owen out

[Hoboh]

For me, it's not so much that's we've lost 12 of our last 14 Premiership games, but the fact that we've looked disinterested and hopelessly lacking belief.

Now, considering Coyle is someone who's portrayed in the media as being a 'motivator' (I'm not even getting into his tactical nous or his apparent lack thereof), he's spectacularly failing at his job.

Yep. Let's face it the only ones who aren't questioning Coyle are the ones who were so blinded by hate against Megson that they lost all sense of reason. And are now stuck with desperately trying to make excuses for why this terrible form is now acceptable. The same ones who kept saying we are 'an established premiership club we shouldnt accept being so shit and have small club mentality it's all Megsons fault'

Seem to be the only ones excusing the most depressingly shit, dull lifeless displays we've seen since we came back to the premiership!

blown out the water!!!

I was Megsons biggest not fan and OC is walking the line for me right now!!!

[BWFC_Insane]

For me, it's not so much that's we've lost 12 of our last 14 Premiership games, but the fact that we've looked disinterested and hopelessly lacking belief.

Now, considering Coyle is someone who's portrayed in the media as being a 'motivator' (I'm not even getting into his tactical nous or his apparent lack thereof), he's spectacularly failing at his job.

Yep. Let's face it the only ones who aren't questioning Coyle are the ones who were so blinded by hate against Megson that they lost all sense of reason. And are now stuck with desperately trying to make excuses for why this terrible form is now acceptable. The same ones who kept saying we are 'an established premiership club we shouldnt accept being so shit and have small club mentality it's all Megsons fault'

Seem to be the only ones excusing the most depressingly shit, dull lifeless displays we've seen since we came back to the premiership!

blown out the water!!!

I was Megsons biggest not fan and OC is walking the line for me right now!!!

Nah you just hate everyone mate!

[Bruce Rioja]

Yep. Let's face it the only ones who aren't questioning Coyle are the ones who were so blinded by hate against Megson that they lost all sense of reason!

Yet more utter bollocks from you. Do you get up early to practice? You must do! Many of us gave Megson every opportunity in the same way we are with Coyle. What a fecking ridiculous statement to make. You expected wins against the top sides did you? Fine. Don't get me wrong, I left the ground yesterday every bit as pissed off as the next man, but then I didn't expect us to win at QPR or Wigan either, so how about adding a little context, or is that beyond you?

[Owen_Coyle]

Given my user name, which I selected long before he became our manager, I obviously don't want Owen to go. But we all know that NOT being in the PL is not to be even contemplated. We are struggling to afford keeping in there currently (always have probably) but I fear that our finances are such that we may never recover if we get relegated. So what I am saying is we have to turn this around, with or without Owen, somehow.

We all must agree that yesterday's performance was just not good enough. We flattered to deceive in the 1st half and were non-existent and completely devoid of ideas in the 2nd, and were beaten by a far better team, and most of us would agree that Sunderland are not that good either. A realisation I suggest of where we're at, that a team equally as inept as us beat us fairly easily in the end!!

My heads hurting with my own analysis and that of the others on here of where we are going wrong. If yesterday is anything to go by then there is a LOT wrong as, particularly in the 2nd half, we were clueless. I don't really know what is amiss, but going wrong we are !!

I thought the defence played well yesterday under extreme pressure (2nd). Didn't fully understand the decision to put Robbo at RB when Boyata went off as that immediately cut off any supply down that flank as he would never trust his swinger (right foot).

In Big Sam's day we always made it hard for opponents to score first and foremost and then set about scoring ourselves. Now if that is by defending further up the pitch or (the real reason I feel) keeping the ball better, then thats what we need to do. We need to get back to basics.

Or is it that the players we have now aren't good enough? I just don't know ???

But it was very depressing yesterday and something has to happen soon, no matter who is playing, or who is in charge.

[Hoboh]

Given my user name, which I selected long before he became our manager, I obviously don't want Owen to go. But we all know that NOT being in the PL is not to be even contemplated. We are struggling to afford keeping in there currently (always have probably) but I fear that our finances are such that we may never recover if we get relegated. So what I am saying is we have to turn this around, with or without Owen, somehow.

We all must agree that yesterday's performance was just not good enough. We flattered to deceive in the 1st half and were non-existent and completely devoid of ideas in the 2nd, and were beaten by a far better team, and most of us would agree that Sunderland are not that good either. A realisation I suggest of where we're at, that a team equally as inept as us beat us fairly easily in the end!!

