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[truewhite15]

We might even sign somebody who gets in the first team

Well lets hope so eh?

I do think this summer is the big defining moment for Coyle.

We're going to lose some talent in Cahill, possibly Elmander and Sturridge as well. He needs to show how he plans to replace it and how he'll spend money here.

He's shown that in terms of loanees he can work the market.

But his permanent deals, Holden aside haven't been that impressive so far. Get it right this summer and we'll be laughing but if it goes wrong, well could be a tough season next time round.

You do realise you've typed that exact same point about 10 dozen times, right?

In all seriousness, Coyle's permanent signings have been generally good.

Holden - one of the best freebies the Reebok has ever seen.

Alonso - only 20 years old, has time to grow, and especially against West Ham, has performed admirably.

Petrov - for me, the only disappointment. He's been good sometimes, average most of the time, and woeful the rest. But he was still worth the risk; who would have thought he'd have turned out so disappointingly when we signed him? I certainly didn't

Wheater - a good signing. Young, English, very good CB cover, and according to many, ready to oust the more experienced Knight.

I cannot for the life of me what's been so unimpressive about his permanent signings, unless you're referring to the lack of numbers?

[Lofthouse Lower]

He's referring to Alonso not immediately being the new Ashley Cole

[truewhite15]

He's referring to Alonso not immediately being the new Ashley Cole

Oh, is that what he was expecting when we signed Marcos? BWFC_i's constant misery is further explained...

[Lofthouse Lower]

I don't think it's misery on a surface level, I think it's just a deep and ingrained maudlin streak. No patience.

[BWFC_Insane]

We might even sign somebody who gets in the first team

Well lets hope so eh?

I do think this summer is the big defining moment for Coyle.

We're going to lose some talent in Cahill, possibly Elmander and Sturridge as well. He needs to show how he plans to replace it and how he'll spend money here.

He's shown that in terms of loanees he can work the market.

But his permanent deals, Holden aside haven't been that impressive so far. Get it right this summer and we'll be laughing but if it goes wrong, well could be a tough season next time round.

You do realise you've typed that exact same point about 10 dozen times, right?

In all seriousness, Coyle's permanent signings have been generally good.

Holden - one of the best freebies the Reebok has ever seen.

Alonso - only 20 years old, has time to grow, and especially against West Ham, has performed admirably.

Petrov - for me, the only disappointment. He's been good sometimes, average most of the time, and woeful the rest. But he was still worth the risk; who would have thought he'd have turned out so disappointingly when we signed him? I certainly didn't

Wheater - a good signing. Young, English, very good CB cover, and according to many, ready to oust the more experienced Knight.

I cannot for the life of me what's been so unimpressive about his permanent signings, unless you're referring to the lack of numbers?

You missed Klasnic out.

What I'm saying is that in the 5 permanent deals Coyle has done so far only 1 is a first team regular the other who has been in and out, has generally been woeful and was dropped on Sunday.

I've no issue with Wheater but Coyle hasn't seen fit to leave him in ahead of Knight. Alls I'm saying is that this summer Coyle will need to sign some players good enough to actually replace the likes of Cahill, Elmander and Sturridge if they go and ideally to perhaps oust/improve upon some of the ones we've got playing. That is generally how you progress. I'm not doubting that he will.

Alls I'm saying is that there is a job to do and he needs to pick wisely, which I'm sure he will.

It does make me laugh though that there are certain posters who were last close season extolling the virtues of "putting the entire squad up for sale" and "totally rebuilding with new players" seem to have changed their tune.

Anyways I've no doubt it'll be an interesting summer.

[truewhite15]

We might even sign somebody who gets in the first team

Well lets hope so eh?

I do think this summer is the big defining moment for Coyle.

We're going to lose some talent in Cahill, possibly Elmander and Sturridge as well. He needs to show how he plans to replace it and how he'll spend money here.

He's shown that in terms of loanees he can work the market.

But his permanent deals, Holden aside haven't been that impressive so far. Get it right this summer and we'll be laughing but if it goes wrong, well could be a tough season next time round.

