Coyle "Players are to blame"

[BWFC_Insane]

Megson said this and got roundly abused.

Coyle says this and no-one really cares.

In my opinion it is the players that are the problem this time around though, and not the manager, whereas it was the manager with Megson. Under Megson is was so damn predictable, seeing Steinsson or Zat Knight hoof the ball up to Kevin Davies 500 times a match. Now, the ball is on the deck a lot more and the actual team selection is as good as it gets, so what more can Coyle do when those players are out on the pitch? It's them who aren't doing the running and putting the effort in.

So you're saying after a good first half and a decent effort our players just decided they couldn't be arsed?

Or was it that Hodgson made some basic changes that our manager failed to react to at half time that left us completely stuffed?

Can't keep blaming the players when it's obvious Coyle is costing us points by failing to spot what is happening on the pitch.

[a1]

he should blame his shit mates first

[Prufrock]

Folk put waaaaaaaaaay to much on 'team-talks'. I blame Football Manager and that Al Pacino 'inches' speech. First half was fine. Keep doing that (presumably, despite hilarious witticisms, according to what we worked on in training). Maybe the odd little tweak but no more. Nothing to blame in that. The problem was when they had clearly targeted our right hand side and we did absolutely nothing to combat it, in the vain hope that, against all evidence, Riley and Mavies would fluke it out. That was blindingly obvious for at least ten minutes prior to the goal, and it is that he wants blaming for.

Thats my point. Not the team talk, but the fact that for 10 minutes leading up to their goal even Stevie Wonder could see what was happening.

And our manager couldn't. Thats what worries me more than ever. Says the team didn't "dig in". If thats what you want Owen give them a chance to do it!

I agree with the content. He didn't say 'the players are to blame' though, and it seems a little unfair to quote him as doing so in the thread title. It wasn't a 'it's all their fault' as you suggest. With you generally though, blindingly obvious things were going tits up second half, and he did nowt. He's shit at that bit.

Also, it's fecking embarrassing the numbers blinded by his claim we play 'good' *wanders off to vomit, returns* football. We just don't. Individually they are given freedom to go and drift and create things, which is better than ginge, but there is no plan, we don't play it out from the back, we don't work the wings and get 2v1s, 3 v2s. There is no 'plan'.

[elfil76]

Megson said this and got roundly abused.

Coyle says this and no-one really cares.

In my opinion it is the players that are the problem this time around though, and not the manager, whereas it was the manager with Megson. Under Megson is was so damn predictable, seeing Steinsson or Zat Knight hoof the ball up to Kevin Davies 500 times a match. Now, the ball is on the deck a lot more and the actual team selection is as good as it gets, so what more can Coyle do when those players are out on the pitch? It's them who aren't doing the running and putting the effort in.

So you're saying after a good first half and a decent effort our players just decided they couldn't be arsed?

Or was it that Hodgson made some basic changes that our manager failed to react to at half time that left us completely stuffed?

Can't keep blaming the players when it's obvious Coyle is costing us points by failing to spot what is happening on the pitch.

If you look at the game perspective probably the players will need to shoulder part of the blame but most of it will be on the manager. Coyle should have studied what WBA can do and will usually do, the usual tactics that hodgson uses in his games and worked out plan B and C. This needs to be drilled into the players before the match and the formation and shape that we should get into. Most of us know that some players will put in a performance in one game and then go cold in the next few and we are not prepared for that ?

Anyway... sundays (at times mondays) haven't been that great since august... eeks..

[Gail Platz]

Megson said this and got roundly abused.

Coyle says this and no-one really cares.

In my opinion it is the players that are the problem this time around though, and not the manager, whereas it was the manager with Megson. Under Megson is was so damn predictable, seeing Steinsson or Zat Knight hoof the ball up to Kevin Davies 500 times a match. Now, the ball is on the deck a lot more and the actual team selection is as good as it gets, so what more can Coyle do when those players are out on the pitch? It's them who aren't doing the running and putting the effort in.

So you're saying after a good first half and a decent effort our players just decided they couldn't be arsed?

Or was it that Hodgson made some basic changes that our manager failed to react to at half time that left us completely stuffed?

Can't keep blaming the players when it's obvious Coyle is costing us points by failing to spot what is happening on the pitch.