My heads hurting with my own analysis and that of the others on here of where we are going wrong. If yesterday is anything to go by then there is a LOT wrong as, particularly in the 2nd half, we were clueless. I don't really know what is amiss, but going wrong we are !!

I thought the defence played well yesterday under extreme pressure (2nd). Didn't fully understand the decision to put Robbo at RB when Boyata went off as that immediately cut off any supply down that flank as he would never trust his swinger (right foot).

In Big Sam's day we always made it hard for opponents to score first and foremost and then set about scoring ourselves. Now if that is by defending further up the pitch or (the real reason I feel) keeping the ball better, then thats what we need to do. We need to get back to basics.

Or is it that the players we have now aren't good enough? I just don't know ???

But it was very depressing yesterday and something has to happen soon, no matter who is playing, or who is in charge.

I reckon that just about sums up the feelings of most on here, I was over the moon when Coyle came and I thought he was busy assembling a decent squad, the players we have are not with a couple of exceptions too bad and should be able to compete but it just ain't happening. So for me the answer has to rest with the management and training staff, they are not doing their jobs correctly.
Why sign players on loan using up our quota then not play them? If you don't think they can have an imeadiate impact, don't sign them then, whoever edits the videos for Coyle to watch should join the labour party they might just look electable! We are on a one way road to the championship if this carry's on no doubt about that and I wonder if there is more going on behind the scenes than we know? is the old guard getting in the way? are the strange powers of Megons day the "they" still around? is Owen a decent guy out of his depth? I don't know but Robbo and Davo would be blowing bubbles come January if it was my choice.
Lets see how we play and get on Saturday for me thats D Day for Coyle. I would love to be "up" for the game against the plastic Barca but given our current problems I couldn't care less, thanks Owen.

[CAPSLOCK]

but then I didn't expect us to win at QPR or Wigan either

Who did you think we'd beat?

[BWFC_Insane]

Yep. Let's face it the only ones who aren't questioning Coyle are the ones who were so blinded by hate against Megson that they lost all sense of reason!

Yet more utter bollocks from you. Do you get up early to practice? You must do! Many of us gave Megson every opportunity in the same way we are with Coyle. What a fecking ridiculous statement to make. You expected wins against the top sides did you? Fine. Don't get me wrong, I left the ground yesterday every bit as pissed off as the next man, but then I didn't expect us to win at QPR or Wigan either, so how about adding a little context, or is that beyond you?

The standard for the club is to stay in the premiership. That means getting 36-42 points in usual seasons to have a chance.

We are going to have to beat someone.

We have to stay in the league, the form we have shown over an extended period going back to last season does not suggest we will.

Norwich, coming up and spending not all that much, have beaten us at home, put in a respectable effort at Old Trafford despite losing, and drawn at Anfield.

You tell me why Coyle is incapable of matching that, and why we have lost at home to shite like Norwich and Sunderland, and are currently in the bottom three on the worst run of home form in the clubs history?

I think if questions aren't asked at this point then I'm really not sure when they would be.

I won't accept leaving Coyle there to take us down. We are not even at a point per game. A ratio that was always seen as an absolute disgrace under the previous guy!

[Hoboh]

Yep. Let's face it the only ones who aren't questioning Coyle are the ones who were so blinded by hate against Megson that they lost all sense of reason!

Yet more utter bollocks from you. Do you get up early to practice? You must do! Many of us gave Megson every opportunity in the same way we are with Coyle. What a fecking ridiculous statement to make. You expected wins against the top sides did you? Fine. Don't get me wrong, I left the ground yesterday every bit as pissed off as the next man, but then I didn't expect us to win at QPR or Wigan either, so how about adding a little context, or is that beyond you?

The standard for the club is to stay in the premiership. That means getting 36-42 points in usual seasons to have a chance.

We are going to have to beat someone.

We have to stay in the league, the form we have shown over an extended period going back to last season does not suggest we will.

Norwich, coming up and spending not all that much, have beaten us at home, put in a respectable effort at Old Trafford despite losing, and drawn at Anfield.

You tell me why Coyle is incapable of matching that, and why we have lost at home to shite like Norwich and Sunderland, and are currently in the bottom three on the worst run of home form in the clubs history?

I think if questions aren't asked at this point then I'm really not sure when they would be.

