Aaaaaaaaanyway, Norwich at Home.

[LiOC]

Based on today's performance only - all three are no better than we had last season, I was very disappointed by all three of them today against a really average Norwich side of which I had heard of non of their players. I can't believe anyone who rated Boyata today (he's young and will improve a lot but today defensively he was really poor)

Reo-Coker and Pratley replaced Joey O'Brien and Tamir Cohen, O'Brien obviously made no contribution, Cohen made one of note, that fantastic header against Arsenal. Based on this game and JOB and Cohen's entire last season I would say they are much better options. Reo-Coker also looks like a leader, which we have in no other part of the field.

Boyata wasn't great today, although I don't think he was terrible, just average for me but to be fair he is out of position. Would much rather see him on for the walking disaster that is Zat Knight. Is Steinsson injured btw? Or are we now putting no full backs on the bench purposely?

For what it's worth, I'd like Riley to be given another shot in the cup.

[davroduk]

Well I didnt even go today but think that everyone was shite/brilliant.
Them that wernt shite were brilliant......
Them that wernt brilliant were shite.....
Or have I got that the wrong way around ?????
How long before the Coyle Out thread starts...........
Not feckin long reading some of the posts on here.
As someone has said......... "put it behind you and move on"
If we are in the mire after 10 games then ok start to worry a bit, but with only 5 games gone (2 against possibly the top 2 teams this season) and 1 against Liverpool then RELAX !!!!!!!!
DONT FECKIN PANIC !!!!!!!!!!
ITS ONLY A COMMERCIAL !!!!!!!!!

[BWFC_Insane]

Well I didnt even go today but think that everyone was shite/brilliant.
Them that wernt shite were brilliant......
Them that wernt brilliant were shite.....
Or have I got that the wrong way around ?????
How long before the Coyle Out thread starts...........
Not feckin long reading some of the posts on here.
As someone has said......... "put it behind you and move on"
If we are in the mire after 10 games then ok start to worry a bit, but with only 5 games gone (2 against possibly the top 2 teams this season) and 1 against Liverpool then RELAX !!!!!!!!
DONT FECKIN PANIC !!!!!!!!!!
ITS ONLY A COMMERCIAL !!!!!!!!!

Easy to say when you haven't just had the misery of watching that. As one of my mates said on the way out, who exactly can you see us getting three points off? Right now I'm struggling to see where the next win is coming from, looking at the fixtures, really not too sure. The ten game mark will be on us all too soon!

[plymouth wanderer]

Jesus! we're 5 games into a season! 3 of them were against utd, city and liverpool, we were never expecting to get much, if anything out of them. Fair enough we played awful in the united and the game today, but we've not been given a chance to get a decent run going with these fixtures.
Yes we need to make changes defensively and maybe klasnic's red card could be a blessing in disguise because now it forces OC into a change up front. But come on, there's no need to be calling OC clueless and spineless 5 games into a season. Anyone would think we're bottom of the league going into the last 10 games of the season!

Exactly right. Knees breaking jaws all over the place here. Yes, it was an awful game, but it was that way because our shambles of a defence let them score two basically soft goals in the first half...er again? Who gets the stick... the forwards? How much ball did we get into their box first half exactly? My count was hardly at all. Nice pretty passing in our own half that led to nothing and inevitably went backwards. They did what we didn't, man-marked and hassled us off the ball time and time again. That soft Jessy of a defender got Klasnic sent off purposely by throwing himself down for a brush of eyebrows and we play with ten, so OC drops Davies. Add to that the twunker-king of referees and fighting uphill ain't in it.

Everybody looks for scapegoats and KD is flavour of the month (flavour of the year forsome). If the defence manned up and stopped playing panic-ball we might just look like a football team. Put it behind and move on. If axe-weilding is in order, it should start at the back not the front. Add to that that finding space helps and we're not top of the league at that either and that's hardly the forwards' fault.. Add again constant two-mile goalkicks to one man with nobody with enough savvy to get near him.

Solution, drop the captain. Great.

