Wanderers v Hillbilly Banjo players

[Prufrock]

I think the point is he's always been a cock.

When he was here we could overlook that on the basis he did an amazing job. However, since he left in the way that he did, its hard to overlook the fact he's an arrogant cock who thinks he's up there with the Fergie's and the Mourinho's of this world but has actually won nothing as a manager.

He touted himself for the England job at a time when we were struggling for results, I remember driving back from Spurs after we'd just lost 1-0 (I think) and feeling pretty depressed as it had ended any chance we had of a UEFA cup place that year and we'd struggled for results, and up pops Sam on the radio, not talking about the game or how dissapointed he was or anything, but to talk about England and how he was the best for the job. Fooked me off that did, anyone with any class would have only talked about the game directly after it, sparing a thought for those fans who'd made the trip down.

And he was very unwilling to engage with fans at events etc.

And he called Bolton fans "ignorant and naive".

So for that reason as much as he'll be a legend here for what he did. He's still a cock.

And he still hasn't sued the BBC!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Not this again. Is it gonna be a twice yearly affair?

I can't resist highlightin gthese two bits though ^^

[Bruce Rioja]

What's the BBC obsession?

The fact shame was brought on the club by a one-eyed report on dodgy transfer dealings. Cue much "wasn't me guv" and threats to sue. No sue-age.

Which reminds me. Have we seen Pete Townsend's book yet?

[Burnden Cat]

Good (verging on great) manager for BWFC.

Not an overly intelligent man as evidenced by the utter lack of self-awareness that grew ever more evident during his increasingly successful tenure at Bolton. The 3rd person references have now given way to laughable claims about managing Real Madrid etc etc.

The truth - surrounded himself with good operators - Jack Chapman in particular. When he retired, it all went pear-shaped.

The saddest observation I have to offer about him is that the more he strangled the 'football' out of our team, the higher in the league we went. Okocha et al made way for physicality & pragmatism and we became (at least statistically) better. Now he seems hell-bent on taking that forward as if it's his identity/philosophy - shame.

[Lord Kangana]

If Allardyce got the big break when he could still be arsed, i don't think we'd be talking about him as we are now. i think that last year at the Wanderers damaged his outlook on the game, he regressed into his shell. In the couple of years up to 2006 he was a high-quality manager. Jose didn't play any better football at Chelsea at the time. I think Allardyce got his timings perfectly until the moment England pissed on his chips. He changed after that. And thats how we're judging him. At the height of his powers he deserved the big move..... by the time it came he was phoning it in. And he's never fully shaken that habit.

[Hoboh]

I think the point is he's always been a cock.

When he was here we could overlook that on the basis he did an amazing job. However, since he left in the way that he did, its hard to overlook the fact he's an arrogant cock who thinks he's up there with the Fergie's and the Mourinho's of this world but has actually won nothing as a manager. Ever heard of tongue-in-cheek? A big Tongue he has a lot of cheek
He touted himself for the England job at a time when we were struggling for results, I remember driving back from Spurs after we'd just lost 1-0 (I think) and feeling pretty depressed as it had ended any chance we had of a UEFA cup place that year and we'd struggled for results, and up pops Sam on the radio, not talking about the game or how dissapointed he was or anything, but to talk about England and how he was the best for the job. Fooked me off that did, anyone with any class would have only talked about the game directly after it, sparing a thought for those fans who'd made the trip down.

And he was very unwilling to engage with fans at events etc. would you? Coyle does
And he called Bolton fans "ignorant and naive". we are speak for yerself!!!
So for that reason as much as he'll be a legend here for what he did. He's still a cock. lots of people are Some more than others

And he still hasn't sued the BBC! let it drop Well he's not!!!

[Lofthouse Lower]

What's the BBC obsession?

The fact shame was brought on the club by a one-eyed report on dodgy transfer dealings. Cue much "wasn't me guv" and threats to sue. No sue-age.

Which reminds me. Have we seen Pete Townsend's book yet?

What a way to go

[CrazyHorse]

If Allardyce got the big break when he could still be arsed, i don't think we'd be talking about him as we are now. i think that last year at the Wanderers damaged his outlook on the game, he regressed into his shell. In the couple of years up to 2006 he was a high-quality manager. Jose didn't play any better football at Chelsea at the time. I think Allardyce got his timings perfectly until the moment England pissed on his chips. He changed after that. And thats how we're judging him. At the height of his powers he deserved the big move..... by the time it came he was phoning it in. And he's never fully shaken that habit.

Aye. Thing is, most Bolton fans wanted him to get that move; were right behind him saying he should get the England job.

Which is the biggest kick in the teeth of all because he shunned that support for him by sliming his way out of his ten year contract to take a break from football, then turns up twenty minutes later in Newcastle publicly felating Freddie Shepherd. He ends up with six million quid in his back pocket and a sacking on his CV and we get no compensation, Sammy Lee and Gerald bastard Cid.

