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Re: Aaaaaaaaanyway, Norwich at Home

Post by Annoyed Grunt » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:39 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
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BWFC_Insane wrote: Right now I'm struggling to see where the next win is coming from,
to be fair - that statement would always be true - wouldn't it? :wink:
I thought we'd bloody win today!
As did.I...and possibly quite a lot of us did.

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Re: Aaaaaaaaanyway, Norwich at Home.

Post by LiOC » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:46 pm

Dr.Karl wrote:Phil Neville has been benched for Everton in the last two games so why is our club captain above it? This decline in Davo's form hasn't happened overnight, its been going for 12-18 months but it seems the majority are clocking on this season. Don't get me wrong I think he still has a part to play, he'd be quite effective when we're chasing games but isn't nowhere near a regular PL starter anymore. I think Coyle feels the same but he hasn't had the heart to drop him just yet. Boy do we miss Elmander.
I thought Boyatta looked quite good at RB, would actually prefer to see him partner Cahill with Steiner/Ricketts at right back. At least we'll be without the terrible Knight. It really needs Coyle to make some bold decisions, if anything just to stop this rot.
Things aren't that bad yet are they?! At least he isn't shipping Davies to right wing/centre mid just to keep him in the team like the aforementioned though

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Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:50 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote: You haven't given me the one thing he offers, it's certainly not goals, or pace or ability to run at a back four. It's not winning lots of headers or creating space. It's not great lay offs or bringing others into play, or movement to create space. So come on what is it he is offering the team right now?
Well, since you and everybody at The Reebok decided nothing, what's point?
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:55 pm

When's Ricketts back? Would offer options across the back line... Including on the left...

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:06 pm

Oh and just to finish us all off, this is our worst run of home form ever, in the clubs history!

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Post by William the White » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:17 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote: You haven't given me the one thing he offers, it's certainly not goals, or pace or ability to run at a back four. It's not winning lots of headers or creating space. It's not great lay offs or bringing others into play, or movement to create space. So come on what is it he is offering the team right now?
Well, since you and everybody at The Reebok decided nothing, what's point?
I'm not sure which players last week or today brought very much to the game...

Five games... Davies played OK against QPR, played well against Manchester City and terribly against Liverpool (I'm told - was, thankfully, on hols), the FRS and today - that is, three games in which all the rest of the team, with the exception of Reo-Coker, and, arguably, Petrov, also played terribly...

But the writing is clearly on the wall, when OC has him first sub three games on the run. And David Ngog was bought for a reason. And this is absolutely as it should be. Davies has been a fixture for so long, under four different managers, that he can only be shifted by the demonstrably better. Coyle is giving Ngog the chance to demonstrate it. He is taking it. Klasnic's stupidity today may actually give Davies the chance of forming a partnership with a younger, more mobile, infinitely faster player, and extend his time in the team. I expect Coyle to take that option. And then make him first sub for Tuncay behind Ngog...

I hope it goes that way.

Tuncay can't play on the wing on today's evidence. Put him in his right position as first sub, and have a look.

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Post by Armchair Wanderer » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:44 pm

William the White wrote:But the writing is clearly on the wall, when OC has him first sub three games on the run. And David Ngog was bought for a reason. And this is absolutely as it should be. Davies has been a fixture for so long, under four different managers, that he can only be shifted by the demonstrably better. Coyle is giving Ngog the chance to demonstrate it. He is taking it. Klasnic's stupidity today may actually give Davies the chance of forming a partnership with a younger, more mobile, infinitely faster player, and extend his time in the team. I expect Coyle to take that option. And then make him first sub for Tuncay behind Ngog...

I hope it goes that way.

Tuncay can't play on the wing on today's evidence. Put him in his right position as first sub, and have a look.
I agree with you about Ngog and the Klasnic situation.

Agree about Tuncay, he needs to be just off the striker imho.

If he drops SKD it's a huge step, someone else has to write in the programme, it can't really be undone once it's done. If we had a disastrous result now (ala W*mbley) that might be the catalyst, unfortunately losing against the better teams and today's narrow-ish defeat isn't gonna get SKD onto the bench.

Didn't see what happened with Klasnic, "looking forward" to MOTD to see it. After someone ran into him earlier, then someone caught him just after you could see he might have got frustrated, especially if someone said something or did something afterwards.
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:49 pm

I think its only just sinking in with people at last season Elmander did all KDs running for him.

And when Davies struggled was when he was expected to do some running himself.

Now with no Elmander running further than anyone else in the team, Davies looks like a busted flush, same as towards the end of last season.

