Time to go

[keveh]

I don't think its time to get rid just yet. I'd rather wait until the end of November.

I Don't care who is :n charge, losing Holden and Lee is a massive blow and would make us struggle.

[a1]

no dude. its not. that team's (all the 25) good enough to stop up , barely, if you line it up right. they dont look like they know what the feck is going on. and they'll be on the backfoot now (x points behind other teams)

so... get hughes in as a reboot , then let him sign his own men (players , i mean, his backroomers need to be here straight away) too come chrimbo time.

they'll start winnin' almost straight away.

so they need to get hughes in tommorrow. just to hit the ground running.

then as he gets better players in they'll keep winning

it'll cost . but fecking hell fire it wants doing, its a mess. a heavy scarring mess.

[officer_dibble]

How about Phil Brown? Is he in work?

2 out of 10 is the worst start since 1902 according to the BeN. Might all seem better in the morning!

feck that, less of the sentimentals. No more ex player/boss returns.

This mess needs a fresh pair of eyes, clean slate, whatever. Same goes for rioch, mcginlay, gary fukin speed the lot.

[Lord Kangana]

I don't think its time to get rid just yet. I'd rather wait until the end of November.

I Don't care who is :n charge, losing Holden and Lee is a massive blow and would make us struggle.

Whilst they were crippling blows, I'm more interested in the thread's author explaining his previous comments re money.

If he needs a memory jog, perhaps I could start with the suggestion that our current manager will always have spent more than our previous. And it being basic economics or something.

So does the proposal about sacking our current incumbent involve handing his successor around twenty five million quid in January at all?

[Peter Thompson]

Gartside won't sack Coyle (even after we lose to Stoke)....because that would be admitting 3 managerial mistakes in a row

The only way that Coyle will go is if Gartside goes with him - fingers crossed !!, we need a complete change - chairman & manager, would you really want Gartside choosing another ineffective poor manager.

Perhaps its time for Eddie Davies to step in before its to late....because unless something is done now we will be relegated with Coyle and can ED risk administration. We simply can't afford this shocking run to go on otherwise we'll be adrift with Wigan at the bottom needing snookers just to finish 17th - we are just so soft and easy to play against and have been for 6 months.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Hughes might make a difference,infact any fresh manager might make a difference.But then equally a Sturridge up top woujld have made a difference as would Holden and Lee.Coyle does look pretty found out at present,shambolic and clueless. To some degree it's also a reflection on the fact we cant afford to invest in players to the same degree other clubs do however it's hard to see how the current group can be lifted.If ever there was a time to go for the opposite of coyles instictive approach its now.Grind out some points and keep a clean sheet or two otherwise there's nothing for our lightweight attack to build on.Feck principles in away games,get two banks of 4 defensive players and try to nick something from a set play.A good manager adapts and thinks about the opposition. Look at the approach of David Moyes or any manager successfully keeping a team punching above itsfinancial level.Solidity structure and organisation come first.If coyle doesnt start to show signs of putting that in place before xmas I suspect he will be gone.
However should he stay and should we be relegated I reckon we'd have a more entertaining season than we've had for some time getting back up with Coyle in charge.A season in the championship would be a refreshing change from this routine of weekly hammerings and trying to compete with the spoilt brats of the premiership

[Sally Neville]

We are in the bottom 3 with a really weak squad - it isn't going to be a question of which manager we want (i.e. Hughes, O'Neill etc) it's going to be which manager wants to come to Bolton.

[Sponge]

Gartside on Twitter spouting some guff about Coyle being a nice chap, that we're a team in transition, have patience, blah, blah. Problem is, the team (and Coyle) are bringing NOTHING: no discipline, no organisation, no bottle, no passion, no class. We don't have a single player that makes you sit up in anticipation of seeing something exciting when they get the ball (as Lee and Sturridge did last year). Its like pulling teeth watching us at the moment. I cringe every time we have the ball. There's no confidence. No one is showing for it, no one is taking it on, its like they're passing a hand grenade. How many times did Jussi slice it out into the stands yesterday? He clearly has no faith in the players' ability to to pass it out from defence, and equally the players don't want the ball. Cowards.

We need a miracle.

[Peter Thompson]

Gartside on Twitter spouting some guff about Coyle being a nice chap, that we're a team in transition, have patience, blah, blah. Problem is, the team (and Coyle) are bringing NOTHING: no discipline, no organisation, no bottle, no passion, no class. We don't have a single player that makes you sit up in anticipation of seeing something exciting when they get the ball (as Lee and Sturridge did last year). Its like pulling teeth watching us at the moment. I cringe every time we have the ball. There's no confidence. No one is showing for it, no one is taking it on, its like they're passing a hand grenade. How many times did Jussi slice it out into the stands yesterday? He clearly has no faith in the players' ability to to pass it out from defence, and equally the players don't want the ball. Cowards.

We need a miracle.

How the fcuk can Gartside say we're in a period of transition, it must be the longest transitional period in history, it was the same with Sammy Lee & Megson now Coyle - it seems that he's been saying we've been in 'so called' transition for years.