So yeah, I hope he fails everywhere he goes-which he will do. He's a one-trick pony who hit his managerial ceiling at BWFC and that's not exactly something to shout about from the rooftops.

[BWFC_Insane]

If Allardyce got the big break when he could still be arsed, i don't think we'd be talking about him as we are now. i think that last year at the Wanderers damaged his outlook on the game, he regressed into his shell. In the couple of years up to 2006 he was a high-quality manager. Jose didn't play any better football at Chelsea at the time. I think Allardyce got his timings perfectly until the moment England pissed on his chips. He changed after that. And thats how we're judging him. At the height of his powers he deserved the big move..... by the time it came he was phoning it in. And he's never fully shaken that habit.

I think this is more or less right. He does have a massive chip on his shoulder and is very bitter.

One of the things that kind of irks me as well is that he forgets that at Bolton he had a chairman who backed him for that "big job" who even let him have his own personal soapbox campaign for half a season on club time, so as much as Garty said a few silly things when he'd left it doesn't wipe away the support he got here, which I'd say from fans and the chairman/board alike will be pretty much unparalleled anywhere.

But if he wants to know why he hasn't and likely will never be considered for the "big job" he may feel he deserved he only needs to look at his public image, which is poor, the perception of his "football" which is again poor (with some justification) and the fact he's never won anything.

He assembled a great team at Bolton with psychologists, technicians, medical experts, sports scientists, you name it the lot. Clever ideas that really in some senses formed the mould. On the other hand though he did not leave a legacy beyond past results and the team he built evaporated quicker than you could say "Okocha, Hierro, Campo". And interestingly quite significant parts of that backroom team that left when he did, did not follow him to Newcastle but went elsewhere. Perhaps that was on the cards even if he'd stayed with us.

[Lofthouse Lower]

He's doing a cracking job at Blackburn, mind, having taken them over and spent barely anything to drag them up into the top half of the Premier League within a couple of years.

Have a read of this article - bear in mind that the writer is shit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/ ... _he_d.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BWFC_Insane]

He's doing a cracking job at Blackburn, mind, having taken them over and spent barely anything to drag them up into the top half of the Premier League within a couple of years.

Have a read of this article - bear in mind that the writer is shit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/ ... _he_d.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He is doing well at Blackburn. Though a lot of their fans aren't exactly thrilled with him.

And there is potentially trouble brewing for him on the horizon there.

[Worthy4England]

He's doing a cracking job at Blackburn, mind, having taken them over and spent barely anything to drag them up into the top half of the Premier League within a couple of years.

Have a read of this article - bear in mind that the writer is shit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/ ... _he_d.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He is doing well at Blackburn. Though a lot of their fans aren't exactly thrilled with him.

And there is potentially trouble brewing for him on the horizon there.

There's been trouble brewing on the horizon with them since Allardyce was appointed. I'm sure if you keep saying it, that eventually it might come true.

And then you'll be able to say "Told you"..

75 matches at 1.32 ppg, isn't too shoddy, on bugger all transfer budget.

[Lofthouse Lower]

Doesn't suit BWFC Insane's agenda though, does that.

[jaffka]

yeah bwfci really does need to throw away his alladyce and todd voodoo dolls

[BWFC_Insane]

He's doing a cracking job at Blackburn, mind, having taken them over and spent barely anything to drag them up into the top half of the Premier League within a couple of years.

Have a read of this article - bear in mind that the writer is shit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/ ... _he_d.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He is doing well at Blackburn. Though a lot of their fans aren't exactly thrilled with him.

And there is potentially trouble brewing for him on the horizon there.

There's been trouble brewing on the horizon with them since Allardyce was appointed. I'm sure if you keep saying it, that eventually it might come true.

And then you'll be able to say "Told you"..

75 matches at 1.32 ppg, isn't too shoddy, on bugger all transfer budget.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... Venky___s/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... et-up.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/ ... ay-1308801" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Bl ... 45871.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... h_Kentaro/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[seanworth]

Why shouldn't he be concerned over the transfer budget since the team has just been bought, especially after his previous job, or previous two jobs for that matter. Also is it certain that a collision course is inevitable or is it possible the media building it up somewhat. Finally so what, and why do we even give a sh&t if some Blackburn fans are disgruntled. For Christ's sake they're Blackburn fans.

[Worthy4England]

He's doing a cracking job at Blackburn, mind, having taken them over and spent barely anything to drag them up into the top half of the Premier League within a couple of years.

Have a read of this article - bear in mind that the writer is shit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/ ... _he_d.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He is doing well at Blackburn. Though a lot of their fans aren't exactly thrilled with him.

And there is potentially trouble brewing for him on the horizon there.

