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[boltonboris]

So it works out double as long as you use a different currency? That's cheating, that!

[BL3]

So it works out double as long as you use a different currency? That's cheating, that!

Exchange rate is pretty much one-to-one anyway.

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[boltonboris]

1.1471 according to this months HMRC projections

[jimbo_bwfc]

They lost their best players and replaced them with quality.
We lost our best players (to both transfers and injuries) and replaced them with cheap inferiors.

Quite simply really. Money.

Looking at transfer fees doesn't really tell the full story. They signed Ba on a free but gave him a £1.5m signing on fee and 80k a week.

Put it this way, if Elmander sold for 35M then we'd probably be sitting happy near the top of the table too.

[Loyal White]

If anyone watched Newcastle play last night, they were everything we are not.

They haven't spent massive amounts of money.

They've spent twice as much as us, but then you thought that we'd spent more than Norwich or Swansea. Ever thought of checking your facts before you start posting this drivel?

Just looked up Newcastles spending.

This summer they spent 12.5M (no loans)

Compared to our £7M (3 loans). Let assume our loans in total cost £1M in fees (which is more than likely on the low side). That puts us on £8M.

You are saying that the entire difference between Newcastle and us can be attributed to a 4.5M spending differential?

Given that we've already established both sides have lost key players??????????

Do you really think the likes of Ngog, Eagles and Mears are on a comparable level to Ba, Cabaye and Santon?!

[BWFC_Insane]

They lost their best players and replaced them with quality.
We lost our best players (to both transfers and injuries) and replaced them with cheap inferiors.

Quite simply really. Money.

Looking at transfer fees doesn't really tell the full story. They signed Ba on a free but gave him a £1.5m signing on fee and 80k a week.

Put it this way, if Elmander sold for 35M then we'd probably be sitting happy near the top of the table too.

Newcastle have been working desperately to try and bring the wage bill down. I'd be very surprised if Ba was on that amount, though suspect their wage bill is bigger than ours.

By the same token, I can't see Norwich, or Swansea having a wage bill anything near ours. Swings and roundabouts

[boltonboris]

I can't see Norwich or Swansea having 30% of our wage bill to be honest.

[CAPSLOCK]

I feel like Von Rundstedt in 1944 when he was asked what should be done.

How the f*ck we were meant to be replacing these players when we clearly have no money, and when the likes of Sean Davis are on fat contracts eating away at our wage budget and can't play doesn't seem to have been discussed in any detail.

So, when Lee and then Mears got injured, who were we supposed to bring in with no money and very little room for manoeuvre?

Most sane folk accept he was never going to sign Messi and Higuain

He replaced Mears with Boyata - I'm not sure either are significantly better than Steinnson

Anyway, by the by

What I can't accept is any claim that we've been unlucky to only have 6 points, similarly any claim that he's getting the best out of a pretty shoddy bunch

[CAPSLOCK]

Remember this

Of our regular starters last season, we've lost Holden, Sturridge, Elmander and Taylor

Two of them weren't fit for feeding to the puigs

Sturridge carried the team through the second half of the League programme

I said last June we'd have dropped without him

Some said that was bollocks, didn't you

[chester white]

I don't care what Newcastle are doing. I don't care what Wigan are doing. I care about what we are doing.

I look at our squad, the players we have available and try to work out if Coyle is getting the best out of them, both as individuals and as a team.

The obvious answer at the moment is no. Even with the injuries to Lee and Holden I still feel this team should be higher up the league table and playing much better.

The organisation is a shambles, people don't seem to know their role is when we don't have the ball and the same mistakes are getting repeated week in week out by the team collectively. That to me points to poor management more than anything.

I really want Coyle to succeed, he seems like a nice bloke that has genuine feelings for the club. I want Bolton to succeed more though, I'm not willing to sacrifice Premier League football just because we have a likeable character in charge.

[FaninOz]

To be honest I don't care who manages us or plays for us providing the team is doing well, as we aren't doing well then I do care who is underperforming and who is leading us down. Hence Manager has to go if he can't turn this around in the next few games, and so must many of the overplayed and underperforming players. Bring in the youngsters and give them a chance, we can't do much worse than we are at prsesent.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I remember the night Caps stopped writing in capitals. There'd been a TV programme making some allegations against our manager and it was a very serious time. So's this, and the cantankerous owd bat's here again being the voice quietly asking the simple question. True, he started a thread with an inflammatory title, but he's hardly daubing on bedsheets.

