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Post by malcd1 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:46 pm

dionnn wrote:at least with gary megson you know that his tactic was to lob the ball at Davies head whilst with coyle he talks about playing the beautiful game and then his tactics are lob the ball at Davies head whilst the rest of the team stand still and watch
Feck me. You really wasn't joking was you. :shock:
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Post by BL3 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:46 pm

LiOC wrote:I hope to see radical changes for Villa in the cup. At least we're forced to make a change up top without the awkward, Do we drop our top scorer questions. Small silver lining
He's got to use that game to give the likes of Wheater and N'gog a run-out. Holden might be back as well which is a massive bonus but OC needs to work out what his best team is sooner rather than later.

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Post by DJBlu » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:52 pm

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keveh wrote:Kevin Davies needs to be dropped for the next game, unfortunately he just isn't premiership quality anymore. I'm not going to have a go at him, he's been brilliant for this club, but effort alone is not going to win you games.

I'd like to see Ngog and Klasnic start. Klasnic does bugger all, but he can get you a goal, Ngog will easily make up for any running that Klasnic wont do.

Ngog also has the ability to pass the ball and take it on, two qualities that Davies doesn't have.

why not Davies and Ngog..? [ in any event Klas will get three for the violent conduct..]
Because with Davies on the pitch its always going to get played long.

N'gog held the ball up more in the second half than Davies has in god knows how many games.

Its such a shame we are all on about the same thing cause Davies has been a rock for Bolton.

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Post by Dr.Karl » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:55 pm

Whats the fecking point of signing Tuncay and playing him on the right when he's signed TWO right wingers.

A lot of square pegs in round holes because Coyle doesn't want to drop Captain Fantastic. Grow a pair Owen.

And I'll say what we're all thinking, Megson is more tactically aware that Coyle.
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Post by chaddy_bwfc » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:00 pm

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dionnn wrote:at least with gary megson you know that his tactic was to lob the ball at Davies head whilst with coyle he talks about playing the beautiful game and then his tactics are lob the ball at Davies head whilst the rest of the team stand still and watch
Feck me. You really wasn't joking was you. :shock:
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:12 pm

Can't defend Coyle for that shite. Clearly he was lucky with Holden because without him our record is dreadful. We are in big big big trouble as it stands. If you can't get results off Norwich at home when can you?

His team selection is a complete joke. He says at half time we needed some pace up front, well durrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Saturdays are dull, depressing and lifeless and the football we are playing is the same. We will be losing fans, over the half assed team selections , tactics and performances. The first half today was worse than anything over the last few years. Don't think we had a shot. Don't think half the players moved off the ball once.

Second half is fooking irrelevant cos its too late by then. We need some points and we need them quick. No more excuses we need the manager to start making the right goddamn selections.

Sick sick sick to my stomach tonight, genuinely think we could be in trouble this year!

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Post by Worthy4England » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:21 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Can't defend Coyle for that shite. Clearly he was lucky with Holden because without him our record is dreadful. We are in big big big trouble as it stands. If you can't get results off Norwich at home when can you?

His team selection is a complete joke. He says at half time we needed some pace up front, well durrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Saturdays are dull, depressing and lifeless and the football we are playing is the same. We will be losing fans, over the half assed team selections , tactics and performances. The first half today was worse than anything over the last few years. Don't think we had a shot. Don't think half the players moved off the ball once.

Second half is fooking irrelevant cos its too late by then. We need some points and we need them quick. No more excuses we need the manager to start making the right goddamn selections.

Sick sick sick to my stomach tonight, genuinely think we could be in trouble this year!
Can't argue with most of this.

Was as bad as I've seen in years too. Individually, we have some potentially reasonable players but as a team, we look like we don't all train on the same pitch. Complete organisational shambles.

Arsenal and Chelsea could get 10 each.

