Muamba can't dance, Steinsson couldn't hit a cows arse

[Tombwfc]

No-one was saying he literally cannot move a football to one of his team-mates. However it still stands that the vast majority of fairly mobile played football a bit when they were younger people on this forum could get 73% success rate if all they did was drop into space from midfield get it off the full back and give it him back. Muamba's problem is whenever he tries anything more than that. Overall pass completion proves absolutely fook all, otherwise I reckon I'd be able to make a decent case for Victor Valdes' passing being at a similar level to Chungy's. In order for it to mean anything you'd need stats for when under pressure, or in the opposition half when anyone with eyes can see Fabrice falls to pieces. I'm not saying he is a shit footballer, he is a monstrous athlete, decent brain and really aware positionally, apart from a bad habit of showing midfielders running sideways forwards instead of back, but he is plainly wank at any vaguely constructive passing.

I don't see you complaining about our central midfield player who definitely does have passing in his job description, being unable to pass simple sideways 6 yard balls without falling over, misplacing or over/under hitting the ball.

[Prufrock]

Haha. Fair enough. BWFCi in hyperbolic shocker .

[officer_dibble]

Those stats Don't read well for SKD...

[Tombwfc]

I didn't think they read well for Matty Taylor until I saw that in 28 games Martin Petrov made 1 block and 3 clearances. Lazy, lazy bastard.

[Wandering Willy]

Those stats Don't read well for SKD...

The myth that he gets a bunch of assists instead of scoring is finally laid to rest.

[TANGODANCER]

Those stats Don't read well for SKD...

The myth that he gets a bunch of assists instead of scoring is finally laid to rest.

935 successful passes and just 4 assists? I'll give the shit-plaiting machine a quick service just in case that's wrong.

[Wandering Willy]

Those stats Don't read well for SKD...

The myth that he gets a bunch of assists instead of scoring is finally laid to rest.

935 successful passes and just 4 assists? I'll give the shit-plaiting machine a quick service just in case that's wrong.

[chaddy_bwfc]

Those stats Don't read well for SKD...

The myth that he gets a bunch of assists instead of scoring is finally laid to rest.

the stats on the premier league website which are done by opta, say he has 6 assists, also has CYL 8 assists compared to this which has given him 5. These stats have also given SKD away 132 free kicks, opta say 115. These stats seem a wee bit off...

[CAPSLOCK]

Opta must include his assist for Chelseas third....

[Worthy4England]

Those stats Don't read well for SKD...

The myth that he gets a bunch of assists instead of scoring is finally laid to rest.

the stats on the premier league website which are done by opta, say he has 6 assists, also has CYL 8 assists compared to this which has given him 5. These stats have also given SKD away 132 free kicks, opta say 115. These stats seem a wee bit off...

Yes I spotted that too. The offish site, has them on 6 and 8 too - which is no big surprise as the offish site takes them from the Prem who take them from Opta...

The conunderum is that the Guardian Chalkboards (from which the data has been extracted) comes from Opta too...

[Horza]

SKD's stats aren't that bad, forwards are always more heavily marked than anyone else. Overall he's still quite handy.

[Wandering Willy]

SKD's stats aren't that bad, forwards are always more heavily marked than anyone else. Overall he's still quite handy.

They appear to be worse than Elmo's who was regaled by some as shite. I suspect a new signing producing those stats would be slagged off.

Living on past glories?

[BWFC_Insane]

SKD's stats aren't that bad, forwards are always more heavily marked than anyone else. Overall he's still quite handy.

They appear to be worse than Elmo's who was regailed by some as shite. I suspect a new signing producing those stats would be slagged off.

Living on past glories?

Nail on head.

Depending upon who we sign this summer next season could well be the time when a few on here wake up and smell the coffee in regards to Kevin Davies. If Coyle doesn't pull a rabbit out of a hat and find a Sturridge or even someone with the running and workrate of Elmander (in reality both) Kevin Davies will have to a) do some of that running and b) score some of those goals to earn the large salary he will be on.

