Would you swap Elmo for Anelka now?

[Worthy4England]

But back to the thread, why would Elmander and his agent be acting as they are over the contract renewal if they both didn't believe that he was now "god's gift to football" and that many other clubs would pay him a fortune to play for them? Isn't that a form of unjustified bigheadedness after two years of underperformance followed by 14 games of excellent performance?

He may be right but shouldn't he respect what Bolton and Coyle have done for him, in standing by him and helping him to his current exhaulted and potentially temporary position, by signing a new contract? If these other clubs do believe that he is worth having they will still want him and he could then help Bolton to get a good price for him, just like Anelka did!

So he should just sign any owd bit of paper we put in front of him?

I think you're missing the whole point of Contract Negotiations...

Both sides have a starting position and move towards an agreement if possible.

You comments are pretty much without substance, as you have zero notion of what starting position has been put to Elmander by the Club (nor have I), yet him not signing this bit of paper (which we don't understand the content of) makes him an egotist? There was talk that this bit of paper contained a hefty salary cut. Maybe all employees should just accept this when their boss puts the idea in front of them...

[FaninOz]

But back to the thread, why would Elmander and his agent be acting as they are over the contract renewal if they both didn't believe that he was now "god's gift to football" and that many other clubs would pay him a fortune to play for them? Isn't that a form of unjustified bigheadedness after two years of underperformance followed by 14 games of excellent performance?

He may be right but shouldn't he respect what Bolton and Coyle have done for him, in standing by him and helping him to his current exhaulted and potentially temporary position, by signing a new contract? If these other clubs do believe that he is worth having they will still want him and he could then help Bolton to get a good price for him, just like Anelka did!

So he should just sign any owd bit of paper we put in front of him?

I think you're missing the whole point of Contract Negotiations...

Both sides have a starting position and move towards an agreement if possible.

You comments are pretty much without substance, as you have zero notion of what starting position has been put to Elmander by the Club (nor have I), yet him not signing this bit of paper (which we don't understand the content of) makes him an egotist? There was talk that this bit of paper contained a hefty salary cut. Maybe all employees should just accept this when their boss puts the idea in front of them...

I suppose you and others are right, extreme views with "no substance" are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unusual on this site where everyone else talks complete sense from totally informed and accurate knowledge that I must be to have an independant opinion I guess

[Worthy4England]

But back to the thread, why would Elmander and his agent be acting as they are over the contract renewal if they both didn't believe that he was now "god's gift to football" and that many other clubs would pay him a fortune to play for them? Isn't that a form of unjustified bigheadedness after two years of underperformance followed by 14 games of excellent performance?

He may be right but shouldn't he respect what Bolton and Coyle have done for him, in standing by him and helping him to his current exhaulted and potentially temporary position, by signing a new contract? If these other clubs do believe that he is worth having they will still want him and he could then help Bolton to get a good price for him, just like Anelka did!

So he should just sign any owd bit of paper we put in front of him?

I think you're missing the whole point of Contract Negotiations...

Both sides have a starting position and move towards an agreement if possible.

You comments are pretty much without substance, as you have zero notion of what starting position has been put to Elmander by the Club (nor have I), yet him not signing this bit of paper (which we don't understand the content of) makes him an egotist? There was talk that this bit of paper contained a hefty salary cut. Maybe all employees should just accept this when their boss puts the idea in front of them...

I suppose you and others are right, extreme views with "no substance" are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unusual on this site where everyone else talks complete sense from totally informed and accurate knowledge that I must be to have an independant opinion I guess

No, you've given your opinion, and said why you think it's correct.

I just happen to think you're wrong.

You still haven't commented on what you think he should do, if the Contract we've put in front of him (let's say for arguments sake) halves his pay. Just sign it?

It's not the holding of your opinion I think is .

It's the opinion you are holding.

[FaninOz]

It's not the holding of your opinion I think is .

It's the opinion you are holding.

Now that is a breath of freshair!

But surely it is unlikely that Bolton have offered him a silly contract, it is more likely that what they have offered him is fair and reasonable in the circumstances. But like everyone else I don't actually know, however based on my perception that players usually want over inflated contracts it is more likely that he and/or his agent are after what is likely to be considered an unjustifiable and unaffordable contact by Bolton.

Also in answer to Capslock

So, just how do you propose Elmander helps Bolton 'like' Anelka did

Elmander could accept what Bolton are offering for now and then negotiate a new contract with another club when they come knocking at the door just like Anelka did. I'm sure that Bolton and Anelka did a deal as to what would happen when others came to call and I'm sure that we could do the same with Elmander.

Just opinions like.

[seanworth]

It's not the holding of your opinion I think is .

It's the opinion you are holding.

Now that is a breath of freshair!

But surely it is unlikely that Bolton have offered him a silly contract, it is more likely that what they have offered him is fair and reasonable in the circumstances. But like everyone else I don't actually know, however based on my perception that players usually want over inflated contracts it is more likely that he and/or his agent are after what is likely to be considered an unjustifiable and unaffordable contact by Bolton.

Also in answer to Capslock

So, just how do you propose Elmander helps Bolton 'like' Anelka did

Elmander could accept what Bolton are offering for now and then negotiate a new contract with another club when they come knocking at the door just like Anelka did. I'm sure that Bolton and Anelka did a deal as to what would happen when others came to call and I'm sure that we could do the same with Elmander.

Just opinions like.

That is your assumption. Based upon his play the previous two seasons I would have seriously reduced the offer to him. You though follow up with your assumption with what you throw out as a fact, which is that Elmander's ego is out of control even though nothing said by himself, or leaking out through outside sources, team mates or even the club indicate anything of the sort. That is what people are objecting to. You didn't state you think or you wonder if his ego has taken over, you simply state it like it is a fact.

[Worthy4England]

It's not the holding of your opinion I think is .

It's the opinion you are holding.

Now that is a breath of freshair!

But surely it is unlikely that Bolton have offered him a silly contract, it is more likely that what they have offered him is fair and reasonable in the circumstances. But like everyone else I don't actually know, however based on my perception that players usually want over inflated contracts it is more likely that he and/or his agent are after what is likely to be considered an unjustifiable and unaffordable contact by Bolton.

Also in answer to Capslock

So, just how do you propose Elmander helps Bolton 'like' Anelka did

Elmander could accept what Bolton are offering for now and then negotiate a new contract with another club when they come knocking at the door just like Anelka did. I'm sure that Bolton and Anelka did a deal as to what would happen when others came to call and I'm sure that we could do the same with Elmander.

Just opinions like.

Well no, not all in there.

But still not quite there with it.

There is some anecdotal information that Bolton are offering him a cut down deal for 12 months - can't remember exactly where it came from, but I thought it was attributed to something Garty or Coyle said in the press.

If it happened to be true, then Elmander may have no need to do anything. As there's no benefit to him to do so, although there might be for the Club. Bolton don't set the market, other teams do. My understanding of the Anelka situation was that he got more cash when he signed the extension, in return for us getting the ability to sell him for double what we paid.

[FaninOz]

That is your assumption. Based upon his play the previous two seasons I would have seriously reduced the offer to him. You though follow up with your assumption with what you throw out as a fact, which is that Elmander's ego is out of control even though nothing said by himself, or leaking out through outside sources, team mates or even the club indicate anything of the sort. That is what people are objecting to. You didn't state you think or you wonder if his ego has taken over, you simply state it like it is a fact.

Now that is new and novel for many posting on here, I think not, if you analyse most posts you would be able to make that claim about the vast majority of comments on here, so nothing new there then.