There's been trouble brewing on the horizon with them since Allardyce was appointed. I'm sure if you keep saying it, that eventually it might come true.

And then you'll be able to say "Told you"..

75 matches at 1.32 ppg, isn't too shoddy, on bugger all transfer budget.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... Venky___s/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... et-up.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/ ... ay-1308801" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Bl ... 45871.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... h_Kentaro/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

None of which, alter the fact that you've been saying "it'll all go tits up" since he went there and waiting for the day that it does, so you can say "told you".

[BWFC_Insane]

He's doing a cracking job at Blackburn, mind, having taken them over and spent barely anything to drag them up into the top half of the Premier League within a couple of years.

Have a read of this article - bear in mind that the writer is shit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/ ... _he_d.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He is doing well at Blackburn. Though a lot of their fans aren't exactly thrilled with him.

And there is potentially trouble brewing for him on the horizon there.

There's been trouble brewing on the horizon with them since Allardyce was appointed. I'm sure if you keep saying it, that eventually it might come true.

And then you'll be able to say "Told you"..

75 matches at 1.32 ppg, isn't too shoddy, on bugger all transfer budget.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... Venky___s/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... et-up.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/ ... ay-1308801" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Bl ... 45871.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... h_Kentaro/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

None of which, alter the fact that you've been saying "it'll all go tits up" since he went there and waiting for the day that it does, so you can say "told you".

I don't ever recall saying it would "go tits up there". I recall saying Allardyce had lost his real zeal and drive and interest, since he realised he isn't likely ever going to be in a big job, but I always said he'd keep Blackburn out of trouble and do a decent job.

All I was pointing out was that potentially the new owners and Sam could well clash as has been documented in the media, as the owners use this "kentaro group" to advise on football matters such as who is bought and sold. Can't see Sam liking that sort of interference. Hence there could be trouble brewing for him longer term. And I'll add that should that happen they'll be rather silly to force Sam out or let him go because they won't get a manager who will keep them out of the relegation scrap as well as Allardyce will for them.

[Lofthouse Lower]

I'm starting to see a pattern emerge with Mr Insane. Let's see if it continues before it is revealed.

In the meantime, Supa John chips in

YOU simply can’t knock what Sam Allardyce did at Bolton – but it’s my view that Owen Coyle has already stepped out of the big man’s shadow.

Previous managers have struggled to lay his ghost to rest. Sammy Lee didn’t get close, and the Ginger Mourinho played the same sort of long ball stuff without any of the great results which Sam earned in his time at the Reebok.

That was always going to put Gary Megson under pressure, and it was even more so because of the lack of respect he showed the supporters at times.

Big Sam always respected the fans because he was brought up around them. But I don’t think I’m speaking out of turn by saying the relationship had started to deteriorate by the time he quit.

The fans were already feeling detached and had already started to drift away because the club were too “Premier League”.

Now, Wanderers have got a manager who knows what they want and who is earning respect in his own right.

It has brought them closer and you can see people slowly coming back. The style of football helps. But what would really cap it all off is beating one of Sam’s sides, which we haven’t managed since he walked out of the door.

In many ways, I think three points against Blackburn is a lot more important than it would have been against Manchester City.

We don’t expect to lose any more, so the result and the performance at Eastlands came as a bit of a shock.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm starting to see a pattern emerge with Mr Insane. Let's see if it continues before it is revealed.

In the meantime, Supa John chips in

YOU simply can’t knock what Sam Allardyce did at Bolton – but it’s my view that Owen Coyle has already stepped out of the big man’s shadow.

Previous managers have struggled to lay his ghost to rest. Sammy Lee didn’t get close, and the Ginger Mourinho played the same sort of long ball stuff without any of the great results which Sam earned in his time at the Reebok.

That was always going to put Gary Megson under pressure, and it was even more so because of the lack of respect he showed the supporters at times.

Big Sam always respected the fans because he was brought up around them. But I don’t think I’m speaking out of turn by saying the relationship had started to deteriorate by the time he quit.

The fans were already feeling detached and had already started to drift away because the club were too “Premier League”.

Now, Wanderers have got a manager who knows what they want and who is earning respect in his own right.

It has brought them closer and you can see people slowly coming back. The style of football helps. But what would really cap it all off is beating one of Sam’s sides, which we haven’t managed since he walked out of the door.

In many ways, I think three points against Blackburn is a lot more important than it would have been against Manchester City.

We don’t expect to lose any more, so the result and the performance at Eastlands came as a bit of a shock.

Think Super John is quite accurate here. Though I'm not sure the bit about being "too premier league" is accurate I think people just realised that we'd hit a glass ceiling and got a bit bored with the standard of football we played.

[Lofthouse Lower]

I think he's referring to the detachment that began with Sam and ended (probably) when the other tosser left - in terms of not feeling that this was the 'same' club that it used to be - something admitted by Gartside at those fan conference things.