Today I'm angry about.....

[Prufrock]

Where the feck do you all live? In four years of that london the only trouble I saw of that kind was people actually after something.

Happened to me in Bolton town centre. The wierd thing is they don't want anything, just wanna use you like they might casually kick a stone as they wander past.

That's what I mean. I was pickpocketed and mugged in my three years in that london, but shithouses as they were, they were after something, I just don't understand that mentality.

[LiOC]

Where the feck do you all live? In four years of that london the only trouble I saw of that kind was people actually after something.

Happened to me in Bolton town centre. The wierd thing is they don't want anything, just wanna use you like they might casually kick a stone as they wander past.

That's what I mean. I was pickpocketed and mugged in my three years in that london, but shithouses as they were, they were after something, I just don't understand that mentality.

I don't get it. It's not even a picking a fight or picking on someone like a school bully, just a casual whack. There's some strange people in this world.

[keveh]

I was updating my laptop last night and it crashed half way through, so now it doesn't work at all.

Grrrrrrrrrrr!

[hisroyalgingerness]

Aye, I was the lone commuter. Town centre's usually full of scrotes this time of year with the fairground's on and school holidays. The empty-heads seem to gravitate inwards

I don't get some people. I had someone give me a clip around the ear getting off a bus a few weeks ago. Then a fella came and asked me if I was ok, before dragging my head into his knee. I don't understand the point? Sorry to hear about your encounter anyway.

Ugh, that's even shitter. People, people

[P.O.S.]

Aye, I was the lone commuter. Town centre's usually full of scrotes this time of year with the fairground's on and school holidays. The empty-heads seem to gravitate inwards

I don't get some people. I had someone give me a clip around the ear getting off a bus a few weeks ago. Then a fella came and asked me if I was ok, before dragging my head into his knee. I don't understand the point? Sorry to hear about your encounter anyway.

Ugh, that's even shitter. People, people

Absolute tossers, I had it once where I was on a bus and only found out after I got off that some scally sat behind me had been burning holes through my coat with a cigarette. Bus company didn't give a monkeys either when I reported it to them, or the fact that when I got on the driver had a lit spliff in his hand!

Feel for you HRG, I mean what are you supposed to do in a situation like that? Start shouting the odds with them and invite a serious battering? You end up being made to looka mug whatever you do or don't do

[bobo the clown]

Piss-taking gypsies. I'm all for letting them live their lifestyle, but the sneaky, devious way certain members of their community go about their business is fecking infuriating in the extreme.

Do tell. I'm intrigued.

There is a bit of green belt land vaguely in our vicinity. A group of gypsies (I genuinely don't know the differences between 'gypsies', 'travellers' etc, but the press refer to the folks in question as 'gypsies'). Now this group (not large, two or three families) bought the land claiming they intended to build stables on it. Then, they waited for a bank holiday weekend (when the council can't be arsed for an extra day) to move onto this land, built a wall and gateposts, permanent caravan booths, and locked themselves in. They then retrospectively applied for planning permission for all this work. That in itself is a piss-take. This planning permission was turned down, then an eviction notice was ordered, which ordered them to return the land to how it was found, and leave. They ignored this, and the police have done nothing. In the meantime they have submitted fresh planning permission was a very slightly tweaked application, basically a time-buying deal, and continue to take the piss.

There was a petition to the council recently which I was reluctant to sign, given I feel a lot of the stick in the community that goes there was is just anti-'gypo' stuff, which I really don't like. The council (not sure if it is Lancashire county, or the smaller, more local one) is legally obliged to provide them with a site, which they haven't, and a lot of the furore seems to be a 'we don't want their sort around here, houseprices houseprices' thing, which I think is bollocks, but the way this group have been allowed to take the piss on planning permission issues does my nut. Not only that, having flouted all planning permission laws, the fact that people object because they are taking the piss on planning permission laws isn't allowed to be considered in terms of rejecting their appeal. The reason I did sign the petition (in terms of reasons on the petition) is because it is green belt land, in a beautiful part of the world, and nobody should be allowed to build on it.