There are mitigating factors. We've lost some key players; we've not spent money; we've suffered injuries; we had a devilishly difficult start to the fixture list. But we have also lost games we expect - need - to win, principally because we have frequently seemed defensively disorganised.

For what it's worth I wouldn't sack Owen Coyle now, but he's running out of time. It's long been noted that he is more idealistic than pragmatic, an outlook most Bolton fans welcomed on his arrival; the corollary of that is that he now has to prove he has the tactical and organisational ability to get us out of a record-breakingly terrible run, starting with a game against memorably tough opponents this weekend. Considering the rate at which we have been conceding goals, it would not be the worst thing to accurately balance his natural attacking inclinations with his desperate need for only the second league clean sheet in six months. That would not be a return to the bad old days.

It's not about Gary Megson. It's not about Sammy Lee. It's not about Sam Allardyce. It's not about Phil Gartside. It's not about Eddie Davies. It's not about Bruce Rioch. It's not about Newcastle United. It's not about Wigan Athletic. It's not about Blackburn Rovers. It's not about Daniel Sturridge. It's not about Johan Elmander. It's not about Stuart Holden. It's not about Lee Chung-Yong. It's not about Tyrone Mears. It's not about Dedryck Boyata. It's not about Ricardo Gardner. It's not about Paul Robinson. It's not about Martin Petrov. It's not about Matt Taylor. It's not about the Greek financial crisis. It's about Owen Coyle. And I hope to God he succeeds.

[keveh]

It is a little bit about Paul Robinson

[ohjimmyjimmy]

All this Norwich & Swansea bollocks...
We're 10 games into the season, their players are still in 'Hull City' mode.

[BL3]

Sturridge carried the team through the second half of the League programme

I said last June we'd have dropped without him

Some said that was bollocks, didn't you

That's because it was bollocks.

[BL3]

All this Norwich & Swansea bollocks...
We're 10 games into the season, their players are still in 'Hull City' mode.

I agree. I don't think that Norwich or Swansea will find the second half of the season as easy as the first has been so far. Although whether they'll already have enough points in the bag to limp through to the end like Hull City did, is another matter.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Our defence 'on paper' isnt terrible.
Our midfield 'on paper' isnt terrible.
Ngog, Klasnic, SKD and Tuncay should be able to threaten in some combination.

But come one Coyle FFS work with them and sort it out quick.

[CrazyHorse]

All this Norwich & Swansea bollocks...
We're 10 games into the season, their players are still in 'Hull City' mode.

Thing is, ours are in Derby County mode.

[Sponge]

It's not about Gary Megson. It's not about Sammy Lee. It's not about Sam Allardyce. It's not about Phil Gartside. It's not about Eddie Davies. It's not about Bruce Rioch. It's not about Newcastle United. It's not about Wigan Athletic. It's not about Blackburn Rovers. It's not about Daniel Sturridge. It's not about Johan Elmander. It's not about Stuart Holden. It's not about Lee Chung-Yong. It's not about Tyrone Mears. It's not about Dedryck Boyata. It's not about Ricardo Gardner. It's not about Paul Robinson. It's not about Martin Petrov. It's not about Matt Taylor. It's not about the Greek financial crisis. It's about Owen Coyle. And I hope to God he succeeds.

It is a little bit about Paul Robinson

[One Hump Or Two?]

I don't care what Newcastle are doing. I don't care what Wigan are doing. I care about what we are doing.

I look at our squad, the players we have available and try to work out if Coyle is getting the best out of them, both as individuals and as a team.

The obvious answer at the moment is no. Even with the injuries to Lee and Holden I still feel this team should be higher up the league table and playing much better.

The organisation is a shambles, people don't seem to know their role is when we don't have the ball and the same mistakes are getting repeated week in week out by the team collectively. That to me points to poor management more than anything.
I really want Coyle to succeed, he seems like a nice bloke that has genuine feelings for the club. I want Bolton to succeed more though, I'm not willing to sacrifice Premier League football just because we have a likeable character in charge.

This.