The Trotters v The Potters

[Peter Thompson]

Dibble....I've actually been away for a while but you make a fair point. I accept that I don't post as often when we are doing well (although I do occasionally....), for me its a bit pointless posting well done, keep it going etc...that's why I don't tend to

But I go to most home games & the odd 1 or 2 away, and I enjoyed most games during the first half of the season (although I think we where very fortunate at times and I knew that we had over achieved - but enjoyed it at the time !) However, when we are struggling I try to offer 'my opinion' as to the reasons why and accept that most probably don't agree, because they are IMO either a little 'blinkered' or don't want to say anything to upset the masses.

I'm Bolton through & through but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything the club, manager or other fans say...life would be a tad dull if we all agreed with each other and had the same opinions, after all football is about individual opinions !

[Worthy4England]

However, when we are struggling I try to offer 'my opinion' as to the reasons why and accept that most probably don't agree, because they are IMO either a little 'blinkered' or don't want to say anything to upset the masses.

Mate - it's feck all to do with blinkered or upsetting the masses.

You posted drop Davo, Jussi, Taylor.

That would leave us playing Chelsea for 90 mins, with:

Bogdan,
Ricketts, Cahill, Knight, Robinson,
Mavies, Holden, Muamba, Petrov (?),
Elmander, Rodrigo (?)

That looks a bit fecking scary to me. It's alright trying to oust some of the oldies, but you've got to replace them with something better.

[Choppers]

Is Riga available?

[Peter Thompson]

However, when we are struggling I try to offer 'my opinion' as to the reasons why and accept that most probably don't agree, because they are IMO either a little 'blinkered' or don't want to say anything to upset the masses.

Mate - it's feck all to do with blinkered or upsetting the masses.

You posted drop Davo, Jussi, Taylor.

That would leave us playing Chelsea for 90 mins, with:

Bogdan,
Ricketts, Cahill, Knight, Robinson,
Mavies, Holden, Muamba, Petrov (?),
Elmander, Rodrigo (?)

That looks a bit fecking scary to me. It's alright trying to oust some of the oldies, but you've got to replace them with something better.

That's what transfer windows are there for....is it not ?

Why do we we have to play 4-4-2, why couldn't we play a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 with the same back four (although I'd bring Stiensson back) with Holden, Muamba & M Davies in the middle with Elmander upfront & Rodrigo & Petrov wide. Or if SWP joins on loan (although highly unlikely) why couldn't he replace M Davies in your 4-4-2.

I'll stick to what I said at this moment in time I'd drop Jussi, Taylor & KD to the bench and try something different (which doesn't involve M Davies wide right), again it is only my opinion - and we have over a week to bring 1 or 2 in even if only on loan.

[Worthy4England]

However, when we are struggling I try to offer 'my opinion' as to the reasons why and accept that most probably don't agree, because they are IMO either a little 'blinkered' or don't want to say anything to upset the masses.

Mate - it's feck all to do with blinkered or upsetting the masses.

You posted drop Davo, Jussi, Taylor.

That would leave us playing Chelsea for 90 mins, with:

Bogdan,
Ricketts, Cahill, Knight, Robinson,
Mavies, Holden, Muamba, Petrov (?),
Elmander, Rodrigo (?)

That looks a bit fecking scary to me. It's alright trying to oust some of the oldies, but you've got to replace them with something better.

That's what transfer windows are there for....is it not ?

Why do we we have to play 4-4-2, why couldn't we play a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 with the same back four (although I'd bring Stiensson back) with Holden, Muamba & M Davies in the middle with Elmander upfront & Rodrigo & Petrov wide. Or if SWP joins on loan (although highly unlikely) why couldn't he replace M Davies in your 4-4-2.

I'll stick to what I said at this moment in time I'd drop Jussi, Taylor & KD to the bench and try something different (which doesn't involve M Davies wide right), again it is only my opinion - and we have over a week to bring 1 or 2 in even if only on loan.

You're right. Transfer windows are for signing players in - thanks for pointing that out to me, I'd missed it until now. We'll replace Jussi, SKD and Taylor with this windows signings of. Oh, errr, wait a minute, we've not signed anyone yet. If we were to sign a forward (maybe Vela) I'm still not sure he'd be a shoe-in to replace Davo.

We don't have to play 4-4-2. That team looks even scarier as a 4-3-3. I might have been tempted to play 4-5-1 against Stoke away, but I'm not sure from the personnel we have who fits in wide right nor whether Mavies is good enough as attacking centre mid - that's before we get to Davo up front.

I'll stick to what I said - just now, I wouldn't make the changes you're on about.

