams results that it is almost impossible to separate each factors effect on the result.
Just look at Roy Hodgson.A success last year at Fulham but a flop in Liverpool.A success coaching the Switz national team and a flop in Blackburn.
And the world of football is full of examples of similar stuff.
I think Coyle has been very good for Bolton.But I have no difficulty seeing thousands of fans calling him an optimistic idiot within two years when the results aren't coming anymore. He can be doing the same thing and being the same coach then but other factors could have made Bolton showing worse results.
But the judgements will again be of the type Megson=Really really bad and Coyle=Really really good. But this time Manager X= Really really good and Coyle= Really really bad.

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You're wasting your time

People will not accept the part they played in elmanders struggles

Slag Elmander, slag Megson, slag Steinnson but fcuking hell, don't give it 'em back

[hisroyalgingerness]

I don't recall at games though any animosity direct at Elmo?

[HMX]

Nor do I.

[boltonboris]

I don't recall at games though any animosity direct at Elmo?

You're missing the point.. Everything CAPS says is the truth. He never, ever talks absolute bollocks!

Do you get the sacrastic tone here?

As you said, Elmanders poor touches and wasteful finishes were never met with anything more than groans and face palms! Nothing was ever malicious and I never heard boo's.

But carry on CAPS, carry on boring us with your inane ramblings

[Athers]

Chanting for Klasnic when he missed a chance wasn't exactly the Enigma code!

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Chanting for Klasnic when he missed a chance wasn't exactly the Enigma code!

Nor was the singing of 'funny' songs at him when he was warming up as a sub

I've already said he got a much easier ride than I'd have expected

Clearly its beyond some folk to grasp the point - not shocked the site manc is struggling

[H. Pedersen]

I like how even when you're admitting that there wasn't much, if any, abuse directed at Elmander, you still find a way to slag off Bolton fans. You and Megson would get along great.

[Lord Kangana]

He still wouldn't have been able to head a ball

Bit of a worry for a centre back in England

I've had a glass or two of wine, admittedly. And Puygrenier could certainly play football.

But I agree with Caps.

[Lord Kangana]

Apart from the Elmo stuff.

Thats bollox, and a very tiny minority. He was given a hell of a lenient time considering the size of the fee.People turned on Deano much quicker.

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Apart from the Elmo stuff.

Thats bollox, and a very tiny minority. He was given a hell of a lenient time considering the size of the fee.People turned on Deano much quicker.

I haven't said it was a big thing

I can't be arsed repeating it....again

He's just a lad who needs to be loved and it SHOULD play a part in his decision

Anyway, screamer from Petrov...in amongst much shite otherwise, but got to doff my cap to that one moment

[Lord Kangana]

Maybe I see Petrov like you saw Elmander?

I'm now scaring myself.

Need to open another bottle and watch that Mavies goal again....

F*ckin hell, does everyone realise we'll be talking about this period for years? I'm not sure I've got the words.

[TANGODANCER]

....
F*ckin hell, does everyone realise we'll be talking about this period for years? I'm not sure I've got the words.

United got seven yet Shearer said ours was his favourite goal of the day.

[Lord Kangana]

Quality over quantity every day of the week Tango .