Coyle got us into the top half, almost into the European positions with a full strength side, if he'd not done that then I'd probably be in your camp a bit more but it's a fact that Coyle has the capability to get us to that level again. I'm not making excuses and saying we're down at the bottom because of injuries to Holden and Lee, but the difference in effort between when things were good and what things are like now is massive, and it's not Coyle who is on the pitch, it's the players. Yes part of Coyle's job is to motivate players but for me, the be all and end all comes down to those that are actually on the pitch.

Coyle to stay for me, who the bloody hell would we get in as a replacement?

[BWFC_Insane]

Megson said this and got roundly abused.

Coyle says this and no-one really cares.

In my opinion it is the players that are the problem this time around though, and not the manager, whereas it was the manager with Megson. Under Megson is was so damn predictable, seeing Steinsson or Zat Knight hoof the ball up to Kevin Davies 500 times a match. Now, the ball is on the deck a lot more and the actual team selection is as good as it gets, so what more can Coyle do when those players are out on the pitch? It's them who aren't doing the running and putting the effort in.

So you're saying after a good first half and a decent effort our players just decided they couldn't be arsed?

Or was it that Hodgson made some basic changes that our manager failed to react to at half time that left us completely stuffed?

Can't keep blaming the players when it's obvious Coyle is costing us points by failing to spot what is happening on the pitch.

Coyle got us into the top half, almost into the European positions with a full strength side, if he'd not done that then I'd probably be in your camp a bit more but it's a fact that Coyle has the capability to get us to that level again. I'm not making excuses and saying we're down at the bottom because of injuries to Holden and Lee, but the difference in effort between when things were good and what things are like now is massive, and it's not Coyle who is on the pitch, it's the players. Yes part of Coyle's job is to motivate players but for me, the be all and end all comes down to those that are actually on the pitch.

Coyle to stay for me, who the bloody hell would we get in as a replacement?

Ermm thats a fact? I don't think so.

The only fact I'm bothered about is that we ended the season in 14th place last season.

And are now currently in the bottom 3.

Those are facts. Most other things are mere opinions.

[Gail Platz]

Megson said this and got roundly abused.

Coyle says this and no-one really cares.

In my opinion it is the players that are the problem this time around though, and not the manager, whereas it was the manager with Megson. Under Megson is was so damn predictable, seeing Steinsson or Zat Knight hoof the ball up to Kevin Davies 500 times a match. Now, the ball is on the deck a lot more and the actual team selection is as good as it gets, so what more can Coyle do when those players are out on the pitch? It's them who aren't doing the running and putting the effort in.

So you're saying after a good first half and a decent effort our players just decided they couldn't be arsed?

Or was it that Hodgson made some basic changes that our manager failed to react to at half time that left us completely stuffed?

Can't keep blaming the players when it's obvious Coyle is costing us points by failing to spot what is happening on the pitch.

Coyle got us into the top half, almost into the European positions with a full strength side, if he'd not done that then I'd probably be in your camp a bit more but it's a fact that Coyle has the capability to get us to that level again. I'm not making excuses and saying we're down at the bottom because of injuries to Holden and Lee, but the difference in effort between when things were good and what things are like now is massive, and it's not Coyle who is on the pitch, it's the players. Yes part of Coyle's job is to motivate players but for me, the be all and end all comes down to those that are actually on the pitch.

Coyle to stay for me, who the bloody hell would we get in as a replacement?

Ermm thats a fact? I don't think so.

The only fact I'm bothered about is that we ended the season in 14th place last season.

And are now currently in the bottom 3.

Those are facts. Most other things are mere opinions.

Did I say it was a fact? If we're talking about facts, then it is a fact that Coyle managed to get us up to 8th at one point last season. Yes we fell apart after the semi final, but it shows it can be done.

It's all fine and good coming on here bitching about the manager and what's going wrong at the club, but you've presented us with no solution. I even asked the question "who would we get in as a replacement?" to try and steer you in the right direction, yet you avoided that.

You would come across as a much more credible poster if you backed up your negatives with actual solutions.

[BWFC_Insane]

In my opinion it is the players that are the problem this time around though, and not the manager, whereas it was the manager with Megson. Under Megson is was so damn predictable, seeing Steinsson or Zat Knight hoof the ball up to Kevin Davies 500 times a match. Now, the ball is on the deck a lot more and the actual team selection is as good as it gets, so what more can Coyle do when those players are out on the pitch? It's them who aren't doing the running and putting the effort in.

