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Re: January transfer window...

Post by Lofthouse Lower » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:08 pm

The Pope wrote:Curtis Davies is an excellent player who's had some rough luck with injuries.

If we could sell Cahill for something close to his release clause (£17 million?) and bring in Davies for a relatively small fee, I believe that would represent very good business.
:lol: As if!

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Re: January transfer window...

Post by GeraldCid » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:15 pm

East Lower wrote:
The Pope wrote:Curtis Davies is an excellent player who's had some rough luck with injuries.

If we could sell Cahill for something close to his release clause (£17 million?) and bring in Davies for a relatively small fee, I believe that would represent very good business.
:lol: As if!
I thought Cahill had a clause in his contract stating his value went to 15m when he got his England cap. So 17m wouldnt be so far off? I could be wrong though, its just something I heard.

Id be happy to see Davies replace him, whats the story with this Conolly lad we got fom Wolves? Is he looking anything like a premier league player yet?
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Re: January transfer window...

Post by boltonboris » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:20 pm

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East Lower wrote:
The Pope wrote:Curtis Davies is an excellent player who's had some rough luck with injuries.

If we could sell Cahill for something close to his release clause (£17 million?) and bring in Davies for a relatively small fee, I believe that would represent very good business.
:lol: As if!
I thought Cahill had a clause in his contract stating his value went to 15m when he got his England cap. So 17m wouldnt be so far off? I could be wrong though, its just something I heard.

Id be happy to see Davies replace him, whats the story with this Conolly lad we got fom Wolves? Is he looking anything like a premier league player yet?
It went from £15m to £17m after his England appearance
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:21 pm

East Lower wrote:We play Liverpool in three weeks. I'd say it is more likely that they were scouting future opponents, and not BWFC Insane's crackers theories about other players.
I bet Burnley fans said something similar when Nixon first wrote Coyle was coming here!

End of the day as much as people on here like to make fun of me for saying it, Nixon is Coyle's media moutpiece, Sam had one (wrote for the Sun or Daily Mail I think) but Nixon is even closer to Coyle.

Has he printed anything that hasn't been right about us since OC came?

I think the answer is no.

That doesn't mean Elmo is going to Liverpool, the full story had a lot of caveats and possibilities discussed. I still think Elmander will stay with us and sign some sort of a new deal.

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Re: January transfer window...

Post by Lofthouse Lower » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:21 pm

GeraldCid wrote:
East Lower wrote:
The Pope wrote:Curtis Davies is an excellent player who's had some rough luck with injuries.

If we could sell Cahill for something close to his release clause (£17 million?) and bring in Davies for a relatively small fee, I believe that would represent very good business.
:lol: As if!
I thought Cahill had a clause in his contract stating his value went to 15m when he got his England cap. So 17m wouldnt be so far off? I could be wrong though, its just something I heard.

Id be happy to see Davies replace him, whats the story with this Conolly lad we got fom Wolves? Is he looking anything like a premier league player yet?
Not doubting that he has the release clause, just that someone would think of paying £17m for him.

Connolly has potential but is nowhere near the first team yet, he's struggling in the reserves nevermind the first team.

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Post by Raven » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:25 pm

TKIZ! wrote:Linked again this morning with the Argie defender that I can't remember the name of according to the fountain of knowledge that is clubcall and talksport.
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Post by thebish » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:26 pm

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East Lower wrote:We play Liverpool in three weeks. I'd say it is more likely that they were scouting future opponents, and not BWFC Insane's crackers theories about other players.
I bet Burnley fans said something similar when Nixon first wrote Coyle was coming here!

End of the day as much as people on here like to make fun of me for saying it, Nixon is Coyle's media moutpiece, Sam had one (wrote for the Sun or Daily Mail I think) but Nixon is even closer to Coyle.

Has he printed anything that hasn't been right about us since OC came?

I don't know - because I don't get the Mirror and don't studiously read everything that Nixon writes..

you may very well be right - but, sometimes these ideas become stronger than they actually are - because once you get the idea that a journalamist is just a manager's puppet, then everything they say that turns out to be true merely reinforces your belief and you easily miss anything that disproves the theory...

is it not possible that SOMETIMES coyle tells nixon stuff and he prints it - but that ALSO - sometimes Nixon is just operating like any other journalamist??

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:43 pm

thebish wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
East Lower wrote:We play Liverpool in three weeks. I'd say it is more likely that they were scouting future opponents, and not BWFC Insane's crackers theories about other players.
I bet Burnley fans said something similar when Nixon first wrote Coyle was coming here!

End of the day as much as people on here like to make fun of me for saying it, Nixon is Coyle's media moutpiece, Sam had one (wrote for the Sun or Daily Mail I think) but Nixon is even closer to Coyle.

Has he printed anything that hasn't been right about us since OC came?