The very worst impact of a liberal society is that people can take those well meant positions and use them to piss all over you.

You are, of course, not permitted to hold these views as the very society whose values you are attempting to uphold you will upbraid you for them.

If you play by society's rules you should be able to use them. If you step out of them, then fck you.

In my very own, very humble, opinion of course.

[General Mannerheim]

turned up to work this morning to find Gypo's have commandeered half the carpark! folk are running round going mad! its brightened up my day actually! haha

[thebish]

Piss-taking gypsies. I'm all for letting them live their lifestyle, but the sneaky, devious way certain members of their community go about their business is fecking infuriating in the extreme.

Do tell. I'm intrigued.

There is a bit of green belt land vaguely in our vicinity. A group of gypsies (I genuinely don't know the differences between 'gypsies', 'travellers' etc, but the press refer to the folks in question as 'gypsies'). Now this group (not large, two or three families) bought the land claiming they intended to build stables on it. Then, they waited for a bank holiday weekend (when the council can't be arsed for an extra day) to move onto this land, built a wall and gateposts, permanent caravan booths, and locked themselves in. They then retrospectively applied for planning permission for all this work. That in itself is a piss-take. This planning permission was turned down, then an eviction notice was ordered, which ordered them to return the land to how it was found, and leave. They ignored this, and the police have done nothing. In the meantime they have submitted fresh planning permission was a very slightly tweaked application, basically a time-buying deal, and continue to take the piss.

There was a petition to the council recently which I was reluctant to sign, given I feel a lot of the stick in the community that goes there was is just anti-'gypo' stuff, which I really don't like. The council (not sure if it is Lancashire county, or the smaller, more local one) is legally obliged to provide them with a site, which they haven't, and a lot of the furore seems to be a 'we don't want their sort around here, houseprices houseprices' thing, which I think is bollocks, but the way this group have been allowed to take the piss on planning permission issues does my nut. Not only that, having flouted all planning permission laws, the fact that people object because they are taking the piss on planning permission laws isn't allowed to be considered in terms of rejecting their appeal. The reason I did sign the petition (in terms of reasons on the petition) is because it is green belt land, in a beautiful part of the world, and nobody should be allowed to build on it.

The very worst impact of a liberal society is that people can take those well meant positions and use them to piss all over you.

You are, of course, not permitted to hold these views as the very society whose values you are attempting to uphold you will upbraid you for them.

If you play by society's rules you should be able to use them. If you step out of them, then fck you.

In my very own, very humble, opinion of course.

there is actually an issue to be addressed over access to land for gypsies and "travelling showmen" sites. I would stand 100% beside you in your bellicose stance in favour of the upkeep of planning law IF anything close to a level playing field were in operation. Gypsy sites and travelling showmen sites are routinely blocked and opposed in almost every place where they are proposed where "non-gypsy" (for want of a better description) developments would be granted planning permission without comment. Councils have for decades reneged on their statutary duty to provide/set aside appropriate sites for such development...

so - when gypsies stop by the road - or on waste-land - or on common-land - yes, they often do it illegally - but, quite often (not always) they do it because they don't really have much of an option.

given that situation - I reckon most of us would become expert at operating on the edges of the law and seeing what i could get away with... (many non-gypsies also use retrospective planning permission loopholes for massive house extensions and the the like - it is a startlingly common tactic... I'm sure it makes Pru very cross.)

[General Mannerheim]

HAHA, just noticed they have taken up whole car park round the back too. all the owners are flapping like mad and theres a gypsy bird lying in a bikini on a beach towel on a piece of astroturf grass... right in the middle of out carpark! totally unfazed, quality this! tbc...

[Lofthouse Lower]

Post pictures...