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Post by Annoyed Grunt » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:52 pm

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

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Post by Armchair Wanderer » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:59 pm

I'm not a STH so I probably look at the wrong things half the time but I thought Boyata was ok today. I'd have to see their goals back to see if he was at fault but apart from them he was generally very good defensively and the pass through to Ngog that led to the penalty was also very good. It seemed like players would rather give the ball to him to distribute than Eagles.
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Post by mrpiccollo » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:32 pm

ok im looking for positives

eagles ngog and boyata all played well second half

skd dropped and klasnic out on a ban means we can try diffrent pairings sooner

if we had 11 men 2nd half we would have got a point

as for our defence we need to start playing the offside trap again instead of this shambles we have been doing
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Post by Hoboh » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:44 pm

Sammy Lee returns!!! I don't give a feck who we have been playing we have a soft core as delia's mob proved today!!! Coyle get your act together or feck off! Burnleys bubble burst while you were there in the Prem defence is a little more important than in the championship.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:48 pm

The challenge on Klasnic should have seen red. Didn't even get spoken to. Klasnic gets a red because of a cheating asshole and goes off. I was howling at both this afternoon and MOTD had me fuming all over again. Webb is a first class prxck.
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Re: Aaaaaaaaanyway, Norwich at Home.

Post by CrazyHorse » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:49 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:Webb is a first class prxck.
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Post by William the White » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:56 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:The challenge on Klasnic should have seen red. Didn't even get spoken to. Klasnic gets a red because of a cheating asshole and goes off. I was howling at both this afternoon and MOTD had me fuming all over again. Webb is a first class prxck.
Klasnic - stupid. Stupidity, not ref, led to his red card. Idiot, idiot, idiot. Webb may be a first class prick, but he did his job correctly when he sent Klasnic off. And we all know it. If we're honest.

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Post by Prufrock » Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:01 am

Well. To start with, imagine working your arse off to get to a world cup final and discover that bald preening look at me cnut is in charge. Demands to be centre show. The first goal was never a corner in a billion years. But that dickhead looks up, sees Jussi has the ball down for a goal kick, our defence have trotted off, their midfield have retreated to the half way line, but decides the noise he heard, their bloke kicking Robbo with his follow through makes it a corner. Then, having booked Jussi for being the whinging bastard he is sees fit to not even book their centre half for a, literally, Shumacher on Battison bad assault on Klasnic. Then there is the Klasnic red card, which at the time from a distance I thought he had got right. Having seen match of the day it's a fecking joke. Tierney should be getting a call from the FA on Monday. He squared up to him, which was stupid, but he didn't even nut him. At the time I thought their freekick for the second, and our penalty were both soft, but having seen match of the day, were both right. Guess who didn't give them. Well done linesman. Also, that joke with the whole team stopping when the linesman gave a freekick but Webb didn't. They all want shooting for stopping. But he didn't wave for advantage. He looked at Morrison and told him to carry on. Fecking coaching them the prick.

As for the game. First half was an utter shambles. Sure we should have been playing ten, but we were utterly outclassed by a Norwich team, despite taking stick from many on here, I thought were very good. Pace, movement, a well drilled system. Average players like Hoolahan, but playing a system they know well and ripped us to shreds. At least now at least one of Tuncay or N'Gog, who I thought was excellent, have to come in. Eagles is a nothing player. Petrov was standard good going forward, wank at the back, should be penalty taker. Reo-Coker was, again, a class above. If I were him I'd be doing voodoo to get Holden back. Rest want shooting. Fecking pish. What it comes down to though, again, is that the manager picked the wrong team. Bad feeling he'll ring the changes for Arsenal and Chelsea, and when we get beat, go back to that shit. Massive test for him atm in my eyes.
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Post by Prufrock » Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:03 am

William the White wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:The challenge on Klasnic should have seen red. Didn't even get spoken to. Klasnic gets a red because of a cheating asshole and goes off. I was howling at both this afternoon and MOTD had me fuming all over again. Webb is a first class prxck.
Klasnic - stupid. Stupidity, not ref, led to his red card. Idiot, idiot, idiot. Webb may be a first class prick, but he did his job correctly when he sent Klasnic off. And we all know it. If we're honest.
As was my thought at first. But he didn't even nut him. Just squared up to him. It was unnecessary, and daft, but if that is a red card and the assault on him by Barnett is a talking to I fecking give up on the way the game has gone. Embarrasing fall to the floor. Shit.
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Post by Hoboh » Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:07 am

The ref did not give a dodgy penalty nor allow a clear offside goal against us so stop looking for feckin excuses!!! We were shit and disorganised when defending as usual and again it cost us Coyle better get this right damm quick or we will be in the shit with potenially the best squad we've had for a good while!

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Post by Wandering Willy » Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:08 am

Prufrock wrote:
William the White wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:The challenge on Klasnic should have seen red. Didn't even get spoken to. Klasnic gets a red because of a cheating asshole and goes off. I was howling at both this afternoon and MOTD had me fuming all over again. Webb is a first class prxck.
Klasnic - stupid. Stupidity, not ref, led to his red card. Idiot, idiot, idiot. Webb may be a first class prick, but he did his job correctly when he sent Klasnic off. And we all know it. If we're honest.
As was my thought at first. But he didn't even nut him. Just squared up to him. It was unnecessary, and daft, but if that is a red card and the assault on him by Barnett is a talking to I fecking give up on the way the game has gone. Embarrasing fall to the floor. Shit.
Agreed Pru. There may have been minimal contact but to go down like that and roll around in the floor is shameful.

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Re: Aaaaaaaaanyway, Norwich at Home.

Post by Hoboh » Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:12 am

Wake up will you and stop blameing the ref!!! our feckin non existance defence is to blame Steve Davis OUT!!!

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