At the minute, I have more problems with the way Knight, Robinson, Muamba and Mavies are playing to be honest. Way out in front of lets drop SKD and Jussi. Taylor, I think I'm not too fussed about one way or t'other at the moment. He adds defensively over Petrov but we lose attacking threat.

Like BWFCI, personally I'd be looking for CM and CD signings. We probably think this, because we don't want to upset the masses, rather than it's where we have obvious problems at the minute.

[officer_dibble]

Dibble....I've actually been away for a while but you make a fair point. I accept that I don't post as often when we are doing well (although I do occasionally....), for me its a bit pointless posting well done, keep it going etc...that's why I don't tend to

But I go to most home games & the odd 1 or 2 away, and I enjoyed most games during the first half of the season (although I think we where very fortunate at times and I knew that we had over achieved - but enjoyed it at the time !) However, when we are struggling I try to offer 'my opinion' as to the reasons why and accept that most probably don't agree, because they are IMO either a little 'blinkered' or don't want to say anything to upset the masses.

I'm Bolton through & through but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything the club, manager or other fans say...life would be a tad dull if we all agreed with each other and had the same opinions, after all football is about individual opinions !

Usually, when we win well, match threads run to a hell of a lot less than if we lose

But thats football

Same with fanzines - what do you fill it with when you are winning all the time, ergo they disappear! (only part of the story I know)

[FaninOz]

FIO
It's not a one view site, it's just no-one agrees with you. Wonder why?

No Coyle doesn't walk on water. There are things he does that I disagree with - bringing Steinsson in against WBA for Ricketts, failing to rotate our strike line dependant on opposition, his sometimes late use of subs (though little complaint on this recently)....though lets face it short of getting Jose Mourinhio we have the best manager available. He's the best we can get. I, along with most, didn't think Megson was the best we could get at the time but he did a reasonable job for a while before f*cking it up right royally. There are also things I think we need to sort as a team (our inability to beat a 'big 4' team when every other bugger can being one). I have confidence in Coyle to do that, and am convinced he will, given time, which most of us on here will, cos we are pleased with the entertainment on offer.

I think you are the same but you just need to learn to express your views a bit better. Why just because people don't like my phraseology

Oh and most people jump straight on you cos all you do is slate the fans when you are sat on your arse in Australia.
Same with PT, he made some reasonable points I thought, but he only seems to appear when we are beaten!

Not much point in continuing to make a contribution then I guess if my opinion and reasoning whilst sitting sunning myself in Australia are considered to be unsound, incorrect, unfounded, negative, without feeling and unwelcome.

So my parting comments are, that I can remember all Bolton Managers from Bill Ridding onwards, they all had good and bad points as does Coyle. My view is that he is inexperienced and it's starting to show, he has fantastic potential but has yet to prove that he has what it takes for the long haul when things are going bad for him and the team. I hope that he proves to be what a large number on here already believe that he is, only time will tell but I wont be here to enjoy that success or failure with you all.

So you can have your ball and continue to play with yourselves, as you don't seem to like people to express an alternative view without abusing them, whilst I continue my almost 60 years of supporting Bolton in splendid isolation.

[thebish]

Not much point in continuing to make a contribution then I guess if my opinion and reasoning whilst sitting sunning myself in Australia are considered to be unsound, incorrect, unfounded, negative, without feeling and unwelcome.

that's entirely up to you...

So my parting comments are, that I can remember all Bolton Managers from Bill Ridding onwards, they all had good and bad points as does Coyle.

i don't think anyone disagrees with you that managers have good and bad points - that's what's called a tactic of distracion from the actual point - a straw man - it's a nice way of distracting attention from the things people DO actually disagree with you about - and for which you appear to have no answer - preferring to hide behind a persecution defense...

So you can have your ball and continue to play with yourselves, as you don't seem to like people to express an alternative view without abusing them, whilst I continue my almost 60 years of supporting Bolton in splendid isolation.

again - entirely up to you - but again - classic straw man. this is a forum where debate happens - if you offer a view - as you do - then part of the deal is that you have to accept that it will be discussed and debated. this is also a football forum - and you might reasonably expect that some of that debate/discussion will happen with hyperbole and some robust posturing... the mods effectively prevent the extremes - that's how it is.

enjoy your splendid isolation, tho, you are always welcome to post when you have summat to say.

[BWFC_Insane]

FIO
It's not a one view site, it's just no-one agrees with you. Wonder why?

No Coyle doesn't walk on water. There are things he does that I disagree with - bringing Steinsson in against WBA for Ricketts, failing to rotate our strike line dependant on opposition, his sometimes late use of subs (though little complaint on this recently)....though lets face it short of getting Jose Mourinhio we have the best manager available. He's the best we can get. I, along with most, didn't think Megson was the best we could get at the time but he did a reasonable job for a while before f*cking it up right royally. There are also things I think we need to sort as a team (our inability to beat a 'big 4' team when every other bugger can being one). I have confidence in Coyle to do that, and am convinced he will, given time, which most of us on here will, cos we are pleased with the entertainment on offer.