I don't know - because I don't get the Mirror and don't studiously read everything that Nixon writes..

you may very well be right - but, sometimes these ideas become stronger than they actually are - because once you get the idea that a journalamist is just a manager's puppet, then everything they say that turns out to be true merely reinforces your belief and you easily miss anything that disproves the theory...

is it not possible that SOMETIMES coyle tells nixon stuff and he prints it - but that ALSO - sometimes Nixon is just operating like any other journalamist??
I'm sure he operates like any other journalist in regards to other matters. But I don't believe he'd print a story without having it checked out with Coyle first. As I understand it Nixon was one of the major reasons Coyle got the Burnley job in one way or another (Gartside's part in it was overblown). I don't think its the usual journo -manager relationship I think they've been mates going back to when Coyle was starting out as a player. I only know this from reading the Burnley forum when Coyle was first linked here and by the occassional look at the Rovers forum Nixon sometimes posts on!

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Post by thebish » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:51 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
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BWFC_Insane wrote:
East Lower wrote:We play Liverpool in three weeks. I'd say it is more likely that they were scouting future opponents, and not BWFC Insane's crackers theories about other players.
I bet Burnley fans said something similar when Nixon first wrote Coyle was coming here!

End of the day as much as people on here like to make fun of me for saying it, Nixon is Coyle's media moutpiece, Sam had one (wrote for the Sun or Daily Mail I think) but Nixon is even closer to Coyle.

Has he printed anything that hasn't been right about us since OC came?

I don't know - because I don't get the Mirror and don't studiously read everything that Nixon writes..

you may very well be right - but, sometimes these ideas become stronger than they actually are - because once you get the idea that a journalamist is just a manager's puppet, then everything they say that turns out to be true merely reinforces your belief and you easily miss anything that disproves the theory...

is it not possible that SOMETIMES coyle tells nixon stuff and he prints it - but that ALSO - sometimes Nixon is just operating like any other journalamist??
I'm sure he operates like any other journalist in regards to other matters. But I don't believe he'd print a story without having it checked out with Coyle first. As I understand it Nixon was one of the major reasons Coyle got the Burnley job in one way or another (Gartside's part in it was overblown). I don't think its the usual journo -manager relationship I think they've been mates going back to when Coyle was starting out as a player. I only know this from reading the Burnley forum when Coyle was first linked here and by the occassional look at the Rovers forum Nixon sometimes posts on!
why would Gartside have played any part at all in Coyle getting the Burnley job?

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Post by GeraldCid » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:52 pm

East Lower wrote:
GeraldCid wrote:
East Lower wrote:
The Pope wrote:Curtis Davies is an excellent player who's had some rough luck with injuries.

If we could sell Cahill for something close to his release clause (£17 million?) and bring in Davies for a relatively small fee, I believe that would represent very good business.
:lol: As if!
I thought Cahill had a clause in his contract stating his value went to 15m when he got his England cap. So 17m wouldnt be so far off? I could be wrong though, its just something I heard.

Id be happy to see Davies replace him, whats the story with this Conolly lad we got fom Wolves? Is he looking anything like a premier league player yet?
Not doubting that he has the release clause, just that someone would think of paying £17m for him.

Connolly has potential but is nowhere near the first team yet, he's struggling in the reserves nevermind the first team.
Yeh I guess your right, I cant think of anybody who would pay 15m+ for him. Id still be happy with 9-12m for him, great return for our money.
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:53 pm

thebish wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
thebish wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
East Lower wrote:We play Liverpool in three weeks. I'd say it is more likely that they were scouting future opponents, and not BWFC Insane's crackers theories about other players.
I bet Burnley fans said something similar when Nixon first wrote Coyle was coming here!

End of the day as much as people on here like to make fun of me for saying it, Nixon is Coyle's media moutpiece, Sam had one (wrote for the Sun or Daily Mail I think) but Nixon is even closer to Coyle.

Has he printed anything that hasn't been right about us since OC came?

I don't know - because I don't get the Mirror and don't studiously read everything that Nixon writes..

you may very well be right - but, sometimes these ideas become stronger than they actually are - because once you get the idea that a journalamist is just a manager's puppet, then everything they say that turns out to be true merely reinforces your belief and you easily miss anything that disproves the theory...

is it not possible that SOMETIMES coyle tells nixon stuff and he prints it - but that ALSO - sometimes Nixon is just operating like any other journalamist??
I'm sure he operates like any other journalist in regards to other matters. But I don't believe he'd print a story without having it checked out with Coyle first. As I understand it Nixon was one of the major reasons Coyle got the Burnley job in one way or another (Gartside's part in it was overblown). I don't think its the usual journo -manager relationship I think they've been mates going back to when Coyle was starting out as a player. I only know this from reading the Burnley forum when Coyle was first linked here and by the occassional look at the Rovers forum Nixon sometimes posts on!
why would Gartside have played any part at all in Coyle getting the Burnley job?
He recommended him to Kilby. Or so the story goes. But I think there was a lot more to it than that.