I won't accept leaving Coyle there to take us down. We are not even at a point per game. A ratio that was always seen as an absolute disgrace under the previous guy!

Oh do stop playing the St Megson card I'm feeling low enough now as it is!
Lets stick to "Owen where's it going wrong and what you going to do about it?

[Harry Genshaw]

The season Megson took over from Lee, Gartside gave him a lot of money to keep us up. To his credit he did that. The millions he spent then though (Steinsson, Taylor & Cahill, then later iirc Knight, Muamba & Elmander) we still haven't recovered from financially. As players get older, lose form or just dont fit into Coyles plans, he's had to build using limited resources.

The manner of some of our defeats leaves Coyle open to question but FFS we are Bolton. We're into our 11th unbroken season in the Premiership, a remarkable achievement. If it ends this year can anyone think of a better manager to get us back up?

Lets all get behind him. A change of manager is not the answer.

[a1]

The season Megson took over from Lee, Gartside gave him a lot of money to keep us up. To his credit he did that. The millions he spent then though (Steinsson, Taylor & Cahill, then later iirc Knight, Muamba & Elmander) we still haven't recovered from financially. As players get older, lose form or just dont fit into Coyles plans, he's had to build using limited resources.

The manner of some of our defeats leaves Coyle open to question but FFS we are Bolton. We're into our 11th unbroken season in the Premiership, a remarkable achievement. If it ends this year can anyone think of a better manager to get us back up?

Lets all get behind him. A change of manager is not the answer.

i dont wanna give him that chance.

what's worrying is coyle , allegedly despite having no money to spend coz megson or allardyce spent it all , is costing the club more money by dropping elmander / muamba / steinsson potentially go for free instad of the cheaper better option of playing them all the time so they sign new contracts. dont know if he's trying to downsize 'em or what (i remember megson making similar noises when he bought elmander and them, theyre on cheaper wages) but he's being a cheapskate for no reason.

the next manger will have even less to work with that he allegedly had. espesh if he takes them down.

but whatever. its that they dont look like they know what the feck theyre doing . thats more frightening.

for that reason alone , they should get rid. the other shit (piss poor signings , messin' muamba and them about , the 442 harlem globetrotter bollocks) just adds to it.

its sammy lee -esque.

theyre gonna have to sack him. get hughes (or souness) in and give him megson / allardyce sized budget and just 'eat' the fiscal crap as a mistake. we wont be 'reducing debt' for a few year, but at least the team will be somewhat proper.

yeah, sack him. i dont like what i'm seeing. its like west ham 's season last year, except they stockpiled money to 'come back' and have given allardyce , nolan , and the rest the money to 'big boy' it out of that division. we'll that seems their plan to me. bolton , probably wont be able to do that .

if its a collusion to , say, "take them down coz i carnt afford it, and we'll get less 'shit' going down under owen than megson.." then they might as well wind them up.

feck.

[jimbo_bwfc]

what's worrying is coyle , allegedly despite having no money to spend coz megson or allardyce spent it all , is costing the club more money by dropping elmander / muamba / steinsson potentially go for free instad of the cheaper better option of playing them all the time so they sign new contracts. dont know if he's trying to downsize 'em or what (i remember megson making similar noises when he bought elmander and them, theyre on cheaper wages) but he's being a cheapskate for no reason.

the next manger will have even less to work with that he allegedly had. espesh if he takes them down.

but whatever. its that they dont look like they know what the feck theyre doing thats more frightening.

for that reason alone , they should get rid. the other shit (piss poor signings , messin' muamba and them about , the 442 harlem globetrotter bollocks) just adds to it.

its sammy lee -esque.

theyre gonna have to sack him. get hughes (or souness) in and give him megson / allardyce sized budget and just 'eat' the fiscal crap as a mistake. we wont be 'reducing debt' for a few year, but at least the team will be somewhat proper.

yeah, sack him. i dont like what i'm seeing. its like west ham 's season last year, except they stockpiled money to 'come back' and have given allardyce , nolan , and the rest the money to 'big boy' it out of that division. we'll that seems their plan to me. bolton , probably wont be able to do that .

if its a collusion to , say, "take them down coz i carnt afford it, and we'll get less 'shit' going down under owen than megson.." then they might as well wind them up.

feck.

Huh?