[bobo the clown]

there is actually an issue to be addressed over access to land for gypsies and "travelling showmen" sites. I would stand 100% beside you in your bellicose stance in favour of the upkeep of planning law IF anything close to a level playing field were in operation. Gypsy sites and travelling showmen sites are routinely blocked and opposed in almost every place where they are proposed where "non-gypsy" (for want of a better description) developments would be granted planning permission without comment. Councils have for decades reneged on their statutary duty to provide/set aside appropriate sites for such development...

so - when gypsies stop by the road - or on waste-land - or on common-land - yes, they often do it illegally - but, quite often (not always) they do it because they don't really have much of an option.

given that situation - I reckon most of us would become expert at operating on the edges of the law and seeing what i could get away with... (many non-gypsies also use retrospective planning permission loopholes for massive house extensions and the the like - it is a startlingly common tactic... I'm sure it makes Pru very cross.)

A good attempt at defending the indefensible Bish and fair play to you.

However YOU know it's bllx, WE know it's bllx & what's more we both know the other party knows it's bllx.

Much like the nonesense posturing of the 'travellers' themselves.

If they moved along from place to place leaving no damage, mess, rubbish, intimidation and trail of illegality we'd then only have the fact that they pay no taxes to whinge about.

Hey, your fckg travellers .... try travelling !!


Anyway, again I stray into Politics, which I always regret. So will stop.

[Lofthouse Lower]

Try travelling....I think that sums it up nicely

[thebish]

Anyway, again I stray into Politics, which I always regret. So will stop.

you are usually the chief culprit bobo - infecting the angry thread with your politics!

anyway - good argument that - "it's bollox"! I'm suddenly persuaded... (not)

very locally to me planning permission was sought for a Travelling Showmen quarters development on the edge of the green belt (an access road would have clipped the green belt). this sparked outrage - ranting - petitions - campaigns - council spokesmen addressing frothing public meetings - an appeal to the dept of the environment etc... and was ultimately thrown out. The stated reason: we have to protect our green belt - it doesn't matter who it is - it's the green belt we care about.

18months later - the same parcel of land - the same access road - planning permission for a HUGE nursing home complex - granted without a raised voice or a whimper... (the foundations are being laid as I type)

[Lofthouse Lower]

Good - the elderly need somewhere to be safe and cared for. Kudos to your council.

[Lofthouse Lower]

Annoyed with my stupid mobile stupid phone.

Blackberry = shite. Roll on October.

[bobo the clown]

Anyway, again I stray into Politics, which I always regret. So will stop.

you are usually the chief culprit bobo - infecting the angry thread with your politics!

anyway - good argument that - "it's bollox"! I'm suddenly persuaded... (not)

very locally to me planning permission was sought for a Travelling Showmen quarters development on the edge of the green belt (an access road would have clipped the green belt). this sparked outrage - ranting - petitions - campaigns - council spokesmen addressing frothing public meetings - an appeal to the dept of the environment etc... and was ultimately thrown out. The stated reason: we have to protect our green belt - it doesn't matter who it is - it's the green belt we care about.

18months later - the same parcel of land - the same access road - planning permission for a HUGE nursing home complex - granted without a raised voice or a whimper... (the foundations are being laid as I type)

Good.

[thebish]

18months later - the same parcel of land - the same access road - planning permission for a HUGE nursing home complex - granted without a raised voice or a whimper... (the foundations are being laid as I type)

Good.

you and 2Jims may be happy... personally I'm not sure. The plans for this place look very much like a factory-farm facility for old people...

[Lofthouse Lower]

Where they will be looked after into their dotage. What's wrong with that. Some people can't afford/cope with elderly relatives at home with them, and some of the elderly people can't manage living on their own.

Oh and why are you 'thebish' when your photbucket account is 'rev'? Have you been promoted, or are you just putting yourself forward as a bit more important than you really are?

[Lord Kangana]

I'm sceptical that you're an entire stand meself, but I try to carry on as best I can.

[Lofthouse Lower]

I doubt you're a Lord, but am realistic enough to know that it's fairly unlikely.