The Politics Thread

[TANGODANCER]

The Man Who Would Be King was on the other day. Every time I see it it gets better. I'm inclined to think it was Caine's best work now. Sorry for the deviation.

Sorry to for carrying on the deviation, but you do mean after Zulu, Get Carter and The Italian Job don't you?

[William the White]

The Man Who Would Be King was on the other day. Every time I see it it gets better. I'm inclined to think it was Caine's best work now. Sorry for the deviation.

Sorry to for carrying on the deviation, but you do mean after Zulu, Get Carter and The Italian Job don't you?

No, he doesn't. And what's wrong with Alfie?

[TANGODANCER]

The Man Who Would Be King was on the other day. Every time I see it it gets better. I'm inclined to think it was Caine's best work now. Sorry for the deviation.

Sorry to for carrying on the deviation, but you do mean after Zulu, Get Carter and The Italian Job don't you?

No, he doesn't. And what's wrong with Alfie?

Nothing at all, just not in my top three.

[Bijou Bob]

Back on the Liam Fox thingy, it seems strange to me that after several days of Twitter (apparently) running amok with rumours about his sexuality, only today have the mainstream press referred to it without disguising it with euphemism.

Is politics, along with football, now one of the few work arenas in which being gay is considered something to hide? Would we respect Haig, Coe and Fox just a little more if they came out, were honest and stopped the pretence??

[thebish]

Back on the Liam Fox thingy, it seems strange to me that after several days of Twitter (apparently) running amok with rumours about his sexuality, only today have the mainstream press referred to it without disguising it with euphemism.

Is politics, along with football, now one of the few work arenas in which being gay is considered something to hide? Would we respect Haig, Coe and Fox just a little more if they came out, were honest and stopped the pretence??

I suspect we would - but it is complicated by the fact that Haig and Fox are married - and so it is also (allegedly) about infidelity...

[Hoboh]

Back on the Liam Fox thingy, it seems strange to me that after several days of Twitter (apparently) running amok with rumours about his sexuality, only today have the mainstream press referred to it without disguising it with euphemism.

Is politics, along with football, now one of the few work arenas in which being gay is considered something to hide? Would we respect Haig, Coe and Fox just a little more if they came out, were honest and stopped the pretence??

It still is with so many bigots about, dont bother me anyway but some will describe it as evil and against the will of which ever God they back

[thebish]

Back on the Liam Fox thingy, it seems strange to me that after several days of Twitter (apparently) running amok with rumours about his sexuality, only today have the mainstream press referred to it without disguising it with euphemism.

Is politics, along with football, now one of the few work arenas in which being gay is considered something to hide? Would we respect Haig, Coe and Fox just a little more if they came out, were honest and stopped the pretence??

It still is with so many bigots about, dont bother me anyway but some will describe it as evil and against the will of which ever God they back

indeed - and there is also no shortage of bigoted homophobes amongst those who "back" no God at all...

[Hoboh]

Back on the Liam Fox thingy, it seems strange to me that after several days of Twitter (apparently) running amok with rumours about his sexuality, only today have the mainstream press referred to it without disguising it with euphemism.

Is politics, along with football, now one of the few work arenas in which being gay is considered something to hide? Would we respect Haig, Coe and Fox just a little more if they came out, were honest and stopped the pretence??

It still is with so many bigots about, dont bother me anyway but some will describe it as evil and against the will of which ever God they back

indeed - and there is also no shortage of bigoted homophobes amongst those who "back" no God at all...

Not a dig bish, promise, not a dig, just a lot of anti gays use the "against Gods teaching" line. Wonder how they cope with duel sex animal/insects etc

[thebish]

Back on the Liam Fox thingy, it seems strange to me that after several days of Twitter (apparently) running amok with rumours about his sexuality, only today have the mainstream press referred to it without disguising it with euphemism.

Is politics, along with football, now one of the few work arenas in which being gay is considered something to hide? Would we respect Haig, Coe and Fox just a little more if they came out, were honest and stopped the pretence??

It still is with so many bigots about, dont bother me anyway but some will describe it as evil and against the will of which ever God they back

indeed - and there is also no shortage of bigoted homophobes amongst those who "back" no God at all...