The biggest problem first half was tempo. You are asking your midfield to do an awful lot to get the ball down, pass and move and be incisive when there is no movement ahead of them. Davies was static all game, takes 93 touches to control a ball and doesn't win very much in the air either. Our midfield wasn't any better second half but the big difference was NGog actually bothered to move and ran off the ball to open up space, he also provided a threat in behind. Added to that he won a decent amount in the air, held it up well and could control a ball get it out of feet and run at the back four without taking 93 touches to bring the ball under control. If you cant see that then you are blind. Davies is meant to be the captain but he doesn't so much leading, seems quite happy to put his head down shrug his shoulders and disappear. He's been shite this season, everyone AT the games can see it, even Coyle can see it which is why he's hoiking him off every game, first sub. NGog showed second half what a forward needs to do in this division, show pace and movement, a good first touch, bring others into the game and sometimes run at defenders. Davies is offering none of that, fooking none!

not very often but i totally agree with this

i am sick of seeing him diving and waving his arms around trying to win free kicks cus basically that's all he can do now (which he still get's fook all)
when he does happen to win an header it goes to no one and when he's in the team jussi, knight, robbo,will just keep lumping useless balls upto him that will come to nothing and will come straight back at us

he's legend and always will be and i will never forget what he has done for the club but the time is now to start using him sparingly IMO

[Horza]

Exactly right. Knees breaking jaws all over the place here. Yes, it was an awful game, but it was that way because our shambles of a defence let them score two basically soft goals in the first half...er again? Who gets the stick... the forwards? How much ball did we get into their box first half exactly? My count was hardly at all. Nice pretty passing in our own half that led to nothing and inevitably went backwards. They did what we didn't, man-marked and hassled us off the ball time and time again. That soft Jessy of a defender got Klasnic sent off purposely by throwing himself down for a brush of eyebrows and we play with ten, so OC drops Davies. Add to that the twunker-king of referees and fighting uphill ain't in it.

Everybody looks for scapegoats and KD is flavour of the month (flavour of the year forsome). If the defence manned up and stopped playing panic-ball we might just look like a football team. Put it behind and move on. If axe-weilding is in order, it should start at the back not the front. Add to that that finding space helps and we're not top of the league at that either and that's hardly the forwards' fault.. Add again constant two-mile goalkicks to one man with nobody with enough savvy to get near him.

Solution, drop the captain. Great.

The biggest problem first half was tempo. You are asking your midfield to do an awful lot to get the ball down, pass and move and be incisive when there is no movement ahead of them. Davies was static all game, takes 93 touches to control a ball and doesn't win very much in the air either. Our midfield wasn't any better second half but the big difference was NGog actually bothered to move and ran off the ball to open up space, he also provided a threat in behind. Added to that he won a decent amount in the air, held it up well and could control a ball get it out of feet and run at the back four without taking 93 touches to bring the ball under control. If you cant see that then you are blind. Davies is meant to be the captain but he doesn't so much leading, seems quite happy to put his head down shrug his shoulders and disappear. He's been shite this season, everyone AT the games can see it, even Coyle can see it which is why he's hoiking him off every game, first sub. NGog showed second half what a forward needs to do in this division, show pace and movement, a good first touch, bring others into the game and sometimes run at defenders. Davies is offering none of that, fooking none!

Bang on.

Forwards have to pressure the backline, force turnovers, win balls, keep them in their own half - Elmo did that tirelessly, Studge was a master at it but it's just not Capt. Fantastic and Klasnic's game.

Without that movement and harrying we don't have anything going forward and our midfield gets overrun.

Coyle has had textbook examples of this, Wembley being just one of them. His answer has been to double down and it's got us to this point.

[Turkish Trotter]

QPR 0 BWFC 4, Europe here we come !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWFC 1 Norwich 2 Relegation fodder, Ferkin useless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets get things in perspective. If we can finish between 8th and 14th its a good season.

[LiOC]

he's legend and always will be and i will never forget what he has done for the club but the time is now to start using him sparingly IMO

To be honest, I think we're losing out in more than one way by not using him as a substitute. Who would defenders want to see less when we're chasing the game or drawing it with 20 minutes to go and legs tiring than a fresh Kevin Davies? He'll serve us well as an impact sub I feel, but not as a starter!