This is why we are in the mess we're in - have patience !, is Gartside taking the piss out of the fans - we've been patient for 4-5 years hoping things would improve....and let's keep Coyle because he's a nice guy FFS

Its time for them both to go....today would be good.

[Tipster Ste]

Owen's sadly lost the plot and not resorting to referees having agendas against us! Well Owen I'd like to know YOUR agenda with Muamba and Tuncay for starters? Tuncay has had 45 mins against Man Utd at home, Fabrice brings some steal to the centre mid area and potects the centre backs. Sadly Reo Coker appears to be nackered 30 mins into a game. Pratley hasn't done anything. Both have been completely outplayed in all but one game they have played this season. Wake up and smell the coffee or do te honourable thing and leave!!

[BL3]

not replacing quality with quality (Sturridge, Elmander etc...) has been Coyle or Bolton's undoing

We brought in around £7M in player sales and that's what he was given to spend. Are you suggesting that he could have replaced those sort of players for that sort of money? He wanted to keep Sturridge but no-one made a big enough offer for Cahill, so he didn't have the funds. It's not that complicated.

[Tipster Ste]

not replacing quality with quality (Sturridge, Elmander etc...) has been Coyle or Bolton's undoing

We brought in around £7M in player sales and that's what he was given to spend. Are you suggesting that he could have replaced those sort of players for that sort of money? He wanted to keep Sturridge but no-one made a big enough offer for Cahill, so he didn't have the funds. It's not that complicated.

Massively over pricing him at 17m cost us big style a club like ours can't afford to let players go for nothing. We spent 16m on elmander, steinnson and cahill we are in danger of letting them all go for nothing

[Worthy4England]

Gartside on Twitter spouting some guff about Coyle being a nice chap, that we're a team in transition, have patience, blah, blah. Problem is, the team (and Coyle) are bringing NOTHING: no discipline, no organisation, no bottle, no passion, no class. We don't have a single player that makes you sit up in anticipation of seeing something exciting when they get the ball (as Lee and Sturridge did last year). Its like pulling teeth watching us at the moment. I cringe every time we have the ball. There's no confidence. No one is showing for it, no one is taking it on, its like they're passing a hand grenade. How many times did Jussi slice it out into the stands yesterday? He clearly has no faith in the players' ability to to pass it out from defence, and equally the players don't want the ball. Cowards.

We need a miracle.

How the fcuk can Gartside say we're in a period of transition, it must be the longest transitional period in history, it was the same with Sammy Lee & Megson now Coyle - it seems that he's been saying we've been in 'so called' transition for years.

This is why we are in the mess we're in - have patience !, is Gartside taking the piss out of the fans - we've been patient for 4-5 years hoping things would improve....and let's keep Coyle because he's a nice guy FFS

Its time for them both to go....today would be good.

Deary me.

One more win last season would have seen us in 8th/9th and a Cup Semi under our belt.

Now we all know that didn't happen and we finished 14th and got embarrassed by the Cup Semi, but you're talking fairly fine lines here.

8th for Bolton is like winning the CL for anyone else.

If you are expecting better than 8th every season and giving yourself a chance of a go at a Cup (which we did), you probably need to go watching the Massives.

Don't get me wrong, I'm now convinced Coyle needs to go, but you've been having a pop at Gartside for donkey's. Do you think he can conjour money out of thin air?

[Peter Thompson]

not replacing quality with quality (Sturridge, Elmander etc...) has been Coyle or Bolton's undoing

We brought in around £7M in player sales and that's what he was given to spend. Are you suggesting that he could have replaced those sort of players for that sort of money? He wanted to keep Sturridge but no-one made a big enough offer for Cahill, so he didn't have the funds. It's not that complicated.

If money was so tight, then perhaps he shouldn't have wasted £2.5M on Alonso then....

[Hoboh]

Gartside on Twitter spouting some guff about Coyle being a nice chap, that we're a team in transition, have patience, blah, blah. Problem is, the team (and Coyle) are bringing NOTHING: no discipline, no organisation, no bottle, no passion, no class. We don't have a single player that makes you sit up in anticipation of seeing something exciting when they get the ball (as Lee and Sturridge did last year). Its like pulling teeth watching us at the moment. I cringe every time we have the ball. There's no confidence. No one is showing for it, no one is taking it on, its like they're passing a hand grenade. How many times did Jussi slice it out into the stands yesterday? He clearly has no faith in the players' ability to to pass it out from defence, and equally the players don't want the ball. Cowards.

We need a miracle.

How the fcuk can Gartside say we're in a period of transition, it must be the longest transitional period in history, it was the same with Sammy Lee & Megson now Coyle - it seems that he's been saying we've been in 'so called' transition for years.

This is why we are in the mess we're in - have patience !, is Gartside taking the piss out of the fans - we've been patient for 4-5 years hoping things would improve....and let's keep Coyle because he's a nice guy FFS

Its time for them both to go....today would be good.