So you're saying after a good first half and a decent effort our players just decided they couldn't be arsed?

Or was it that Hodgson made some basic changes that our manager failed to react to at half time that left us completely stuffed?

Can't keep blaming the players when it's obvious Coyle is costing us points by failing to spot what is happening on the pitch.

Coyle got us into the top half, almost into the European positions with a full strength side, if he'd not done that then I'd probably be in your camp a bit more but it's a fact that Coyle has the capability to get us to that level again. I'm not making excuses and saying we're down at the bottom because of injuries to Holden and Lee, but the difference in effort between when things were good and what things are like now is massive, and it's not Coyle who is on the pitch, it's the players. Yes part of Coyle's job is to motivate players but for me, the be all and end all comes down to those that are actually on the pitch.

Coyle to stay for me, who the bloody hell would we get in as a replacement?

Ermm thats a fact? I don't think so.

The only fact I'm bothered about is that we ended the season in 14th place last season.

And are now currently in the bottom 3.

Those are facts. Most other things are mere opinions.

Did I say it was a fact? If we're talking about facts, then it is a fact that Coyle managed to get us up to 8th at one point last season. Yes we fell apart after the semi final, but it shows it can be done.

It's all fine and good coming on here bitching about the manager and what's going wrong at the club, but you've presented us with no solution. I even asked the question "who would we get in as a replacement?" to try and steer you in the right direction, yet you avoided that.

You would come across as a much more credible poster if you backed up your negatives with actual solutions.

Well you said 'it's a fact' so I assume you were trying to say it was a fact yes.

Did Megson not also have us in the top 10 at one point after wins at Boro and Sunderland? I don't think once being 8th in the league proves much.

Yes Coyle has proven the ability to keep us up before. But that doesnt mean he has the abilities to cope with the slide we are currently on. I don't think Coyle has ever had to deal with such a situation before in his career.

As for solutions, well I've said that we are in a relegation scrap and need to show the sort of fight scrap and organisation required at the wrong end of the table. If we keep playing open, naive football we won't live long. If Owen can't achieve this fast, then I'd like to see a more pragmatic, tougher man in charge to see if they could get us out.

As for naming names, it's pointless because nobody knows who would or wouldn't come and in what circumstances. I've said before I'd chop my left arm of for Mark Hughes or Martin O Neil, think the former we may have a chance with the latter not so much!

[boltonboris]

Whilst Mark Hughes is 'managed' by Kia Joorabchian, he will never become our manager

[Worthy4England]

Did I say it was a fact? If we're talking about facts, then it is a fact that Coyle managed to get us up to 8th at one point last season. Yes we fell apart after the semi final, but it shows it can be done.

It's all fine and good coming on here bitching about the manager and what's going wrong at the club, but you've presented us with no solution. I even asked the question "who would we get in as a replacement?" to try and steer you in the right direction, yet you avoided that.

You would come across as a much more credible poster if you backed up your negatives with actual solutions.

He had us up at 1st this season. I'm surprised DMB's didn't sack the ageing Ferguson on the spot.

[Hoboh]

Did I say it was a fact? If we're talking about facts, then it is a fact that Coyle managed to get us up to 8th at one point last season. Yes we fell apart after the semi final, but it shows it can be done.

It's all fine and good coming on here bitching about the manager and what's going wrong at the club, but you've presented us with no solution. I even asked the question "who would we get in as a replacement?" to try and steer you in the right direction, yet you avoided that.

You would come across as a much more credible poster if you backed up your negatives with actual solutions.

And you my friend would be credible if you could offer an explination as to why we have lost so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor and what OC is doing about it! The only reason OC is getting a fairly easy ride compared to Keane at the dingles is most of us don't want another Megson type scene when you actually fall out with family members over the manager! Make no mistake Owen Coyles record over the same period of Keanes is just as bad and the dingles are ready to riot.

[Gail Platz]

Did I say it was a fact? If we're talking about facts, then it is a fact that Coyle managed to get us up to 8th at one point last season. Yes we fell apart after the semi final, but it shows it can be done.

It's all fine and good coming on here bitching about the manager and what's going wrong at the club, but you've presented us with no solution. I even asked the question "who would we get in as a replacement?" to try and steer you in the right direction, yet you avoided that.