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Post by jimbo_bwfc » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:23 pm

Knight and Cahill have kept 6 clean sheets in 62, I don't really care if you drop Cahill or Knight (well, I do!) but you need to drop one of them because for 2 and a bit seasons now it has proven without question that they can not, will not, never will, work as a partnership. In that case you pick the weaker link of the two, obviously Knight, and you never play him with Cahill again.

No movement or pace between Klasnic and Davies, ridiculous that they started together again.

There is no shape when we lose the ball, massive holes all over the pitch. No fluidity when we pick it up- nothing coming from midfield because we change it every game and no-one will pick it up and run with it. I tell you what, for as shit as he is in the opposition half, at least Muamba isn't afraid to run and get himself in the right positions, he's ballooned hundreds of balls over from the edge of the area, but then at least he's gotten himself there. Mavies/Pratley aren't.

The players boot it up top whether Davies is there or not, we went one up front- and that one was Ngog who did very well but likes to drop back and pick the ball up- he was at right back at one point- the ball still was hoofed up into no mans land- didn't help Klasnic getting himself sent off, fecking idiot.

Tuncay didn't have a very good game and his first touch was shit to what I was expecting/what he can do, but at the same time, he was played out of position.

4-4-1-1: Jussi, Steinsson/Boyata, Cahill, Boyata/Wheater, Robinson, Kakuta/Eagles, Reo-Coker, Holden/Mavies/Muamba/Pratley, Petrov, Tuncay, Ngog

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Post by Peter Thompson » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:23 pm

Agree with Dr Karl - absolutely square pegs in round holes just to accomodate our OAP (KD), who did absolutely nothing in that 1st half.

It was a really disgraceful performance against a really shite Norwich team, let's not forget that.

No shape, no committment, no leadership, no energy, piss poor passing and non existent movement, no tempo and just slow, slow, slow and more slow.

The goalkeeper should have rushed out and spread himself for the 1st, not stay rooted to his line - yet again (years ago he would have come flying out to narrow the angle), Robinson was again really awful, in fact shocking and I was not impressed with Reo Coker, Pratley or Boyata - Boyata's performance was so poor its hard to believe, possibly the worst individual performance since the Diawara days

What I will say is that I've been a fierce critic of Muamba, but based on the performances of Reo Coker & Pratley today against a poor Norwich side I was wrong - he's a much better player than both of them.

But we shouldn't be surprised Norwich hadn't won an away game in the top flight since 1994 - so you know the score, any team or player who has a run to break just play Bolton...we'll just lie down and roll over yet again - what the feck has happened since Wembley we're in free fall with absolutely no sign of an end to it....and the buck stops with Coyle, his team, his signings, his tactics, his coaching (non existent...).

The decline since Wembley has been truly alarming....and apparently we worked on defending in training this week !

Yet again he bottled it and started with the 2 carthorses K Davies & Klasnic upfront today....and Tuncay is not a winger, he plays just behind the central striker....

Come on Owen - apparently your a decent manager ??

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Post by plymouth wanderer » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:25 pm

he's got go 4-5-1 against arsenal but fvck will he , flood the midfield pratley ,RC , muamba

it's time to stop being pally pally with them and playing fvcking table tennis and kick the fvck out of them

surely this was davo's last chance to impress this season(as a starter)

the one i feel sorry for is David weater he must be dead or stupidly fvcking sh!t not to get ahead of knight why buy him
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Post by seattle_wanderer » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:28 pm

Five consecutive defeats at Fortress Reebok - that's Championship level quality - no Champions League for us!

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:28 pm

End of the day nobody on here can convince me that this is owt different to what we churned out under Megson. In fact it's worse. Put it is way if we get to Sammy Lee levels of shitness of 5 (or less) points from 10 games then things need to change, because I actually think we have a decent group of players, who are just being criminally mismanaged!