Not a dig bish, promise, not a dig, just a lot of anti gays use the "against Gods teaching" line. Wonder how they cope with duel sex animal/insects etc

I suspect that for most people who use God-arguments to back up homophobia - it is merely a convenient cover for something they personally find distasteful - the "yuk" factor, if you like... and they'd be homophobic regardless...

[Prufrock]

That yuk factor is socially engineered though. And if you trace that social engineering back, you'll find the Bible behind a large part of it. There is no other logical starting point than religion. Scientifically you could argue homosexuality is pointless (though adoption theory would be against you), but it is difficult to argue it is 'wrong'.

[thebish]

There is no other logical starting point than religion.

...not convinced... (but that wasn't the issue I was responding to anyway - merely the idea that the homophobes are just religious people... simply not so...)

[Lord Kangana]

Religion gets a bad press. Its just another form of man hiding behind something to justify his less than altruistic motives. Its not a natural state of affairs, we as a species invented it.

Unless of course you actually believe any of it....

[Worthy4England]

That yuk factor is socially engineered though. And if you trace that social engineering back, you'll find the Bible behind a large part of it. There is no other logical starting point than religion. Scientifically you could argue homosexuality is pointless (though adoption theory would be against you), but it is difficult to argue it is 'wrong'.

Other than the minor point that to have anything to adopt requires bits of manstuff and bits of womanstuff.

I think I'll stick with my quaint notion that it's against the general wellbeing of the human race not to procreate until everyones evolved to be hermaphrodites, at which point they can all go and fcuk themselves.

[thebish]

good to see we are getting REALLY tough on those there bankers....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011 ... NTCMP=SRCH

[TANGODANCER]

I blame Ivanhoe. Way back, Isaac of York and his banker mates chucked a few bob in to ransom Richard the Lionheart back from Austria. Must have struck a deal that's been going on ever since..

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Oh no - Trotsky and Lenin all over again. This could get very messy guys!

Naah... I surrendered... But, as a matter of historical reference - did you mean trotsky and stalin?

You know, I think I did mean Stalin Will, on reflection. You're more up to speed on the subject than I am, I have no doubt.

[BWFC_Insane]

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Said it would happen with this Tory government when they were elected.

They are doing irrepairable damage to this country, its economy, and it's people.

An absolute disgrace in every way, and surprise surprise, the worst affected parts of the country are in the North again.

Fook off Cameron you shambolic nice person!

[Hoboh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15271800

Said it would happen with is Tory government when they were elected.

They are doing irrepairable damage to this country, its economy, and it's people.

An absolute disgrace in every way, and surprise surprise, the worst affected parts of the country are in the North again.

Fook off Cameron you shambolic tw*t!

As opposed to what? treble that out of work if labour run out of money and carried on bailing banks and everyone else out? Who was in power when we invaded Iraq/Afgahnistan, who kept denying the public the right to vote on greater European intigration? Who gave young ones false hopes that Education, Education on lower levels would be "alright" and even failed to deliver this? Oh yes I forgot it was Tory Blair and inept Gordon, pal of the dodgy financial institutions, tory's in disguise wasn't it? Shame on you re-writing recent history to suit your socialist views!!!

[BWFC_Insane]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15271800

Said it would happen with is Tory government when they were elected.

They are doing irrepairable damage to this country, its economy, and it's people.

An absolute disgrace in every way, and surprise surprise, the worst affected parts of the country are in the North again.

Fook off Cameron you shambolic tw*t!

As opposed to what? treble that out of work if labour run out of money and carried on bailing banks and everyone else out? Who was in power when we invaded Iraq/Afgahnistan, who kept denying the public the right to vote on greater European intigration? Who gave young ones false hopes that Education, Education on lower levels would be "alright" and even failed to deliver this? Oh yes I forgot it was Tory Blair and inept Gordon, pal of the dodgy financial institutions, tory's in disguise wasn't it? Shame on you re-writing recent history to suit your socialist views!!!

But that's shit. Under Labour we had growth in the economy as it started to recover, good public services, the best NHS we ever had and a realisation that yes there had to be some cuts, because of the GLOBAL recession. But we had a government who knew that making more and more people unemployed, slashing public services and destroying the NHS would not make things better.

Now we have an economy that has ground to a halt, rising unemployment worse than it has been it 17 years, an NHS in turmoil with patient care standards declining, public services that local communities depended on being exterminated, and the deficit is not being reduced.

[BWFC_Insane]