Deary me.

One more win last season would have seen us in 8th/9th and a Cup Semi under our belt.

Now we all know that didn't happen and we finished 14th and got embarrassed by the Cup Semi, but you're talking fairly fine lines here.

8th for Bolton is like winning the CL for anyone else.

If you are expecting better than 8th every season and giving yourself a chance of a go at a Cup (which we did), you probably need to go watching the Massives.

Don't get me wrong, I'm now convinced Coyle needs to go, but you've been having a pop at Gartside for donkey's. Do you think he can conjour money out of thin air?

I agree its not Garty's money to throw around but the mans "hit rate" of managers is now 1 in 4 and cause for some concern. What is worrying is the mans seeming disdain for the fans and he wants more of us through the gates! by that I mean virtually every supporter was saying Megson had gone past his sell by long before Garty admitted it, usual guff he is now spouting about Coyle. I wonder if he really is a "fan" as he claims even most dyed-in-the-wool never question 'owt BWFC do are realising Coyle has to go, so why can he not?

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't think I'd be getting rid of Gartside! Regarding his transition comment he said the same about Megson a month or so before he pulled the trigger.

Not sure people can complain about Coyle as the vast majority supported his appointment.

It's not working out now though, but I'm convinced that nobody can really explain why it's gone so badly wrong. It just has, and yes it's highlighted Coyles faults, but that's the way it goes. He's never really been tested as a manager till the end of last season.

Like I said the summer would be a big test for Coyle, and the start of this season. And it hasn't shown him in a great light!

[Peter Thompson]

Deary me.

One more win last season would have seen us in 8th/9th and a Cup Semi under our belt.

Now we all know that didn't happen and we finished 14th and got embarrassed by the Cup Semi, but you're talking fairly fine lines here.

8th for Bolton is like winning the CL for anyone else.

If you are expecting better than 8th every season and giving yourself a chance of a go at a Cup (which we did), you probably need to go watching the Massives.

Don't get me wrong, I'm now convinced Coyle needs to go, but you've been having a pop at Gartside for donkey's. Do you think he can conjour money out of thin air?

if...if and if....13 defeats in the last 15 games...embarrassing defeat after embarrassing defeat

Is Gartside above criticism ?, he's been chairman for too long now IMO and as he's the man running the ship and making key decisions, then like in any business the buck stops with him when the business is failing - he should pay the price and someone else brought in to try and improve / change things, and let's be honest he couldn't complain either he's had enough money out of us in terms of his BWFC salary over the years

I'll throw it back...why should he stay on as chairmen , if he blindly continues to back Coyle ?

[jaffka]

How about Phil Brown? Is he in work?

2 out of 10 is the worst start since 1902 according to the BeN. Might all seem better in the morning!

preston manager

[Worthy4England]

Deary me.

One more win last season would have seen us in 8th/9th and a Cup Semi under our belt.

Now we all know that didn't happen and we finished 14th and got embarrassed by the Cup Semi, but you're talking fairly fine lines here.

8th for Bolton is like winning the CL for anyone else.

If you are expecting better than 8th every season and giving yourself a chance of a go at a Cup (which we did), you probably need to go watching the Massives.

Don't get me wrong, I'm now convinced Coyle needs to go, but you've been having a pop at Gartside for donkey's. Do you think he can conjour money out of thin air?

if...if and if....13 defeats in the last 15 games...embarrassing defeat after embarrassing defeat

Is Gartside above criticism ?, he's been chairman for too long now IMO and as he's the man running the ship and making key decisions, then like in any business the buck stops with him when the business is failing - he should pay the price and someone else brought in to try and improve / change things, and let's be honest he couldn't complain either he's had enough money out of us in terms of his BWFC salary over the years

I'll throw it back...why should he stay on as chairmen , if he blindly continues to back Coyle ?

Who said he's blindly continuing to back Coyle?

He might be talking to possible available managers for all you know.

He's hardly going to tweet.

"Had a shit game against Sunderland, just spoken to Mark Hughes on the phone."

Now is he?

The fact that you or he would pull the trigger at different points in time, doesn't make you right and him wrong.

My trigger point would be about now.

[Hoboh]

I don't think I'd be getting rid of Gartside! Regarding his transition comment he said the same about Megson a month or so before he pulled the trigger.

Not sure people can complain about Coyle as the vast majority supported his appointment.

It's not working out now though, but I'm convinced that nobody can really explain why it's gone so badly wrong. It just has, and yes it's highlighted Coyles faults, but that's the way it goes. He's never really been tested as a manager till the end of last season.

Like I said the summer would be a big test for Coyle, and the start of this season. And it hasn't shown him in a great light!

Burnley? They were going down the plug hole pretty sharpish when he left, most put that down to Burnleys lack of spending power now we are in the same boat I wonder about that being the case. Maybe he ain't up to this level of football? tactically you cannot get it wrong every week at this level many a time Megson went too much on defence via his subs Coyle leaves us too open too late!
Balance we just ain't got none!