[TANGODANCER]

The biggest problem first half was tempo. You are asking your midfield to do an awful lot to get the ball down, pass and move and be incisive when there is no movement ahead of them. Davies was static all game, takes 93 touches to control a ball and doesn't win very much in the air either. Our midfield wasn't any better second half but the big difference was NGog actually bothered to move and ran off the ball to open up space, he also provided a threat in behind. Added to that he won a decent amount in the air, held it up well and could control a ball get it out of feet and run at the back four without taking 93 touches to bring the ball under control. If you cant see that then you are blind. Davies is meant to be the captain but he doesn't so much leading, seems quite happy to put his head down shrug his shoulders and disappear. He's been shite this season, everyone AT the games can see it, even Coyle can see it which is why he's hoiking him off every game, first sub. NGog showed second half what a forward needs to do in this division, show pace and movement, a good first touch, bring others into the game and sometimes run at defenders. Davies is offering none of that, fooking none!

Ah, right. Watching them all doesn't count then. You have to be AT them. Fair enough.

"Every game" equals twice up to now then? Fair enough again. I bow to your superior judgement.

[Peter Thompson]

Re: Boyata - I like him as a player but today just watch the 90 mins back....he was poor

How anyone can say he looked OK today is behond me - 2nd half he got forward into midfield and made a few good passes but defensively & positionally it was as poor a defensive display as I've seen in a long time. Perhaps he's shocked at the level of shite he's playing with ?

Today's performance in general from the whole team was an absolute disgrace....but as I've said before our shape & formation from start to finish was all over the place. I really am very surprised at how poor Coyle is tactically with 11 men or 10 men - he's a fecking dinosaur.

[BWFC_Insane]

The biggest problem first half was tempo. You are asking your midfield to do an awful lot to get the ball down, pass and move and be incisive when there is no movement ahead of them. Davies was static all game, takes 93 touches to control a ball and doesn't win very much in the air either. Our midfield wasn't any better second half but the big difference was NGog actually bothered to move and ran off the ball to open up space, he also provided a threat in behind. Added to that he won a decent amount in the air, held it up well and could control a ball get it out of feet and run at the back four without taking 93 touches to bring the ball under control. If you cant see that then you are blind. Davies is meant to be the captain but he doesn't so much leading, seems quite happy to put his head down shrug his shoulders and disappear. He's been shite this season, everyone AT the games can see it, even Coyle can see it which is why he's hoiking him off every game, first sub. NGog showed second half what a forward needs to do in this division, show pace and movement, a good first touch, bring others into the game and sometimes run at defenders. Davies is offering none of that, fooking none!

Ah, right. Watching them all doesn't count then. You have to be AT them. Fair enough.

"Every game" equals twice up to now then? Fair enough again. I bow to your superior judgement.

Liverpool, Man Utd and today. That being 3 games Coyle had hoiked him off in. At the Reebok today to a man everyone can see it. Tell me one reason Davies should stay in the side, give me one thing he's offering the team right now......

[TANGODANCER]

The biggest problem first half was tempo. You are asking your midfield to do an awful lot to get the ball down, pass and move and be incisive when there is no movement ahead of them. Davies was static all game, takes 93 touches to control a ball and doesn't win very much in the air either. Our midfield wasn't any better second half but the big difference was NGog actually bothered to move and ran off the ball to open up space, he also provided a threat in behind. Added to that he won a decent amount in the air, held it up well and could control a ball get it out of feet and run at the back four without taking 93 touches to bring the ball under control. If you cant see that then you are blind. Davies is meant to be the captain but he doesn't so much leading, seems quite happy to put his head down shrug his shoulders and disappear. He's been shite this season, everyone AT the games can see it, even Coyle can see it which is why he's hoiking him off every game, first sub. NGog showed second half what a forward needs to do in this division, show pace and movement, a good first touch, bring others into the game and sometimes run at defenders. Davies is offering none of that, fooking none!

Ah, right. Watching them all doesn't count then. You have to be AT them. Fair enough.

"Every game" equals twice up to now then? Fair enough again. I bow to your superior judgement.

Liverpool, Man Utd and today. That being 3 games Coyle had hoiked him off in. At the Reebok today to a man everyone can see it. Tell me one reason Davies should stay in the side, give me one thing he's offering the team right now......