You do realise you've typed that exact same point about 10 dozen times, right?

In all seriousness, Coyle's permanent signings have been generally good.

Holden - one of the best freebies the Reebok has ever seen.

Alonso - only 20 years old, has time to grow, and especially against West Ham, has performed admirably.

Petrov - for me, the only disappointment. He's been good sometimes, average most of the time, and woeful the rest. But he was still worth the risk; who would have thought he'd have turned out so disappointingly when we signed him? I certainly didn't

Wheater - a good signing. Young, English, very good CB cover, and according to many, ready to oust the more experienced Knight.

I cannot for the life of me what's been so unimpressive about his permanent signings, unless you're referring to the lack of numbers?

You missed Klasnic out.

What I'm saying is that in the 5 permanent deals Coyle has done so far only 1 is a first team regular the other who has been in and out, has generally been woeful and was dropped on Sunday.

I've no issue with Wheater but Coyle hasn't seen fit to leave him in ahead of Knight. Alls I'm saying is that this summer Coyle will need to sign some players good enough to actually replace the likes of Cahill, Elmander and Sturridge if they go and ideally to perhaps oust/improve upon some of the ones we've got playing. That is generally how you progress. I'm not doubting that he will.

Alls I'm saying is that there is a job to do and he needs to pick wisely, which I'm sure he will.

It does make me laugh though that there are certain posters who were last close season extolling the virtues of "putting the entire squad up for sale" and "totally rebuilding with new players" seem to have changed their tune.

Anyways I've no doubt it'll be an interesting summer.

I'd actually contest that earlier in the thread, you mentioned "original Coyle signings", and Klasnic was originally signed (albeit on loan) by yon Ginger Gardener.

And if Coyle didn't think that the first team needed overhauling, then why is it an issue when "only one of his signings is a first team regular"? Petrov hasn't been "generally poor" either. He's been in and out of the team, yes, but when we've got two average left midfielders, what do you expect? It wasn't a mistake to sign Petrov - we needed the cover, he was free, experienced, and by all accounts, supposed to be one of the signings of the summer. Coyle couldn't have known that he wouldn't quite turn out as magical as we all expected. And as for Wheater, he was signed AS cover, and AS competition, not to come in and overhaul a central defensive partnership that hadn't been doing too badly.

[boltonboris]

So what you're saying is Coyle's buys haven't been as good as the £40 odd million's worth of players that the last gaffer almost bankrupted us buying?

No shit, sherlock

[BWFC_Insane]

So what you're saying is Coyle's buys haven't been as good as the £40 odd million's worth of players that the last gaffer almost bankrupted us buying?

No shit, sherlock

Bankrupting us? Really? Quick someone tell Eddie Davies!

[TANGODANCER]

So what you're saying is Coyle's buys haven't been as good as the £40 odd million's worth of players that the last gaffer almost bankrupted us buying?

No shit, sherlock

Bankrupting us? Really? Quick someone tell Eddie Davies!

Don't think that's quite the best reply right now BW.

[boltonboris]

So what you're saying is Coyle's buys haven't been as good as the £40 odd million's worth of players that the last gaffer almost bankrupted us buying?

No shit, sherlock

Bankrupting us? Really? Quick someone tell Eddie Davies!

If we'd have gone down (which I think we would) aye....

The simlpe fact is, is if you give somebody more money than you can realistically afford and let him sign a dozen players. Then you tell the next bloke that he can sign a dozen players with a 3rd of the budget. Which set of players do you think will be better?

[Worthy4England]

So what you're saying is Coyle's buys haven't been as good as the £40 odd million's worth of players that the last gaffer almost bankrupted us buying?

No shit, sherlock

Bankrupting us? Really? Quick someone tell Eddie Davies!

If we'd have gone down (which I think we would) aye....

The simlpe fact is, is if you give somebody more money than you can realistically afford and let him sign a dozen players. Then you tell the next bloke that he can sign a dozen players with a 3rd of the budget. Which set of players do you think will be better?

