Here we go (aka UK riots thread)

[Lord Kangana]

I recognise that this is rhetorical but is it permitted to ask why you think it happened?

Please why do you think it happened??

the problem with asking why it happened is that too many people confuse an attempt to explain or understand "why" something has happened with "excusing" what happened. It then leads to more heat than light.

Or causaltiy isn't an excuse merely an explanation.

[TANGODANCER]

I recognise that this is rhetorical but is it permitted to ask why you think it happened?

Please why do you think it happened??

the problem with asking why it happened is that too many people confuse an attempt to explain or understand "why" something has happened with "excusing" what happened. It then leads to more heat than light.

I'm pretty sure most of us have enough savvy to understand why it "started" Bish. We can read newspapers and watch the media of TV. It's the mindless aspect of the rest of it that baffles. If you can tell me why that happened I'd be interested to know. Tell me what justifies an incident between a supposed gun crime scene involving the police turning into a burning, looting, mugging and rioting frenzy that's spread to towns across the country where lives are being put at risk in one of the world's supposedly most civilised countries. I don't ask in heat, just let some of that that light shine on me.

[superjohnmcginlay]

I recognise that this is rhetorical but is it permitted to ask why you think it happened?

Please why do you think it happened??

the problem with asking why it happened is that too many people confuse an attempt to explain or understand "why" something has happened with "excusing" what happened. It then leads to more heat than light.

I'm pretty sure most of us have enough savvy to understand why it "started" Bish. We can read newspapers and watch the media of TV. It's the mindless aspect of the rest of it that baffles. If you can tell me why that happened I'd be interested to know. Tell me what justifies an incident between a supposed gun crime scene involving the police turning into a burning, looting, mugging and rioting frenzy that's spread to towns across the country where lives are being put at risk in one of the world's supposedly most civilised countries. I don't ask in heat, just let some of that that light shine on me.

I should hope not at your age!

[Lord Kangana]

I reckon Cameron should take them all on holiday with him next time. Wreck someone else's country. Then they can just be boisterous "lads".

[TANGODANCER]

I should hope not at your age!

I have to know in case the Zimmer Fusileers are going to be called into action. I think Farnworth will be safe because a cash inventory of Market Street shops, end-to-end, would realise about two hundred and thirty quid excluding Asda.

[thebish]

I recognise that this is rhetorical but is it permitted to ask why you think it happened?

Please why do you think it happened??

the problem with asking why it happened is that too many people confuse an attempt to explain or understand "why" something has happened with "excusing" what happened. It then leads to more heat than light.

I'm pretty sure most of us have enough savvy to understand why it "started" Bish. We can read newspapers and watch the media of TV. It's the mindless aspect of the rest of it that baffles. If you can tell me why that happened I'd be interested to know. Tell me what justifies an incident between a supposed gun crime scene involving the police turning into a burning, looting, mugging and rioting frenzy that's spread to towns across the country where lives are being put at risk in one of the world's supposedly most civilised countries. I don't ask in heat, just let some of that that light shine on me.

see - you have ALREADY confused the two...

[TANGODANCER]

I recognise that this is rhetorical but is it permitted to ask why you think it happened?

Please why do you think it happened??

the problem with asking why it happened is that too many people confuse an attempt to explain or understand "why" something has happened with "excusing" what happened. It then leads to more heat than light.

I'm pretty sure most of us have enough savvy to understand why it "started" Bish. We can read newspapers and watch the media of TV. It's the mindless aspect of the rest of it that baffles. If you can tell me why that happened I'd be interested to know. Tell me what justifies an incident between a supposed gun crime scene involving the police turning into a burning, looting, mugging and rioting frenzy that's spread to towns across the country where lives are being put at risk in one of the world's supposedly most civilised countries. I don't ask in heat, just let some of that that light shine on me.

see - you have ALREADY confused the two...

Really? So if one has no connection with the other, all that remains is why it happened? Do tell, I know you're dying to. I'm sure it'll involve the simmering, below-the-surface, discontent of the poor lower classes (a lot of whom are now considrably richer due to what they nicked)
and their anger at policing and authority, not enough benefits etc, but tell on then.