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Post by BL3 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:32 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:Robinson was again really awful, in fact shocking and I was not impressed with Reo Coker, Pratley or Boyata - Boyata's performance was so poor its hard to believe, possibly the worst individual performance since the Diawara days
Robinson should have been binned at the end of last season. He's just not good enough. Boyata isn't a full back, he's a centre half being played out of position. We needed two quality full backs in the summer but it's difficult to attract players like that with the money we had to spend.

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Post by Peter Thompson » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:34 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:he's got go 4-5-1 against arsenal but fvck will he , flood the midfield pratley ,RC , muamba

it's time to stop being pally pally with them and playing fvcking table tennis and kick the fvck out of them

surely this was davo's last chance to impress this season(as a starter)

the one i feel sorry for is David weater he must be dead or stupidly fvcking sh!t not to get ahead of knight why buy him
Totally agree, all this being mates with the players - he needs to toughen up (a lot...), these spineless millionaire players of ours are taking the piss out of Coyle - Norwich where so average its hard to believe, so what does that make Bolton.

You know what - the time to play 2 up front was actually 2nd half with 10 men he should have gambled being 2-0 down and gone for it, not leave N'gog on his own upfront, Coyle is definately tactically clueless....

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Post by BL3 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:35 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:End of the day nobody on here can convince me that this is owt different to what we churned out under Megson. In fact it's worse. Put it is way if we get to Sammy Lee levels of shitness of 5 (or less) points from 10 games then things need to change, because I actually think we have a decent group of players, who are just being criminally mismanaged!
If we have a 'decent group of players', then it's because we have a manager who has assembled that group on a fraction of the budget that Megson had to spend.

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Post by chaddy_bwfc » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:35 pm

Jesus! we're 5 games into a season! 3 of them were against utd, city and liverpool, we were never expecting to get much, if anything out of them. Fair enough we played awful in the united and the game today, but we've not been given a chance to get a decent run going with these fixtures.
Yes we need to make changes defensively and maybe klasnic's red card could be a blessing in disguise because now it forces OC into a change up front. But come on, there's no need to be calling OC clueless and spineless 5 games into a season. Anyone would think we're bottom of the league going into the last 10 games of the season!

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:37 pm

BL3 wrote:
Peter Thompson wrote:Robinson was again really awful, in fact shocking and I was not impressed with Reo Coker, Pratley or Boyata - Boyata's performance was so poor its hard to believe, possibly the worst individual performance since the Diawara days
Robinson should have been binned at the end of last season. He's just not good enough. Boyata isn't a full back, he's a centre half being played out of position. We needed two quality full backs in the summer but it's difficult to attract players like that with the money we had to spend.
Well there is 4M worth of 'talent' in Alonso and Wheater, neither are deemed an improvement on the shite, in the team by our illustrious leader. We can't afford to waste money like that! Not having the money excuse, hes been backed to bring in 8 this summer. Mostly ones he's been chasing for a long time. If he can't pick and organise from what he's got there are others who can!

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Post by BL3 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:41 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Not having the money excuse, hes been backed to bring in 8 this summer.
'Backed'? We spent what we brought in.

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Post by Peter Thompson » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:41 pm

chaddy_bwfc wrote:Jesus! we're 5 games into a season! 3 of them were against utd, city and liverpool, we were never expecting to get much, if anything out of them. Fair enough we played awful in the united and the game today, but we've not been given a chance to get a decent run going with these fixtures.
Yes we need to make changes defensively and maybe klasnic's red card could be a blessing in disguise because now it forces OC into a change up front. But come on, there's no need to be calling OC clueless and spineless 5 games into a season. Anyone would think we're bottom of the league going into the last 10 games of the season!
Did you actually sit through the whole 90 mins today and post that ?

We played a truly average, talentless, winless Norwich side today with a team determined to bounce back after playing the big boys -it was no fecking different at all.

Based on what I've seen since that capitulation at Wembley - the team are spineless and certainly are not playing for the fans or the manager and Owen Coyle is tactically naive & clueless. have we not just lost 8 or 9 out of 10 league games with 5 successive home defeats ?

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