Here we go (aka UK riots thread)

[Lord Kangana]

Interestingly enough, the director of prisons was on the radio tonight (its all go in my kitchen). Seriously worried that troule is going to start there and spread elsewhere. And that we'll be giving out a good criminal education to plenty of opportunists who just knicked a bottle of water or bag of rice.

S'up to you I spose. There are more serious crimes than receiving a pair of stolen shorts that are being overlooked for this.

[Worthy4England]

I don't think the general public are interested in that worry. His job is to keep the feck* locked up until they've served their sentence.

If they get a good criminal education out if it, no doubt he'll be seeing them more than once.

[Lord Kangana]

And so will we. Possibly in our houses at midnight. Or on our streets looting in bigger more organised groups.

Its a bit nonsensical when you think about it really, isn't it?

[hisroyalgingerness]

Interestingly enough, the director of prisons was on the radio tonight (its all go in my kitchen). Seriously worried that troule is going to start there and spread elsewhere. And that we'll be giving out a good criminal education to plenty of opportunists who just knicked a bottle of water or bag of rice.

S'up to you I spose. There are more serious crimes than receiving a pair of stolen shorts that are being overlooked for this.

My question then to the Director of Prisons is why are his prisons basically an education ground for criminals and why the fook isn't there effective rehabilitation being carried out

[CAPSLOCK]

My question then to the Director of Prisons is why are his prisons basically an education ground for criminals and why the fook isn't there effective rehabilitation being carried out

My question would be 'why the fook isn't effective, systematic beating being carried out' but no doubt that's just me

[hisroyalgingerness]

That's what I said - rehabilitation

[Worthy4England]

And so will we. Possibly in our houses at midnight. Or on our streets looting in bigger more organised groups.

Its a bit nonsensical when you think about it really, isn't it?

No, it's only nonsensical whilst the punishment is less than the crime.

Just hit them with increasingly larger sticks, instead of pandering to some quaint notion that it would be somehow unfair to do so.

I think three strikes and the death penalty would probably clarify it.

[CAPSLOCK]

That's what I said - rehabilitation

Very good

I smiled

A lot

[Hoboh]

And so will we. Possibly in our houses at midnight. Or on our streets looting in bigger more organised groups.

Its a bit nonsensical when you think about it really, isn't it?

No, it's only nonsensical whilst the punishment is less than the crime.

Just hit them with increasingly larger sticks, instead of pandering to some quaint notion that it would be somehow unfair to do so.

I think three strikes and the death penalty would probably clarify it.

You just got your job back

I'd ask the minister for prisons just who the feck is runing these places? Well paid overtimed staff employed by you or the friggin' scum sent there??? Get a grip man they misbehave then paste the SOB's, riot and feckin' shoot them!! Human rights mob again as usual will spoil what most feel to be justice being administerd are we the only piggin country in the world that actually trys to carry thm out? at a great cost and massive damage to our sociaty?
Trading as a human rights lawyer should be made illeagal and said types should be shot!!!!

[Worthy4England]

You just got your job back

I wasn't aware that I'd lost it!

Had I been, I'd have probably gone out looting n stuff.

[Hoboh]

You just got your job back

I wasn't aware that I'd lost it!

Had I been, I'd have probably gone out looting n stuff.

Must be paying you too much if you didn't notice last months paycheck missing

Still your back on board with a bonus to compensate

[Lord Kangana]

On the overtime score, I actually know a chef who left to become a prison guard because of the sheer amount of overtime on offer in his local prison. I was amazed how much he was earning.

However, I can't imagine its a job thats the top of anyone's wish.

[bobo the clown]

And so will we. Possibly in our houses at midnight. Or on our streets looting in bigger more organised groups.

Its a bit nonsensical when you think about it really, isn't it?

No, it's only nonsensical whilst the punishment is less than the crime.

Just hit them with increasingly larger sticks, instead of pandering to some quaint notion that it would be somehow unfair to do so.

I think three strikes and the death penalty would probably clarify it.

LK, without realising it you've suggested mot following through with punishment for fear of what follows.

That route is the way of madness .... otherwise known as the liberal shite that got us in this state in the first place.

I despair at our inability to run prisons.

[Lord Kangana]

You'll find that even this present government (or the Tory part of it) concluded that, other than for serious crimes where people should be removed from society for our safety, prison doesn't work.

Short of locking people up indefinitely, there has to be another approach taken, as this one clearly isn't working.

And as for the Liberal jibes, I grow tired of hearing that limp argument. Its just common sense to question something that is costing us a fortune, isn't working, and has lead us to having the largest prison population in Western Europe. I had you pinned as someone with the intelligence to look at figures like like that and say "hang on, thats f*cked up". Feel free to take the easy route if you wish, but its not working, and it will continue to not work exponentially based on the prison population.

[Worthy4England]

I wonder sometimes at the "prison doesn't work" conversation.

For the period of time that people are incarcerated, they are not free to commit crime within the outside community and as such it therefore works. However, what we're allowed to do when people are locked up and how long people are locked up for, is consistently weakened and watered down by liberals, to the point that it's no wonder it doesn't seem as much of a deterrent as it might.

So they appeal for weaker sentences, lower deterrence and more "rehabilitation", then point out that prison isn't working.

Beggars belief.

[jaffka]

I often wonder that if prison is so bad why do the criminals come up with all sort of bollox to avoid it?

[Lord Kangana]

Its pretty pointless having a discussion where the only counter arguement is that you're liberal.

The point stands. Studies have shown prison doesn't work. Please feel free to discuss the ones that say it does.

Perhaps we can start from there.

[Worthy4England]

Its pretty pointless having a discussion where the only counter arguement is that you're liberal.

The point stands. Studies have shown prison doesn't work. Please feel free to discuss the ones that say it does.

Perhaps we can start from there.

The argument wasn't that someone was liberal. It was that a liberal attitude has constantly fought to weaken the deterrence value. Then sits there and points to studies that show it's not working. No shit Sherlock.

What does it mean when you say that studies have shown that prision doesn't work? Doesn't work to do what precisely? Lower the crime rate? Lower the re-offending rate? Without any formal study, I would put forward the proposition that not having prision wouldn't work either.

Between 1988 and 1993, the prision population was cut by 10%. Recorded crime reached an all time high. From 1995 - 2001 the prision polulation went up by 45%. Recorded crime dropped to 12m (from 19m). So when people are locked up, they can't commit crime.

That looks like "works" to me.

[jaffka]

If prison does not work as the toughest sanction available then surely that means that all the other 'lesser' sanctions do not work either.

[bobo the clown]

Studies have shown prison doesn't work. Please feel free to discuss the ones that say it does.

Perhaps we can start from there.

Prison as it is operated doesn't work. Prison, that is, where the criminals have too much freedom, too much mollycoddling, so free that inside gangs run the place, where they have access to phones & can carry on their dealings from inside. Prisons where searches are restricted due to 'human rights'. Prisons where drugs are rife. Prisons where the sentence is normally halved, prisons where the prisoners get weekends out and conjugal rights while they are in. Prisons where they can sue the authorities for poor food, poor treatment and if they injure themselves ... & receive awards far beyond those given to their victims.

Yes, prisons don't work.

They don't work coz of the raft of liberal attitudes surrounding them.

They'd fckg work if they were run properly.