TKIZ's impossibly brilliant all new Transfer Rumours thread

[jmjhb]

I doubt were getting this barca kid I can't believe he will pick us over some Spain and Italian teams! I ain't fussed really as the only thing I see as good is that he comes from barca and so did rodrigo and although he didn't look that bad he won't overly impressive! Plus £5mill is alot for a player untested in the prem, on the upside he could become a global superstar and be sold next summer for a mere £35 mill hahaha

Rodrigo came from Real Madrid.

[mighty_whites]

I doubt were getting this barca kid I can't believe he will pick us over some Spain and Italian teams! I ain't fussed really as the only thing I see as good is that he comes from barca and so did rodrigo and although he didn't look that bad he won't overly impressive! Plus £5mill is alot for a player untested in the prem, on the upside he could become a global superstar and be sold next summer for a mere £35 mill hahaha

Options are limited when Barca don't want to sell to any rivals competing in either La Liga, or Europe in general. We fit the bil quite nicely especially when we're one of (if not the only) team to have a bid match their evaluation. Even if this move doesn't happen I think everyone is glad we as a club are talking with teams the like of Barca, good relations with them could lead to some exciting loan deals or such like in the future!

That is a fair point pal I am glad were getting linked with this calibre of club and hopefully player, I am very impatient and am getting excited about the possibility of new players arriving to the mighty White army!

[thevza]

Read a bit on a barca forum, they seem to be happy to get rid. Not only to get the money for alexis sanchez, but because he also seems to be a bit of a "perma-crock" as some of you tend to say.

I don't know how easy it would be to see exactly how often he's injured, as he's not in the first eleven when fit.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

To do a bit of a DSB where in that story is a quote to say 'nobody has bid for Jeffren'? All it says is the market is not as busy as is reported. Which could well be a way of saying 'look mate we want you out only Bolton have bid so far we suggest you toddle off there.' I doubt Nixon, the BN, Sky yesterday, and several Spanish papers including the usually reliable AS would report our bid if it hadn't happened. Nothing in the actual quotes suggest it hasn't! Reading between lines though as expected it doesn't look like he fancies coming here. Selling Taylor against this backdrop however is IMO madness!

Whythankyew but it's a test we should all apply to the media, as today's committee is showing... The actual quotes are:

"I can assure you that the market isn't as active as people say. We are working with his agent and we will look for the best place for him to continue his career."

There's an unquoted second-hand Barca [sic] insist they have had no offers so far - I won't put it in quotes as it's a quote from the media company not Barça.

Read a bit on a barca forum, they seem to be happy to get rid. Not only to get the money for alexis sanchez, but because he also seems to be a bit of a "perma-crock" as some of you tend to say.

Methinks the culés have a slightly higher standard than us. That said, if you stuck a wet finger in the wind on this forum then nobody we've been linked with is good enough for us - they're either too rubbish for us or we're too rubbish for them. Tis the way of football fans.

[BWFC_Insane]

Agreed DSB. The mirror have taken the same sky story and applied the headline "Bolton given green light to sign 5m Barca star". Different slants on the same actual quote.

Anyways looks likely that the player isn't interested in coming to us so I expect we will be moving on and if we've got any sense putting Taylor's move away on ice till we actually have someone to come in ourselves! Otherwise we are less than a month to the season with an ever decreasing squad. Not a good position to be in.

[jmjhb]

Are you ever positive about anything BWFC_I?

[BWFC_Insane]

Are you ever positive about anything BWFC_I?

Can only say what I see. Feel free to disagree, but I think Taylor, an experienced player who was first choice at the end of last season and for various periods during it should be kept until we have an adequate replacement IMO!

[Lord Kangana]

He won't contemplate the most obvious conclusion. We've even less money than normal. Surprisingly enough because we now owe the thick end of £100m to somebody, somewhere.

[Tombwfc]

I can't believe that after selling Al Habsi for £4mil, Ward for £1mil and losing the wages of Elmander, Sturridge, Cohen, JOB and Samuel, we'd still in a position where we need to sell Taylor before we can bring in his replacement.

[BWFC_Insane]

He won't contemplate the most obvious conclusion. We've even less money than normal. Surprisingly enough because we now owe the thick end of £100m to somebody, somewhere.

That conclusion is only as obvious as an alternative being that Coyle can't attract the quality of player he wants to the club.

As I say a club short of money would not be bidding over 5M for a player who will demand a high salary on top. Clubs without money don't go round doing those things.

You can carry on banging on that tune but it contradicts everything that has been said and what has happened recently.

As for what we owe if you are trying to make out that Eddie Davies is asking for it back suddenly then that is certainly not what PG said when I asked him with the suggestion being ED was prepared to fund further. Either way logic dictates that ED stands to lose the most if we were ever to go down!