Whether anyone needs to tell ED is bollocks one way or t'other.

Fact is, last person in charge spent shitloads of money. This person in charge hasn't.

Whether that's because the money isn't there (in the tens of millions it was for the previous incumbent), or Coyle is going all Wengeresque on us, I guess time will tell.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Uh-oh. Creeping ever closer to the old Megson pro/anti arguments.

For all his balloon-pricking, BWFCi isn't wrong: if Coyle signings were on some kind of hindsight-helped Juke Box Jury they wouldn't all get the ding rather the duck noise. And he's very right that this is a big summer for the manager, with more fiscal elbow-room to bring in his own "types".

Worth noting, as an aside, that Coyle's probably going to earn some of that elbow-room by getting the incumbent squad to finish in a higher position than his predecessor managed. Last season it went up to £800,000 per place, so getting us to finish eighth rather than 14th would rake in an extra £4.8m. Good luck to him.

[BWFC_Insane]

So what you're saying is Coyle's buys haven't been as good as the £40 odd million's worth of players that the last gaffer almost bankrupted us buying?

No shit, sherlock

Bankrupting us? Really? Quick someone tell Eddie Davies!

If we'd have gone down (which I think we would) aye....

The simlpe fact is, is if you give somebody more money than you can realistically afford and let him sign a dozen players. Then you tell the next bloke that he can sign a dozen players with a 3rd of the budget. Which set of players do you think will be better?

Hang on a minute. If we use the 40M figure and take off.....

15M for Anelka
4.5M for Nolan
2.5M for Diouf

Thats what about 18M over 3 seasons? 6M a season?

Perhaps a little more than we could normally afford but its hardly like we went splurging. Coyle spent what so far about 5-6M on fees? Probably fair bit more on loan fees on top.

Assuming we get decent money for Cahill, will be interesting to see how much Coyle gets, but I'd hope it'll be 6M maybe a little more.

[Tombwfc]

Coyle has obviously not had the level of funds available to him as previous managers.

However whatever money he gets to spend this summer, I think he could do better than spend the largest chunk (though I would guess Petrov cost about the same, all things considered) of it on a reserve left-back, deemed to be so inferior to the (pub-standard) incumbent, that we went to such drastic measures in the lead up to the Cup semi.

I'm sure Alonso will prove to be decent given time, but it was an odd way to utilise a small budget while working with a small squad.

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On another note, we could probably do with looking for a midfielder who can score goals. Tamir Cohen hasn't played all season and yet he now sits on the same amount of goals as Muamba, Taylor and Mark Davies, one behind Stuart Holden and just two behind Petrov and Chung Yong Lee. Pratley?

I wonder if this is the first season since we returned to the Premier League, where we've had strikers who score the goals instead of the midfield?

[TANGODANCER]

It's all such a weary argument keep back-tracking to GM. Coyle's in, he'll be judged on what he achieves and, right now, that isn't looking bad at all. He's got players in the side who are targets for the big time, Cahill, Elmander, Holden etc, young and promising ones like Alonso and Roderigo and a good-looking supply of younger lads in the reserves.

[Beefheart]

Coyle has obviously not had the level of funds available to him as previous managers.

However whatever money he gets to spend this summer, I think he could do better than spend the largest chunk (though I would guess Petrov cost about the same, all things considered) of it on a reserve left-back, deemed to be so inferior to the (pub-standard) incumbent, that we went to such drastic measures in the lead up to the Cup semi.

I'm sure Alonso will prove to be decent given time, but it was an odd way to utilise a small budget while working with a small squad.

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On another note, we could probably do with looking for a midfielder who can score goals. Tamir Cohen hasn't played all season and yet he now sits on the same amount of goals as Muamba, Taylor and Mark Davies, one behind Stuart Holden and just two behind Petrov and Chung Yong Lee. Pratley?

I wonder if this is the first season since we returned to the Premier League, where we've had strikers who score the goals instead of the midfield?