...and he played Elmander nearly every week. Up front, centre mid, right mid. One thing you certainly can't say of him is he didn't give Elmander game time! And you don't play people to stop them going for frees, you play the players you think are the best men for the job. I very much doubt he's 'being a cheapskate' on purpose, he's being a cheapskate because we have feck all money. We only managed one serious money signing and I question whether that would have gone through had Al Habsi not been sold for a similar fee. He got decent value on Mears and Eagles, but then circumstances out of his control meant that rather than be back-up with potential and spark from the bench, Eagles was thrust into a starting role and Mears didn't even get a competitive first team game. Others were all freebies or loans. With, it appears, mixed results. Although Tuncay and Kakuta have yet to have a run in the team.

[a1]

Huh?

...and he played Elmander nearly every week. Up front, centre mid, right mid. One thing you certainly can't say of him is he didn't give Elmander game time! And you don't play people to stop them going for frees, you play the players you think are the best men for the job. I very much doubt he's 'being a cheapskate' on purpose, he's being a cheapskate because we have feck all money. We only managed one serious money signing and I question whether that would have gone through had Al Habsi not been sold for a similar fee. He got decent value on Mears and Eagles, but then circumstances out of his control meant that rather than be back-up with potential and spark from the bench, Eagles was thrust into a starting role and Mears didn't even get a competitive first team game. Others were all freebies or loans. With, it appears, mixed results. Although Tuncay and Kakuta have yet to have a run in the team.

he bought eagles to be a first teamer , he wouldve thought the korean were crap , i suspect this from the freindly week when lee got injured.

same with alonso , he's reckons steinsson's crap.

he thinks big paul is crap. tyrone's not better. we might need new fullbacks , but his signings arent good enough.

i suspect tuncay got bought by commitee , i suspect owen never had nowt to do with it. thats why i think he doesnt play him. if the higher ups have done that , they doubt owen's eye for talent / or are plugging gaps they see in the team.

i admit that seems roman abramovich -like , but its for different aims.
- It's 'we have no forwards' panic . i also suspected helgurson and shittu to be "woah . everyones injured. just get these in" panic. but megson were probably at least aware of those, the tuncay thing were totally out of left field for coyle . imo.

but whatevers. the main reason i think they should sack him is they look like they dont know what theyre doing . at all.

also , and this might be more statistically relivant, theyre losing home games against teams they , at least, should be picking points up against . and they sacked megson for not winning those games (iirc he had a fair few draws against similar teams in the last month of his reign at home) coyles not even getting the draws. we're losing by multiple goal margins.

pissing frightening.

[mrpiccollo]

lets be honest the prem this season has been pretty crazy so far big scoring games all over and surprising losses

for us we lost to norwich

united lost 6-1 at home to city

there are many more surprise results but you get the idea im sure

saying get rid is a huge mistake owen works his ass off for bolton week in week out and belive me hes trying to make everything work ^^

saying were skint is wrong still hes doing great job of balancing the books at the moment

also dont forget he pretty much replaced half of our starting 11 this year and has holden and cyl out (our fckin best players^)

lets not be too harsh if by january we arent doing better then its time to start questioning as for now lets continue in the same vain and get behind the lads @ swansea

were only a few wins from sampions league lads^^

[BWFC_Insane]

Yep. Let's face it the only ones who aren't questioning Coyle are the ones who were so blinded by hate against Megson that they lost all sense of reason!

Yet more utter bollocks from you. Do you get up early to practice? You must do! Many of us gave Megson every opportunity in the same way we are with Coyle. What a fecking ridiculous statement to make. You expected wins against the top sides did you? Fine. Don't get me wrong, I left the ground yesterday every bit as pissed off as the next man, but then I didn't expect us to win at QPR or Wigan either, so how about adding a little context, or is that beyond you?

The standard for the club is to stay in the premiership. That means getting 36-42 points in usual seasons to have a chance.

We are going to have to beat someone.

We have to stay in the league, the form we have shown over an extended period going back to last season does not suggest we will.

Norwich, coming up and spending not all that much, have beaten us at home, put in a respectable effort at Old Trafford despite losing, and drawn at Anfield.

You tell me why Coyle is incapable of matching that, and why we have lost at home to shite like Norwich and Sunderland, and are currently in the bottom three on the worst run of home form in the clubs history?

I think if questions aren't asked at this point then I'm really not sure when they would be.

I won't accept leaving Coyle there to take us down. We are not even at a point per game. A ratio that was always seen as an absolute disgrace under the previous guy!

