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[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I agree with most of that, Jimbo.

I'm not sure we would spring for all those at once but we've definitely been in the market.

And while SWP will have to find a place on the money/football sliding scale, I wouldn't blame him if (if) we're only offering 25kpw to someone on 80kpw. Wigan's alleged 40kpw - presumably they're throwing money at him in a loss-making attempt to replace Nzogbia - is enough of a drop; "an extra 15k" is per week, over the course of say a two-year contract, actually £1.5m difference. Moreover, if (if) those figures are right we'd be offering £2.6m wages rather than £4.1m - it's a fair old slice less. That said, I would expect us to up our offer a bit over the next fortnight, especially if we end up signing a striker who doesn't take up most of the remaining headroom on the wage bill.

If we sell Cahill I would hope for us to sign a decent centre-back, and preferably a ball-playing one rather than a Wheater/Knight type. Onuoha? ("Too expensive! Waste of money!") Rhys Williams? ("Who's he?!" "Championship player!")

[BWFC_Insane]

I agree with most of that, Jimbo.

I'm not sure we would spring for all those at once but we've definitely been in the market.

And while SWP will have to find a place on the money/football sliding scale, I wouldn't blame him if (if) we're only offering 25kpw to someone on 80kpw. Wigan's alleged 40kpw - presumably they're throwing money at him in a loss-making attempt to replace Nzogbia - is enough of a drop; "an extra 15k" is per week, over the course of say a two-year contract, actually £1.5m difference. Moreover, if (if) those figures are right we'd be offering £2.6m wages rather than £4.1m - it's a fair old slice less. That said, I would expect us to up our offer a bit over the next fortnight, especially if we end up signing a striker who doesn't take up most of the remaining headroom on the wage bill.

If we sell Cahill I would hope for us to sign a decent centre-back, and preferably a ball-playing one rather than a Wheater/Knight type. Onuoha? ("Too expensive! Waste of money!") Rhys Williams? ("Who's he?!" "Championship player!")

From the fans forum, the issue with SWP seems to be that his agent is doing all the talking and Coyle hasn't been given the chance to speak to SWP face to face "about football". I'm only reading between the lines from that night but I read it that Coyle would prefer to do that, and that he wasn't entirely impressed with how SWP was going about things. Could be wrong like.

According to earlier Nixon tweets, and indeed some of the stuff in the BN, offers on the table are 50Kpw from Wigan, 40Kpw from Stoke and for us (roughly half Wigans) so25Kpw from us, they are of course approximations. I suspect ours is near enough 30Kpw but still the fact remains that Wigan are going all out financially, Stoke are offering more and have the lure of European football.

Tough choice for SWP. But given the choice has been on the table for over a week now, isn't it odd that he's still bumming around with City's reserves?

And if we sell Cahill it has been said we will try and get Onouha which would be a very good deal if it happens.

[boltonboris]

I reckon, if we offered the same, he'd sign for us straight off. The rumour is that we're his favoured destination. Perhaps we're privvy to that hence the lesser wages on the table. £40-£50k per week is an awful lot to us.

It is to Wigan too, so I can only assume that their wage bill is much lower than ours

[BWFC_Insane]

I reckon, if we offered the same, he'd sign for us straight off. The rumour is that we're his favoured destination. Perhaps we're privvy to that hence the lesser wages on the table. £40-£50k per week is an awful lot to us.

It is to Wigan too, so I can only assume that their wage bill is much lower than ours

They are more desperate. They lost their best player. And don't have a replacement or an adequate squad.

We are only buying SWP cos LCY is out for a year. Longer term we won't be building a team around SWP, whereas Wigan may be!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

BWFCi, I don't find it at all odd that SWP is still hanging around at Citeh. He doesn't want to leave, and if he does he wants to have the most options possible. Again it's a sliding scale - leave it too long and he might lose options rather than gain them - but I can't blame him for not jumping at the choices offered thus far.

Boris: Isn't our self-imposed wage ceiling now £35kpw? Isn't that what Tuncay* dropped to?

Incidentally, I've just checked with UEFA and the squad list submission date for the Champions League groups stages (where City come in) is Sep 1. Pity: being omitted from that before the Premier League transfer deadline might well have focused his mind a little.

*sorry - Tunners, to give him his full name, lest we mix him up with youth-team midfielder Bob Tuncay

[boltonboris]

BWFCi, I don't find it at all odd that SWP is still hanging around at Citeh. He doesn't want to leave, and if he does he wants to have the most options possible. Again it's a sliding scale - leave it too long and he might lose options rather than gain them - but I can't blame him for not jumping at the choices offered thus far.

Boris: Isn't our self-imposed wage ceiling now £35kpw? Isn't that what Tuncay* dropped to?

Incidentally, I've just checked with UEFA and the squad list submission date for the Champions League groups stages (where City come in) is Sep 1. Pity: being omitted from that before the Premier League transfer deadline might well have focused his mind a little.

*sorry - Tunners, to give him his full name, lest we mix him up with youth-team midfielder Bob Tuncay

I hope so! But I read somewhere that our Mercurial work-shy ex-City winger is earning £5k more than that ceiling!