While none of our midfielders have scored all that many goals, I think theres a stat out there that we've had the highest number of different goalscorers in the premier league this year (Cohen adding to that figure). Im not certain of the exact figures, but I'd have a feeling this has been a good season in terms of goals scored compared to previous ones.

[boltonboris]

So what you're saying is Coyle's buys haven't been as good as the £40 odd million's worth of players that the last gaffer almost bankrupted us buying?

No shit, sherlock

Bankrupting us? Really? Quick someone tell Eddie Davies!

If we'd have gone down (which I think we would) aye....

The simlpe fact is, is if you give somebody more money than you can realistically afford and let him sign a dozen players. Then you tell the next bloke that he can sign a dozen players with a 3rd of the budget. Which set of players do you think will be better?

Hang on a minute. If we use the 40M figure and take off.....

15M for Anelka
4.5M for Nolan
2.5M for Diouf

Thats what about 18M over 3 seasons? 6M a season?

Perhaps a little more than we could normally afford but its hardly like we went splurging. Coyle spent what so far about 5-6M on fees? Probably fair bit more on loan fees on top.

Assuming we get decent money for Cahill, will be interesting to see how much Coyle gets, but I'd hope it'll be 6M maybe a little more.

I'm not talking About NetSpend TM...

What I'm saying is that Coyle has spent less (on average per player) than Megson did.. So it can't be fair to criticise Coyle for not brining in the same calibre of personnel.

[Tombwfc]

Coyle has obviously not had the level of funds available to him as previous managers.

However whatever money he gets to spend this summer, I think he could do better than spend the largest chunk (though I would guess Petrov cost about the same, all things considered) of it on a reserve left-back, deemed to be so inferior to the (pub-standard) incumbent, that we went to such drastic measures in the lead up to the Cup semi.

I'm sure Alonso will prove to be decent given time, but it was an odd way to utilise a small budget while working with a small squad.

------

On another note, we could probably do with looking for a midfielder who can score goals. Tamir Cohen hasn't played all season and yet he now sits on the same amount of goals as Muamba, Taylor and Mark Davies, one behind Stuart Holden and just two behind Petrov and Chung Yong Lee. Pratley?

I wonder if this is the first season since we returned to the Premier League, where we've had strikers who score the goals instead of the midfield?

While none of our midfielders have scored all that many goals, I think theres a stat out there that we've had the highest number of different goalscorers in the premier league this year (Cohen adding to that figure). Im not certain of the exact figures, but I'd have a feeling this has been a good season in terms of goals scored compared to previous ones.

I would assume we have done better scoring goals generally, but exactly half of our league goals (24 out of 48) have come from Elmander, Sturridge and Kevin Davies. Two of those are unlikely to be here next season, the other will be turning 35 (and has relied pretty heavily on us seemingly getting an above average number of penalties).

It's very spread out from there, but it's a fair few goals for us to make up next season. Taylor has proven he's got more in him, and you could probably get a couple more from Lee and Petrov. The three main central midfielders are currently on a combined 4 goals in 83 appearances this season, and haven't really looked like adding many more.

[thebish]

While none of our midfielders have scored all that many goals, I think theres a stat out there that we've had the highest number of different goalscorers in the premier league this year (Cohen adding to that figure). Im not certain of the exact figures, but I'd have a feeling this has been a good season in terms of goals scored compared to previous ones.

that can't be right - surely?? I'd be gobsmacked if that was anywhere close to being true. Arsenal must have more goalscorers than us for instance....

[Riviman]

While none of our midfielders have scored all that many goals, I think theres a stat out there that we've had the highest number of different goalscorers in the premier league this year (Cohen adding to that figure). Im not certain of the exact figures, but I'd have a feeling this has been a good season in terms of goals scored compared to previous ones.

that can't be right - surely?? I'd be gobsmacked if that was anywhere close to being true. Arsenal must have more goalscorers than us for instance....

Quick count, may have missed odd one, but I think we've had 16 different scorers, not including own goals by the opposition.