He has been superb for us in the past but the last season especially the second half, for me he was generally very poor. If as is likely we don't have quite as good a partner for him next year the heat will be on IMO!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

The conunderum is that the Guardian Chalkboards (from which the data has been extracted) comes from Opta too...

C'mon, Worthy. Conundrum's a nine-letter word...

[Worthy4England]

The conunderum is that the Guardian Chalkboards (from which the data has been extracted) comes from Opta too...

C'mon, Worthy. Conundrum's a nine-letter word...

Bugger!

I looked at the word more than once, and told myself something didn't look quite right.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

The conunderum is that the Guardian Chalkboards (from which the data has been extracted) comes from Opta too...

C'mon, Worthy. Conundrum's a nine-letter word...

Bugger!

I looked at the word more than once, and told myself something didn't look quite right.

You'll not forget it again, with that mnemonic (which is an eight-letter word)

[TANGODANCER]

Nail on head.

Depending upon who we sign this summer next season could well be the time when a few on here wake up and smell the coffee in regards to Kevin Davies. If Coyle doesn't pull a rabbit out of a hat and find a Sturridge or even someone with the running and workrate of Elmander (in reality both) Kevin Davies will have to a) do some of that running and b) score some of those goals to earn the large salary he will be on.

He has been superb for us in the past but the last season especially the second half, for me he was generally very poor. If as is likely we don't have quite as good a partner for him next year the heat will be on IMO!

Allowing for your obvious dislike of Davies, that "large" salary is a la Bolton standards, not Chelsea, City, Arsenal etc. That's because we aren't those clubs and that salary doesn't look quite so large in comparison. He's no Drogba, Anelka,( who stated he really enjoyed playing alongside Davies) Rooney etc, age regarless, and never has been. That said, he does score some goals each season, he's there every week come what may, and we did finish just three points away from eigth position, (mainly because of a striker who was never going to stay here). (What would his salary be if he did?)

If you really see some wonder boy coming in to replace KD and us being top four candidates based on it you're dreaming. Think it's you who should smell the coffee and realise that it's the team that needs to improve as a whole. Davies is near the end of his career but it's never been his fault we aren't the Bitish Barcelona, we're ninety million in debt Bolton Wanderers. That's what the coffee should be smelled about. At least we seem to have a manager who realises that and does his best around it.

Stands by for blasting.

[Worthy4England]

Nail on head.

Depending upon who we sign this summer next season could well be the time when a few on here wake up and smell the coffee in regards to Kevin Davies. If Coyle doesn't pull a rabbit out of a hat and find a Sturridge or even someone with the running and workrate of Elmander (in reality both) Kevin Davies will have to a) do some of that running and b) score some of those goals to earn the large salary he will be on.

He has been superb for us in the past but the last season especially the second half, for me he was generally very poor. If as is likely we don't have quite as good a partner for him next year the heat will be on IMO!

Allowing for your obvious dislike of Davies, that "large" salary is a la Bolton standards, not Chelsea, City, Arsenal etc. That's because we aren't those clubs and that salary doesn't look quite so large in comparison. He's no Drogba, Anelka,( who stated he really enjoyed playing alongside Davies) Rooney etc, age regarless, and never has been. That said, he does score some goals each season, he's there every week come what may, and we did finish just three points away from eigth position, (mainly because of a striker who was never going to stay here). (What would his salary be if he did?)

If you really see some wonder boy coming in to replace KD and us being top four candidates based on it you're dreaming. Think it's you who should smell the coffee and realise that it's the team that needs to improve as a whole. Davies is near the end of his career but it's never been his fault we aren't the Bitish Barcelona, we're ninety million in debt Bolton Wanderers. That's what the coffee should be smelled about. At least we seem to have a manager who realises that and does his best around it.

Stands by for blasting.

