The TRUTH re Money

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Don't slag him off or Sir Nut'll be after you... Makukula... Though I'd be more worried if we ended up with another Nishzawa

No the guy from sheff weds..!

Glen Little...?

Edit: Duh, obviously not him, he came from Reading - I was just thinking blue and white stripes, I think...

No that big tall gangly git from sheff weds, cant believe his name's escaped me.

surely not paul Warhurst!!!

Noooooo, come on people !
Striker. Shit. Megson brought him in. (no LL, not Elmander).

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Personally i would like to think that given our striker desperation and the huge financial implications that relegation would bring, that we wouldnt quibble over 1m one week before the start if the season, especiall given the start we have. A good manager such as OC should not just say naa he's only worth 3m im not paying 4m he should also think that he can develop and bring them on, so that as a resaleable asset he would have increased their value to at least what he paid for them. If its 3 or 4m out in price, well fine we but should in that case drop immediate interest and purse others actively within our budget, not wait til August 28th and ask liverpool again if they'll take 3m...thats insanity.

But a good manager like Coyle will be able to judge what is reasonable and also has to balance out the risks. That's why we have him for his judgement. Remember he may decide that what NGog would add isn't worth 4M to us and that if worst comes to worst we can survive how we are till January and MIGHT decide that is longer term better than blowing extra just to get NGog. He may also feel that we can pick up a stop gap loan or even get NGog cheaper at a later date. In short with his knowledge it will never be an absolute we 'absolutely must sign this player or were going down situation'!

I know...its just this 'stop gap' and 'later date' part that bothers me. At what point after going from stop-gap to stop-gap do we realise that, far from saving money, we're pissing it down the drain? Rather like renting when you have the money to buy, but wont pay the price of the house because you think its overpriced. As Bish said, we've been lucky with late loans recently, but i mean Sturridge drove himself from london to bolton a few days before end of TW because he was determined to take the chance - we'll get to a stage where we're not so lucky, and end up with another bloody whatsisname , not Smolarek the other lad god what was he called??

Aye but e alternative is you blow your budget on a player who sounds good, should be good, but doesn't work out and end up wishing you'd kept your cash becaue 6 months later a far better and cheaper option arises but you have no space to do the deal!

To be fiar, if a player sounds good and should be good, 8 times out of ten he'll be good, and if he's not then its only hindsight that would make you regret it.

[David Lee's Hair]

Do you mean Southampton and the Bwfc legend that is...... Rasiak!

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Cheers haha...how quickly we forget !

[David Lee's Hair]

Sometimes there is a reason we forget....

[truewhite15]

I was just about to come on with Rasiak. No wonder we couldn't remember, considering you told us "Sheff Weds" and he was from Southampton...

[ohjimmyjimmy]

I was just about to come on with Rasiak. No wonder we couldn't remember, considering you told us "Sheff Weds" and he was from Southampton...

Dont get technical with me. Still managed to come up with the answer didnt you!

[truewhite15]

I was just about to come on with Rasiak. No wonder we couldn't remember, considering you told us "Sheff Weds" and he was from Southampton...

Dont get technical with me. Still managed to come up with the answer didnt you!

Only cos I had the hint of a striker that Megson signed to fall back on...

[Choppers]

Agreed. The transfer market doesn't work the way Coyle wants it to, and it's not going to change any time soon.

What way does it work? Should we just go in and pay the first asking price regardless? Coyle has a job to do and part of it is to protect club funds. Supply always depends on demand and that only happens where value for money is concerned (except if you have mega rich owners who are determined success can be bought by pure top-spend., which unfortunately doesn't include Bolton Wanderers who are deeply in debt, something else that probably isn't going to change any time soon )

You're being arguementative for the sake of it Tango! You know how it works. Everyone overpays, that's just how it works.

If we say "Here's 3 million for a player" and the selling team says "We want 4 and aren't budging", then that's the end, by Owen's logic. It just doesn't work that way.

[BWFC_Insane]

Agreed. The transfer market doesn't work the way Coyle wants it to, and it's not going to change any time soon.

What way does it work? Should we just go in and pay the first asking price regardless? Coyle has a job to do and part of it is to protect club funds. Supply always depends on demand and that only happens where value for money is concerned (except if you have mega rich owners who are determined success can be bought by pure top-spend., which unfortunately doesn't include Bolton Wanderers who are deeply in debt, something else that probably isn't going to change any time soon )

You're being arguementative for the sake of it Tango! You know how it works. Everyone overpays, that's just how it works.

If we say "Here's 3 million for a player" and the selling team says "We want 4 and aren't budging", then that's the end, by Owen's logic. It just doesn't work that way.

Agreed. The transfer market doesn't work the way Coyle wants it to, and it's not going to change any time soon.