[Lord Kangana]

Depends whether the banks are hassling our Eddie over his borrowings on our behalf. If its renegotiation time, he may well have one arm behind his back. I'll bet his invetments and such like aren't worht anywhere near their levels of a couple of years ago. And with spiralling wages, and a high wages-to-turnover %, I'm guessing he hasn't got much of a comeback, even with the Sky money in the pot. No-one is immune from the effects of the current financial crisis.

In short, I really can't see much incoming without more (ie Taylor) outgoing first.

[BWFC_Insane]

Depends whether the banks are hassling our Eddie over his borrowings on our behalf. If its renegotiation time, he may well have one arm behind his back. I'll bet his invetments and such like aren't worht anywhere near their levels of a couple of years ago. And with spiralling wages, and a high wages-to-turnover %, I'm guessing he hasn't got much of a comeback, even with the Sky money in the pot. No-one is immune from the effects of the current financial crisis.

In short, I really can't see much incoming without more (ie Taylor) outgoing first.

It is my understanding that he has actually loaned us the money directly rather than acting as a souped up guarantor. In fact the club have continually made a big play of the fact that we don't owe money to the banks but to ED directly. I'd be surprised if ED could get bank loans to support a football clubs the banks had already considered a risk!

[TKIZ!]

Owen won't sell Taylor without knowing he has a replacement, he's not that short-sighted. He's identified what we need and I'm sure he's working on bring in the type of players that will advance the club or at least trying to do that

[Lord Kangana]

I'd be even more amazed if he had £100m cashmoney to just pour down a big black hole marked "Bolton Wanderers Football Club".

Besides, I'm not talking about his guarator status or otherwise. I'd be flabbergasted if his own wealth hadn't been diminished in the last couple of years. Taking that (fairly probable) premise, he will be being pressured by the banks in other areas. This in turn will bring pressure to bear on his dealings with the club.

I don't remember reading this last autumn:

The millionaire industrialist pumped fresh funds into the club in October after banks refused to refinance their debts.

A senior figure at the club told the Guardian: "We don't have bank debt any more. Mr Davies is effectively our banker and he's supporting the club

Theres only a finite amount of time and money to do that with. Certainly, if the banks aren't interested, and Davies has no longer the means, I genuinly feel we're nearing the end of this particular source of money. Ergo, we have to change our operating procedures.

[TKIZ!]

Hence Owen being given the job and probably encouraged to buy younger talent to develop and sell on for larger profit?

[BWFC_Insane]

Hence Owen being given the job and probably encouraged to buy younger talent to develop and sell on for larger profit?

Indeed. Last season BWFC made it clear there wasn't much money to spend saying that as there weren't many leaving there wasn't much room to bring much in. This season both Gartside and Coyle have said there is room and resource for several signings. I don't expect us to be spunking 20M net but between frees, loans and a few buys I expect a fair few in. We can't afford not to. After all we are quite a way down on last season!

[Lord Kangana]

Probably. Despite the naysayers, the older players we've brought in were all fee-free, short term (2 years is short, like it or not) contracts. Wheater (23), Holden (25), Pratley (26), Alonso (19) all fit the new mould. Al-Habsi has been jettisoned for money, in favour of the younger (and one assumes cheaper) Bogdan.

On top of that we've loaned Sturridge, Wilshire and Weiss. Theres a clear pattern emerging from where I'm sat. The money tap has been turned off.

[BWFC_Insane]

Probably. Despite the naysayers, the older players we've brought in were all fee-free, short term (2 years is short, like it or not) contracts. Wheater (23), Holden (25), Pratley (26), Alonso (19) all fit the new mould. Al-Habsi has been jettisoned for money, in favour of the younger (and one assumes cheaper) Bogdan.

On top of that we've loaned Sturridge, Wilshire and Weiss. Theres a clear pattern emerging from where I'm sat. The money tap has been turned off.

Coyle has said he will only pay significant fees for younger players. Which makes sense, that is a sound strategy for our sort of club. Which is why he's inferring big money for Jeffren I imagine as they see it as an investment. But that's hardly a sign of no money just a sign that we need to try and make profits on players to run as an effective business. For any of this we need a squad capable of staying up and entertaining the fans. That is what we are currently lacking. Without that then business models are irrelevant!

[TKIZ!]

Probably. Despite the naysayers, the older players we've brought in were all fee-free, short term (2 years is short, like it or not) contracts. Wheater (23), Holden (25), Pratley (26), Alonso (19) all fit the new mould. Al-Habsi has been jettisoned for money, in favour of the younger (and one assumes cheaper) Bogdan.

On top of that we've loaned Sturridge, Wilshire and Weiss. Theres a clear pattern emerging from where I'm sat. The money tap has been turned off.

I agree LK, I think the money tap has been turned off for 'name' players who are older and have a bigger wage demand. Hence us struggling to agree owt with SWP, if we have indeed been talking with him.

[wanderers_on_tour]

Wow i never realised Wheater was that young! I thought he was 29/30 minimum..seems like he's been around forever and doesn't half look it too!