[hisroyalgingerness]

One charmer interviewed by Sky yesterday said he was looting "because the police have too much power". So make of that what you will

Personally I think politicising the affair is giving the mongalongs too much credit. It suggests they have an actual answer to the problems they are rising up against.

[Raven]

Have to say, I was listening to Theresa May on R5 this morning and she just came across as being completely out of her depth here. "I'm arranging a series of meetings with Chief Constables to see what they need". Dear God! Try water cannons and the military, Love! Meetings adjourned.

Saw the silly cow on TV this am, never answered a question directly, did not seem to have a clue and as said went on and on about the criminality of it all.

I am pretty liberal minded and think I understand (to my limited brain capacity) the problems of certain people and what the social problems can cause but even I have lost patience and its now time to be really hard with these people, no problems can excuse what has been going on and as for some of the community contacts trying to justify it with their alienation problems etc bullshite its not good enough, let the shackles off the police, send in the army, water cannons etc and if anyone gets hurt then tough shit (if you are innocent why the hell are you there!)

And make sure the wet out of touch legal system punish these little shitbags, how about sendinig them to Iraq/Afghanistan and using them to clear minefields!

[Verbal]

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[Raven]

Bring back the SPG

[thebish]

Really? So if one has no connection with the other, all that remains is why it happened? Do tell, I know you're dying to. I'm sure it'll involve the simmering, below-the-surface, discontent of the poor lower classes (a lot of whom are now considrably richer due to what they nicked)
and their anger at policing and authority, not enough benefits etc, but tell on then.

see.... the confusion between why something happens and excusing/justifying it instantly leads to heat.. which was simply the point was making in response to someone else's question...

you have helpfully illustrated it for me. thanks!

[Zulus Thousand of em]

What would you do Bish? What is the solution?

[Verbal]

Could flare up in Hackney soon...local businesses have been told to shut up shop within 30 minutes. All employees being sent home.

Hmm.

[thebish]

What would you do Bish? What is the solution?

you tell me! where did I suggest I had a solution?
do you favour the Ken Livingstone - "blame the tories" approach?

[Zulus Thousand of em]

What would you do Bish? What is the solution?

you tell me! where did I suggest I had a solution?
do you favour the Ken Livingstone - "blame the tories" approach?

It's just that, as you are coming up with lots of smartarse comments, I thought that you might have a deep insight of the issues.

Stupid of me.

[2399]

It was talked about today; (I know nothing of it really)

It was said:
"They should just bring the Army in." "That'll end it."

and I'm like:
"Won't that Start it?"

[Raven]

Could flare up in Hackney soon...local businesses have been told to shut up shop within 30 minutes. All employees being sent home.

Hmm.

Same could be happening in West Brom. Work colleague's better half told her they are shutting store there!

[thebish]

What would you do Bish? What is the solution?

you tell me! where did I suggest I had a solution?
do you favour the Ken Livingstone - "blame the tories" approach?

It's just that, as you are coming up with lots of smartarse comments, I thought that you might have a deep insight of the issues.

Stupid of me.

Zulu... what on earth is "smartarse" about suggesting that it would generate more heat than light on here at this particular point to start trying to discuss the reasons for the riots?? It's a perfectly ordinary, rational and sensible opinion that this is the case.

the reason it would cause more heat than light is quite simple - and is pretty much the only thing I have said on the matter - it is evident in every radio-phone in and TV discussion I have heard already - people very quickly confuse an attempt to explain "why" something happens with "excusing"/"justifying" what happened.

what is "smartarse" about that??

I (like you, I imagine) have plenty of ideas WHY this has happened (it isn't rocket science) - and at the same time have no EXCUSES/JUSTIFICATION to offer on anyone's behalf for the behaviour.

[David Lee's Hair]

Could flare up in Hackney soon...local businesses have been told to shut up shop within 30 minutes. All employees being sent home.

Hmm.

Brill.....

I'm just at the bottom of Broadway Market, and it is alleged that's todays target....