I think you are the same but you just need to learn to express your views a bit better. Why just because people don't like my phraseology

Oh and most people jump straight on you cos all you do is slate the fans when you are sat on your arse in Australia.
Same with PT, he made some reasonable points I thought, but he only seems to appear when we are beaten!

Not much point in continuing to make a contribution then I guess if my opinion and reasoning whilst sitting sunning myself in Australia are considered to be unsound, incorrect, unfounded, negative, without feeling and unwelcome.

So my parting comments are, that I can remember all Bolton Managers from Bill Ridding onwards, they all had good and bad points as does Coyle. My view is that he is inexperienced and it's starting to show, he has fantastic potential but has yet to prove that he has what it takes for the long haul when things are going bad for him and the team. I hope that he proves to be what a large number on here already believe that he is, only time will tell but I wont be here to enjoy that success or failure with you all.

So you can have your ball and continue to play with yourselves, as you don't seem to like people to express an alternative view without abusing them, whilst I continue my almost 60 years of supporting Bolton in splendid isolation.

FIO the issue that exists here is that you're trying to suggest that Coyle is at fault for a congested and away heavy fixture list we're currently experiencing. Which manager do you think would have done significantly better with the players we have against Liverpool, Chelsea, Stoke, Sunderland all on their own patches?

The issue is that when a manager has a few defeats and a team goes through a "sticky patch" is that the manager has "LOST IT" or "BEEN FOUND OUT" its just classic reactionary bullshit.

All a manager can do is keep the spirit, keep the lads together, manage their workload and do his best to get results outta them. And of course do well in the market. Coyle isn't vastly experienced but we're going through the same slump we've experienced around abouts the same time every fooking year under 3 different managers at a time of year when small squads get stretched and those with fewer resources struggle.

Perhaps just perhaps there is little Coyle or any other manager can do about it at a club like ours.

And lets remember how we came out of these slumps in the past. It wasn't replacing half the time, chucking out the old boys or making wholesale changes to the playing staff. It was plugging away with what we had, maybe a couple of decent additions, but basically it was keeping the faith and seeing it out.

[getraw]

We need a different plan when playing away from home. I'd put 5 in midfield, we just look too open sometimes, especially away from home.

[thebish]

We need a different plan when playing away from home. I'd put 5 in midfield, we just look too open sometimes, especially away from home.

yeah - but what about when we are away from home?

[getraw]

that would be away from home

[RobbieSavagesLeg]

Results have gone our way today, draws all round. Still in 7th!


Woo

[seanworth]

So all we have to do next week is beat Chelsea and will be able to hold on to that position for another week.

[RobbieSavagesLeg]

So all we have to do next week is beat Chelsea and will be able to hold on to that position for another week.

True, but I'd rather go through my week knowing we're in 7th come-what-may, not any lower.
Guess you're a glass three-quarters empty kinda chap?

[seanworth]

So all we have to do next week is beat Chelsea and will be able to hold on to that position for another week.

True, but I'd rather go through my week knowing we're in 7th come-what-may, not any lower.
Guess you're a glass three-quarters empty kinda chap?

Guess that was missing for you.

[TANGODANCER]

So all we have to do next week is beat Chelsea and will be able to hold on to that position for another week.

Make "Do it for Nat" the rallying cry.

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

So all we have to do next week is beat Chelsea and will be able to hold on to that position for another week.

Make "Do it for Nat" the rallying cry.

If I could, "Do It For Nat" should be a message resounding around the Reebok throughout the rest of the season. Particularly in the FA Cup.

[CrazyHorse]

Not much point in continuing to make a contribution then I guess if my opinion and reasoning whilst sitting sunning myself in Australia are considered to be unsound, incorrect, unfounded, negative, without feeling and unwelcome.

So my parting comments are, that I can remember all Bolton Managers from Bill Ridding onwards, they all had good and bad points as does Coyle. My view is that he is inexperienced and it's starting to show, he has fantastic potential but has yet to prove that he has what it takes for the long haul when things are going bad for him and the team. I hope that he proves to be what a large number on here already believe that he is, only time will tell but I wont be here to enjoy that success or failure with you all.

So you can have your ball and continue to play with yourselves, as you don't seem to like people to express an alternative view without abusing them, whilst I continue my almost 60 years of supporting Bolton in splendid isolation.

Get a grip. Ya big tart. One thing 60 years of supporting Bolton should give you is a thick skin.

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Calm down and read the match report you lot!!