You would come across as a much more credible poster if you backed up your negatives with actual solutions.

And you my friend would be credible if you could offer an explination as to why we have lost so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor and what OC is doing about it! The only reason OC is getting a fairly easy ride compared to Keane at the dingles is most of us don't want another Megson type scene when you actually fall out with family members over the manager! Make no mistake Owen Coyles record over the same period of Keanes is just as bad and the dingles are ready to riot.

If you read my post on the first page of this thread, I've stated my reasons why I think we have lost "so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor". As for your second sentence, one word from me, EXACTLY. Yes, the results were slightly better under Megson, but the whole atmosphere at the club was a lot worse and everyone knew it wasn't going to get any better under him. I can safely say that if we manage to get ourselves out of the rut with Coyle still in charge, you whiny sods will be lining up to bum him.

We can't get anyone better in than Coyle with the funds we've got, but we can certainly get a lot worse.

[Hoboh]

Did I say it was a fact? If we're talking about facts, then it is a fact that Coyle managed to get us up to 8th at one point last season. Yes we fell apart after the semi final, but it shows it can be done.

It's all fine and good coming on here bitching about the manager and what's going wrong at the club, but you've presented us with no solution. I even asked the question "who would we get in as a replacement?" to try and steer you in the right direction, yet you avoided that.

You would come across as a much more credible poster if you backed up your negatives with actual solutions.

And you my friend would be credible if you could offer an explination as to why we have lost so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor and what OC is doing about it! The only reason OC is getting a fairly easy ride compared to Keane at the dingles is most of us don't want another Megson type scene when you actually fall out with family members over the manager! Make no mistake Owen Coyles record over the same period of Keanes is just as bad and the dingles are ready to riot.

If you read my post on the first page of this thread, I've stated my reasons why I think we have lost "so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor". As for your second sentence, one word from me, EXACTLY. Yes, the results were slightly better under Megson, but the whole atmosphere at the club was a lot worse and everyone knew it wasn't going to get any better under him. I can safely say that if we manage to get ourselves out of the rut with Coyle still in charge, you whiny sods will be lining up to bum him.

We can't get anyone better in than Coyle with the funds we've got, but we can certainly get a lot worse.

Carry on just duck the question, how is Owen Coyle going to stop the rot? and were in Owen Coyles record of management has Owen Coyle shown he can bring clubs round from the sort of results we are having? don't normally diss others but us "whiny sods" are not thick buggers who are food and drink for the moonies!

[Hoboh]

Did I say it was a fact? If we're talking about facts, then it is a fact that Coyle managed to get us up to 8th at one point last season. Yes we fell apart after the semi final, but it shows it can be done.

It's all fine and good coming on here bitching about the manager and what's going wrong at the club, but you've presented us with no solution. I even asked the question "who would we get in as a replacement?" to try and steer you in the right direction, yet you avoided that.

You would come across as a much more credible poster if you backed up your negatives with actual solutions.

And you my friend would be credible if you could offer an explination as to why we have lost so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor and what OC is doing about it! The only reason OC is getting a fairly easy ride compared to Keane at the dingles is most of us don't want another Megson type scene when you actually fall out with family members over the manager! Make no mistake Owen Coyles record over the same period of Keanes is just as bad and the dingles are ready to riot.

If you read my post on the first page of this thread, I've stated my reasons why I think we have lost "so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor". As for your second sentence, one word from me, EXACTLY. Yes, the results were slightly better under Megson, but the whole atmosphere at the club was a lot worse and everyone knew it wasn't going to get any better under him. I can safely say that if we manage to get ourselves out of the rut with Coyle still in charge, you whiny sods will be lining up to bum him.

We can't get anyone better in than Coyle with the funds we've got, but we can certainly get a lot worse.

Carry on just duck the question, how is Owen Coyle going to stop the rot? and were in Owen Coyles record of management has Owen Coyle shown he can bring clubs round from the sort of results we are having? don't normally diss others but us "whiny sods" are not thick buggers who are food and drink for the moonies!

[BWFC_Insane]

Did I say it was a fact? If we're talking about facts, then it is a fact that Coyle managed to get us up to 8th at one point last season. Yes we fell apart after the semi final, but it shows it can be done.