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Post by Tombwfc » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:02 pm

When you say 'I understand Nixon was one of the main reasons Coyle got the Burnley job', is the main source for that Nixon himself?

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Post by boltonboris » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:04 pm

Please can we start referring to Nixon as 'The Oracle' from now on?
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Tombwfc wrote:When you say 'I understand Nixon was one of the main reasons Coyle got the Burnley job', is the main source for that Nixon himself?
Brendan Flood who is a director at Burnley wrote an autobiography (I've not read it) but apparently its in there!

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/4280/38/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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What I don't get is what Coyle gains from leaking the negotiations to Nixon...

what does Coyle gain from telling Nixon any of this? or is Coyle just a blabber-mouth when drunk?

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thebish wrote:What I don't get is what Coyle gains from leaking the negotiations to Nixon...

what does Coyle gain from telling Nixon any of this? or is Coyle just a blabber-mouth when drunk?
All managers do it for various reasons, depending on the situation. Often to keep journo's sweet, give em a nice juicy story every so often then get a favourable opinion piece in the Sundays, Redknapp is great at this.

But also it lets them put stories out with their own slant. I imagine Coyle is happy with this, for example when he left Burnley and was being called all the names under the sun, guess who printed an article saying "Coyle can walk for free but is insisting that Bolton pay Burnley some compensation". Its all about image. You scratch my back I'll scratch yours.

And also a good way to give messages to players and fans.

The Elmander piece was very much along the lines of "he might go, but it'll be at our price and we're not that bothered anyways". Perhaps to prepare the supporters but more likely to get out the message to Elmanders agent that we're not going to break the bank to sign him!

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Post by Zulus Thousand of em » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:13 pm

thebish wrote:What I don't get is what Coyle gains from leaking the negotiations to Nixon...

what does Coyle gain from telling Nixon any of this? or is Coyle just a blabber-mouth when drunk?
Would that be the teetotal Owen Coyle, you know the one who manages Bolton Wanderers? Or another Coyle? We need to know. :roll:
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:16 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Tombwfc wrote:When you say 'I understand Nixon was one of the main reasons Coyle got the Burnley job', is the main source for that Nixon himself?
Brendan Flood who is a director at Burnley wrote an autobiography (I've not read it) but apparently its in there!
http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/4280/38/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In his recent book, Big Club, Small Town and Me, club director Brendan Flood says that it was Nixon who first suggested Coyle for the Burnley job with an unsolicited email.
I rather think the opinion of a Premier League chairman carried more weight than an irrelevant journalist who supports the local rivals. Otherwise I'd be sending David Gill unsolicited emails recommending Gary Megson...

As an aside, the bitter Burnley bugger who wrote predictably sour WSC piece that also said:
Bolton's website had a list of "50 Legends" and (Coyle's) name is conspicuous by its absence. The records show that he scored 12 League goals for them. By their own definition, Johan Elmander is five goals away from becoming a Bolton legend.
Quite aside from the incorrect conclusion – Coyle didn't make it with 12, why should Elmander? - it's worth noting that Elmo's sixth goal this season was at Wolves, and it's a while since I saw a Claret clip in a goal like that...

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Post by boltonboris » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:18 pm

People conveniently skim over the fact that he represented us during one of the most famous and exciting eras of this and many other football clubs
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:25 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Tombwfc wrote:When you say 'I understand Nixon was one of the main reasons Coyle got the Burnley job', is the main source for that Nixon himself?
Brendan Flood who is a director at Burnley wrote an autobiography (I've not read it) but apparently its in there!
http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/4280/38/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In his recent book, Big Club, Small Town and Me, club director Brendan Flood says that it was Nixon who first suggested Coyle for the Burnley job with an unsolicited email.
I rather think the opinion of a Premier League chairman carried more weight than an irrelevant journalist who supports the local rivals. Otherwise I'd be sending David Gill unsolicited emails recommending Gary Megson...

As an aside, the bitter Burnley bugger who wrote predictably sour WSC piece that also said:
Bolton's website had a list of "50 Legends" and (Coyle's) name is conspicuous by its absence. The records show that he scored 12 League goals for them. By their own definition, Johan Elmander is five goals away from becoming a Bolton legend.
Quite aside from the incorrect conclusion – Coyle didn't make it with 12, why should Elmander? - it's worth noting that Elmo's sixth goal this season was at Wolves, and it's a while since I saw a Claret clip in a goal like that...
I don't think he is a Rovers fan, he just posts on their board think he supports a Scottish team.

Thats if Gartside ever did really recommend Coyle, supposedly they hadn't spoken since Owen was a "player here" when he approached him for the Bolton job. Can't have been much of a recommendation.

As for taking the word of a journalist, that appears to be what Flood says they did, but of course they will have interviewed Coyle!

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