Oh do stop playing the St Megson card I'm feeling low enough now as it is!
Lets stick to "Owen where's it going wrong and what you going to do about it?

Hoboh my frustration is, forget Megson.

If our manager was Paul Lambert, on our current run, everyone would be screaming blue murder.

As he's called Owen Coyle, folk are prepared to "let him take us down" and potentially financially destroy the club. Can't get my head around it.

Have more respect for you, because at least you are consistent in what you expect!

[BwfcDan]

A1.

There's Sunderland fans with more sense than you. Absolute numpty!!

[Worthy4England]

Yep. Let's face it the only ones who aren't questioning Coyle are the ones who were so blinded by hate against Megson that they lost all sense of reason!

Yet more utter bollocks from you. Do you get up early to practice? You must do! Many of us gave Megson every opportunity in the same way we are with Coyle. What a fecking ridiculous statement to make. You expected wins against the top sides did you? Fine. Don't get me wrong, I left the ground yesterday every bit as pissed off as the next man, but then I didn't expect us to win at QPR or Wigan either, so how about adding a little context, or is that beyond you?

The standard for the club is to stay in the premiership. That means getting 36-42 points in usual seasons to have a chance.

We are going to have to beat someone.

We have to stay in the league, the form we have shown over an extended period going back to last season does not suggest we will.

Norwich, coming up and spending not all that much, have beaten us at home, put in a respectable effort at Old Trafford despite losing, and drawn at Anfield.

You tell me why Coyle is incapable of matching that, and why we have lost at home to shite like Norwich and Sunderland, and are currently in the bottom three on the worst run of home form in the clubs history?

I think if questions aren't asked at this point then I'm really not sure when they would be.

I won't accept leaving Coyle there to take us down. We are not even at a point per game. A ratio that was always seen as an absolute disgrace under the previous guy!

Oh do stop playing the St Megson card I'm feeling low enough now as it is!
Lets stick to "Owen where's it going wrong and what you going to do about it?

Hoboh my frustration is, forget Megson.

If our manager was Paul Lambert, on our current run, everyone would be screaming blue murder.

As he's called Owen Coyle, folk are prepared to "let him take us down" and potentially financially destroy the club. Can't get my head around it.

Have more respect for you, because at least you are consistent in what you expect!

It is fairly surprising, how much leeway Coyle is getting. I did say pre-season, that I wouldn't start worrying until after the end of October. Well it's nearly here.

When push comes to shove, we're in the bottom three and four games, you might have thought we'd get something out of them. We were fecking useless for most of the Norwich game and clueless on Saturday. Didn't really come close. I'm trying to recall making their keeper save the ball from a decent shot.

I don't care if it's Frank Worthington in charge. Simply not good enough. Too lightweight. We remind me of West Ham on a relegation season. I also agree that we don't look like a team who's "together" looking at the body language on the pitch.

Needs to buck up the next couple of games or Coyle needs to ship out.

[BWFC_Insane]

Agree W4E. I hope to god Coyle turns it round, because it will make life a lot easier than trying to find a new guy who will be able to, with players he doesn't know etc.

But he has got to turn it round. Failure and relegation is not an option, so if OC can't then we have to try someone else. It really is that simple.

The worrying thing is that a very poor Sunderland side, didn't just beat us, the outplayed, outclassed, outfought and outhought us, pretty much all over the park. If it had been 4-0 we couldn't have complained!

[thebish]

lets be honest the prem this season has been pretty crazy so far big scoring games all over and surprising losses

hmmm.... that's true... but having lost 15 out of our last 17 league games - to lose can no longer be classed as a surprising loss...

[Prufrock]

If nothing changes, we'd still finish 18th, Wigan and Blackburn are that bad. Swansea will start losing games (though perhaps not this Saturday) and I think Norwich will get found out. I think we'll be OK. However, something does need to change. I gave Megson a lot of time, and I'm willing to do the same with Coyle. We are missing two massive players. I'm not yet at the stage of Owen out, but I'm not far off. Next few games are massive.

[officer_dibble]

As pointed out above weve lost 15 out of 17. I thought it was 14 actually. Either way after two more games thats half a season...so say we lose both, thats 9 points over half a season.

Times 2 and you get an 18 point season. Comfortably bottom most years regardless the quality of blackburn/wiggin.

hope he can turn this round!