I'd never be so bold as to state what anyone else thinks. Some poll you did there.

[plymouth wanderer]

he's legend and always will be and i will never forget what he has done for the club but the time is now to start using him sparingly IMO

To be honest, I think we're losing out in more than one way by not using him as a substitute. Who would defenders want to see less when we're chasing the game or drawing it with 20 minutes to go and legs tiring than a fresh Kevin Davies? He'll serve us well as an impact sub I feel, but not as a starter!

that's what i ment by sparingly

[BWFC_Insane]

The biggest problem first half was tempo. You are asking your midfield to do an awful lot to get the ball down, pass and move and be incisive when there is no movement ahead of them. Davies was static all game, takes 93 touches to control a ball and doesn't win very much in the air either. Our midfield wasn't any better second half but the big difference was NGog actually bothered to move and ran off the ball to open up space, he also provided a threat in behind. Added to that he won a decent amount in the air, held it up well and could control a ball get it out of feet and run at the back four without taking 93 touches to bring the ball under control. If you cant see that then you are blind. Davies is meant to be the captain but he doesn't so much leading, seems quite happy to put his head down shrug his shoulders and disappear. He's been shite this season, everyone AT the games can see it, even Coyle can see it which is why he's hoiking him off every game, first sub. NGog showed second half what a forward needs to do in this division, show pace and movement, a good first touch, bring others into the game and sometimes run at defenders. Davies is offering none of that, fooking none!

Ah, right. Watching them all doesn't count then. You have to be AT them. Fair enough.

"Every game" equals twice up to now then? Fair enough again. I bow to your superior judgement.

Liverpool, Man Utd and today. That being 3 games Coyle had hoiked him off in. At the Reebok today to a man everyone can see it. Tell me one reason Davies should stay in the side, give me one thing he's offering the team right now......

I'd never be so bold as to state what anyone else thinks. Some poll you did there.

You haven't given me the one thing he offers, it's certainly not goals, or pace or ability to run at a back four. It's not winning lots of headers or creating space. It's not great lay offs or bringing others into play, or movement to create space. So come on what is it he is offering the team right now?

[William the White]

Just home after the post-match pint...

The first half was a total shambles.

So great idea, after going two down, to go down to ten men.

The second half was better. And after we scored (looked a really soft pen to me) we put some pressure on and it looked likely that eleven men could have squeezed out a point...

Norwich got what they deserved. They worked twice as hard as us and scored twice as many goals.

Wake up call, Bolton!

[LiOC]

he's legend and always will be and i will never forget what he has done for the club but the time is now to start using him sparingly IMO

To be honest, I think we're losing out in more than one way by not using him as a substitute. Who would defenders want to see less when we're chasing the game or drawing it with 20 minutes to go and legs tiring than a fresh Kevin Davies? He'll serve us well as an impact sub I feel, but not as a starter!

that's what i ment by sparingly

I was agreeing with you. Sorry, shouldn't have quoted you as it doesn't read right.

Just pointing out that not only do we free up the starting places for somebody with more of an impact, but we get a potentially great Super sub too! Win/Win!

[plymouth wanderer]

my bad mate

let's just hope coyle see's it that way

[BWFC_Insane]

You never know, if Davies is left out for a decent run of games, he might start trying again!

[thebish]

Right now I'm struggling to see where the next win is coming from,

to be fair - that statement would always be true - wouldn't it?

[BWFC_Insane]

Right now I'm struggling to see where the next win is coming from,

to be fair - that statement would always be true - wouldn't it?

I thought we'd bloody win today!

[Dr.Karl]

Phil Neville has been benched for Everton in the last two games so why is our club captain above it? This decline in Davo's form hasn't happened overnight, its been going for 12-18 months but it seems the majority are clocking on this season. Don't get me wrong I think he still has a part to play, he'd be quite effective when we're chasing games but isn't nowhere near a regular PL starter anymore. I think Coyle feels the same but he hasn't had the heart to drop him just yet. Boy do we miss Elmander.

I thought Boyatta looked quite good at RB, would actually prefer to see him partner Cahill with Steiner/Ricketts at right back. At least we'll be without the terrible Knight. It really needs Coyle to make some bold decisions, if anything just to stop this rot.