TD, I think if you were to look back over BWFCI's posts, you'd probably find that he doesn't have a "dislike" for Davies. In fact if I recall correctly, he's been one of KD's more ardent supporters.

You are allowing the fact that someone suggested SKD might be nearing the end of his career to colour your judgement. As you often do.

You don't half talk some bollocks where SKD is concerned. A more one-eyed view, you'd have to travel some distance to find. (Well maybe as far as LL to ask him about Steinsson/Muamba/Elmander/Taylor/Nolan/ etc. etc. ...)

[BWFC_Insane]

Nail on head.

Depending upon who we sign this summer next season could well be the time when a few on here wake up and smell the coffee in regards to Kevin Davies. If Coyle doesn't pull a rabbit out of a hat and find a Sturridge or even someone with the running and workrate of Elmander (in reality both) Kevin Davies will have to a) do some of that running and b) score some of those goals to earn the large salary he will be on.

He has been superb for us in the past but the last season especially the second half, for me he was generally very poor. If as is likely we don't have quite as good a partner for him next year the heat will be on IMO!

Allowing for your obvious dislike of Davies, that "large" salary is a la Bolton standards, not Chelsea, City, Arsenal etc. That's because we aren't those clubs and that salary doesn't look quite so large in comparison. He's no Drogba, Anelka,( who stated he really enjoyed playing alongside Davies) Rooney etc, age regarless, and never has been. That said, he does score some goals each season, he's there every week come what may, and we did finish just three points away from eigth position, (mainly because of a striker who was never going to stay here). (What would his salary be if he did?)

If you really see some wonder boy coming in to replace KD and us being top four candidates based on it you're dreaming. Think it's you who should smell the coffee and realise that it's the team that needs to improve as a whole. Davies is near the end of his career but it's never been his fault we aren't the Bitish Barcelona, we're ninety million in debt Bolton Wanderers. That's what the coffee should be smelled about. At least we seem to have a manager who realises that and does his best around it.

Stands by for blasting.

Thats a classic case of quoting something entirely different to what I said. If you look back I've been a massive Kevin Davies fan over the years. Had many an argument defending him. Many an argument. My criticism has been mainly the past couple of seasons and specifically the back end of this season where he was poor and considering he was captain failed to produce performances at times when we needed one. Whether this is age, motivation or whatever it still remains the case.

He didn't score enough goals last season. Take Elmander and Sturridge out and we'd have not scored enough goals to stay up. Now Elmander and Sturridge will surely be replaced. My point being is that if they are replaced by players who are of a lesser standard there will be more pressure on Kevin Davies to score some goals, given he is one of our top earners. And rightly so. There won't be as many players to hide behind in the goalscoring department.

Saying we're "90M in debt Bolton Wanderers" not Barcelona is also totally meaningless. At what point do I expect anything remotely close to Barcelona? I expect Davies considering his salary and how some rave about him to be able to at the least match Elmanders tally of 12 goals (and I'll be generous and include the penalties he takes in that too, even though Elmander didn't have that chance) seeing as we all know Elmander was shite. So thats got to be a minimum for one of our highly praised top earners and captain. If he can't get to that level, then I really think its impossible to not ask questions of him. Especially as he has the same amount of assists as Elmander had. He needs to contribute a lot more next season otherwise unless Coyle digs a gem out of somewhere we could be in big trouble. I don't think thats in much doubt either. I don't think its unreasonable to ask Davies to pitch in with more goals. After all he gets the same service as everyone else!

[TANGODANCER]

Not so Worthy. My judgement is just opinionism and I already accepted ( and stated) KD will come to his career end somewhere shortly. I just try to keep a reality view on who we are and sometimes laugh at the criticism of a guy who's expected to be a one-man army when most of his mates are usually in the other half of the pitch. I'm happy to wait a season or so and see how we do when he isn't there. That's usually when folk start saying how much we miss him now he's gone.