[BWFC_Insane]

BWFCi, I don't find it at all odd that SWP is still hanging around at Citeh. He doesn't want to leave, and if he does he wants to have the most options possible. Again it's a sliding scale - leave it too long and he might lose options rather than gain them - but I can't blame him for not jumping at the choices offered thus far.

Boris: Isn't our self-imposed wage ceiling now £35kpw? Isn't that what Tuncay* dropped to?

Incidentally, I've just checked with UEFA and the squad list submission date for the Champions League groups stages (where City come in) is Sep 1. Pity: being omitted from that before the Premier League transfer deadline might well have focused his mind a little.

*sorry - Tunners, to give him his full name, lest we mix him up with youth-team midfielder Bob Tuncay

Fair enough DSB, as you say he may find options dissapearing if he doesn't make his mind up. Agree about salaries though, different players have different circumstances. SWP may live a life that means he needs to maintain his earnings, or he may have outside reasons why he wishes to. We don't know.

Tuncay has taken a drop but its a years long loan. Might not be so keen when it comes to a permanent 3 year deal and realistically his last major pay cheque! Same as SWP....

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Intriguing if true that OC was happier with a higher ceiling last summer than this.

Am I also right in having the hunch that someone (Nixon?) said we've currently got about £100kpw head room in the wage bill? Would make sense that OC isn't (yet) ready to spend a third of it on a right-winger... but he might creep up on that as the deadline nears. Daft to deny ourselves over the odd bob, if say we offer £30kpw and SWP wants £33kpw. Mind you didn't Phil Neal once quibble over £1,000 when buying (or selling) Trevor Morgan?!

[BWFC_Insane]

Intriguing if true that OC was happier with a higher ceiling last summer than this.

Am I also right in having the hunch that someone (Nixon?) said we've currently got about £100kpw head room in the wage bill? Would make sense that OC isn't (yet) ready to spend a third of it on a right-winger... but he might creep up on that as the deadline nears. Daft to deny ourselves over the odd bob, if say we offer £30kpw and SWP wants £33kpw. Mind you didn't Phil Neal once quibble over £1,000 when buying (or selling) Trevor Morgan?!

I don't think there is a "ceiling" in the traditional sense. I just think OC likes to eek out every £ possible. We paid 60Kpw for Sturridge last season and would have done again.

SWP at his age, Coyle probably doesn't want to commit as much. Also I guess depends on the length of the contract and the risk/reward balance.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

SWP is probably frantically hoping Arsenal make his phone ring. Some hope.

Yer right BWFCi, Tuncay might haggle for more wage if he's a success. One for next summer though...

[Lofthouse Lower]

I see from that Twitter that Nixon is saying that Phillips is basically a dead deal - too expensive.

[Tals-biggest-fan]

What happened to SWP being prepared to drop his wages to play for us!

[boltonboris]

I don't recall that ever being said

[Lofthouse Lower]

Zat Knight's fault, all this

[ohjimmyjimmy]

I don't recall that ever being said

I remember it 'being reported' a few weeks ago.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

So SWP is not willing to budge and neither are we, so lets move on. For me if you're 29, nearly 30, having already made best part of 10 million quid in your career, and you accept that you're no longer the player you were yet someone is still willing to pay you another 5 million pounds over 3 years in exchange for actually playing football, and you don't take it, then you deserve no sympathy for later whinging that you sit on the bench all the time and train with the reserves.

Stoke will remain an attractive alternative for him and they will have probably upped the ante in the wages stakes in order to gain the advantage over other bidders (like Sunderland would have probably done when they registered their interest, which went awfy quiet after), but if we drop out it will be interesting to see if they follow it up or if poor little hard-up Seany is only left with Wigan as a viable option and if he can then say with a straight face how happy he is to join Wigan !

I'm sure OC has alternatives and will now seek to progress plan B in the winger stakes.

[Lofthouse Lower]

Aye, that Scotch lad

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Did nothing ever come of Vucevic? I've been away down in Devon, and seemingly Vodafone has never heard of Devon..

[Lofthouse Lower]

What do you think - he'll never ever ever ever ever sign for us.

[Tals-biggest-fan]

according to dailyrecord Rangers are trying to force this Greg Wylde out the club

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/s ... -23340896/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GREGG WYLDE'S dad last night accused Rangers of trying to force his son out of Ibrox.

The 20-year-old midfielder has been labelled a contract rebel and it has been suggested that ex-Celtic striker Frank McAvennie is trying to sell him to a host of English sides.

But Wylde's father Gordon insists those reports are rubbish and claims Gers are treating his son like an outcast.

The former Kilmarnock midfielder said: "I read that Rangers are desperate to keep Gregg but if that is the case then why was he told by the manager last Friday the offer of a new contract was off the table?

"Gregg was then told he was no longer a part of the first-team squad.

"Rangers are using him to deflect the flak they will get from fans for trying to sell one of their kids."

However, boss Ally McCoist said: "We went back with an improved offer. His representatives moved the goalposts again and wanted more.

I'd a million would get him.