What way does it work? Should we just go in and pay the first asking price regardless? Coyle has a job to do and part of it is to protect club funds. Supply always depends on demand and that only happens where value for money is concerned (except if you have mega rich owners who are determined success can be bought by pure top-spend., which unfortunately doesn't include Bolton Wanderers who are deeply in debt, something else that probably isn't going to change any time soon )

You're being arguementative for the sake of it Tango! You know how it works. Everyone overpays, that's just how it works.

If we say "Here's 3 million for a player" and the selling team says "We want 4 and aren't budging", then that's the end, by Owen's logic. It just doesn't work that way.

Not everyone overpays, Wenger being a prime example. Don't think you'll see Newcastle or Blackburn, or Everton overpaying now either. Spurs also have started to demand value for their transfers, see more cautious approach much to Redknapps frustration I imagine with the wheeler dealer he is!

[Tombwfc]

It is an honorable stance to take.... but does it not seem just odd to anybody else?

Coyle's job isn't to act as Eddie Davies' accountant and nobody is going to thank him for it if we're bottom in November because we have no strikers.

He's a better man than me.

[thebish]

It is an honorable stance to take.... but does it not seem just odd to anybody else?

Coyle's job isn't to act as Eddie Davies' accountant and nobody is going to thank him for it if we're bottom in November because we have no strikers.

He's a better man than me.

maybe he judges that if he doesn't spunk all eddie's money up a tree in his first proper window - then eddie will have the confidence to splash if Coyle does think someone is worth it...

[BWFC_Insane]

It is an honorable stance to take.... but does it not seem just odd to anybody else?

Coyle's job isn't to act as Eddie Davies' accountant and nobody is going to thank him for it if we're bottom in November because we have no strikers.

He's a better man than me.

Alternative way to look at it.....if Coyle spunks a load of cash and it doesn't pay off and we are still bottom half, what happens to his career? His reputation stays the same and he's not likely to get a bigger job, spend cautiously and look for 'value' and even a mild upturn in league position and performance will be given big credit.

Plus he models himself on Wenger, and he is Scottish.

[TANGODANCER]

Agreed. The transfer market doesn't work the way Coyle wants it to, and it's not going to change any time soon.

What way does it work? Should we just go in and pay the first asking price regardless? Coyle has a job to do and part of it is to protect club funds. Supply always depends on demand and that only happens where value for money is concerned (except if you have mega rich owners who are determined success can be bought by pure top-spend., which unfortunately doesn't include Bolton Wanderers who are deeply in debt, something else that probably isn't going to change any time soon )

You're being arguementative for the sake of it Tango! You know how it works. Everyone overpays, that's just how it works.

If we say "Here's 3 million for a player" and the selling team says "We want 4 and aren't budging", then that's the end, by Owen's logic. It just doesn't work that way.

Indeed I'm not Choppers. The thread title is "The Truth re money" and the truth is, we don't have it to burn. Football's a business first and a sport second these days. Managers who dash in and spend foolishly rarely last long and I'm sure OC knows that and is just being cautious. I'd much rather we be a team who survives than have a Vivien Nicholson attitude and then go bust beyond repair. I'm sure OC will get it right given time.

[BL3]

Coyle's job isn't to act as Eddie Davies' accountant and nobody is going to thank him for it if we're bottom in November because we have no strikers.

If OC only had one target in mind and that player is going to cost a couple of million more than he wants to spend, then if it's within our budget, he would obviously be well advised to just bite the bullet and spend it. However I seriously doubt that he's only got one striker in mind and he probably thinks that there's better value to be had in other players, leaving him money to spend elsewhere.

[BWFC_Insane]

The other point to make is that perhaps Coyle is looking at the bigger picture than just the next few months. It's fairly obvious he expects to spend some money but all he's saying is it has to be the right players at the right price and there is a balance of being left with a weak squad and spending silly money on average players. His job is to get that balance right. I imagine we will see 2 new faces before the window shuts. Who they'll be is anyone's guess.

[Mar]

It's nice to see Owen Coyle coming out saying things like this. I doubt he would've come out and said that he is being backed if he didn't honestly believe it. It looks as though there is money to spend (whether its via the sale of Gary Cahill or not) but he's willing to do it wisely as opposed to stupidly.

I'm just hopeful we won't leave it too late and end up doing a Leicester (Ade Panickbiyi).

[Relentless09]

Sounds like Ruud Van is coming on a free

[truewhite15]

Sounds like Ruud Van is coming on a free

I'd take that, actually. Not sure how his legs are right now, but he knows where the goal is.

[Worthy4England]

Sounds like Ruud Van is coming on a free

I'd take that, actually. Not sure how his legs are right now, but he knows where the goal is.

If the horse faced bastard and Klasnic could do 45 mins each, that might be a compromise striker signing.