It's all fine and good coming on here bitching about the manager and what's going wrong at the club, but you've presented us with no solution. I even asked the question "who would we get in as a replacement?" to try and steer you in the right direction, yet you avoided that.

You would come across as a much more credible poster if you backed up your negatives with actual solutions.

And you my friend would be credible if you could offer an explination as to why we have lost so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor and what OC is doing about it! The only reason OC is getting a fairly easy ride compared to Keane at the dingles is most of us don't want another Megson type scene when you actually fall out with family members over the manager! Make no mistake Owen Coyles record over the same period of Keanes is just as bad and the dingles are ready to riot.

If you read my post on the first page of this thread, I've stated my reasons why I think we have lost "so many feckin' games and been p*ss poor". As for your second sentence, one word from me, EXACTLY. Yes, the results were slightly better under Megson, but the whole atmosphere at the club was a lot worse and everyone knew it wasn't going to get any better under him. I can safely say that if we manage to get ourselves out of the rut with Coyle still in charge, you whiny sods will be lining up to bum him.

We can't get anyone better in than Coyle with the funds we've got, but we can certainly get a lot worse.

How do you know we can't do better than Coyle with the resources we have? The only thing that counts is results. He needs to start getting them, results wise and that is all that counts we can hardly get much worse now can we?

[Gail Platz]

How is Owen Coyle going to stop the rot? What he needs to do is:

- Play the formation I stated in the Everton thread
- Drop Kevin Davies and never play Darren Pratley ever again
- Give them a fecking bollocking and a rocket up their arse instead of all the happy chappy stuff he comes out with

Whether he will do any of those three I don't know, but they are the bleeding obvious ones to everyone.

[Turkish Trotter]

How is Owen Coyle going to stop the rot? What he needs to do is:

- Play the formation I stated in the Everton thread
- Drop Kevin Davies and never play Darren Pratley ever again
- Give them a fecking bollocking and a rocket up their arse instead of all the happy chappy stuff he comes out withWhether he will do any of those three I don't know, but they are the bleeding obvious ones to everyone.

You make it sound so easy, What experience do you have ?? Have you won the league on Fifa 2012 ??

[Whookam]

How is Owen Coyle going to stop the rot? What he needs to do is:

- Play the formation I stated in the Everton thread
- Drop Kevin Davies and never play Darren Pratley ever again
- Give them a fecking bollocking and a rocket up their arse instead of all the happy chappy stuff he comes out with

Whether he will do any of those three I don't know, but they are the bleeding obvious ones to everyone.

Wait a minute. You're the one loudly banging the 'Don't sack him, we can't get anyone better' drum and yet you're so very sure of what's going wrong and how to fix it. You can't have it both ways. Either it's completely out of Coyle's hands and the solutions, if any, are far from simple or it's so simple that someone on The Wanderer can figure it out thus we should get shut of Coyle as soon as.

[Gail Platz]

How is Owen Coyle going to stop the rot? What he needs to do is:

- Play the formation I stated in the Everton thread
- Drop Kevin Davies and never play Darren Pratley ever again
- Give them a fecking bollocking and a rocket up their arse instead of all the happy chappy stuff he comes out with

Whether he will do any of those three I don't know, but they are the bleeding obvious ones to everyone.

Wait a minute. You're the one loudly banging the 'Don't sack him, we can't get anyone better' drum and yet you're so very sure of what's going wrong and how to fix it. You can't have it both ways. Either it's completely out of Coyle's hands and the solutions, if any, are far from simple or it's so simple that someone on The Wanderer can figure it out thus we should get shut of Coyle as soon as.

As I said, they are the obvious ones, there's probably a lot more to it that we don't get to see i.e. in the training camp, but what we do get to see i.e. the team selections and his post-match interviews, they need to change. When it was good under Coyle, it was better than it ever was under Allardyce IMO and I'd rather hold on and try and get back to that with him than pick up some results and sniff around mid table with Megson type hoofball again for another 3 years.

You make it sound so easy, What experience do you have ?? Have you won the league on Fifa 2012 ??

No, David Platz is quite good though.

[Whookam]

As I said, they are the obvious ones, there's probably a lot more to it that we don't get to see i.e. in the training camp, but what we do get to see i.e. the team selections and his post-match interviews, they need to change. When it was good under Coyle, it was better than it ever was under Allardyce IMO and I'd rather hold on and try and get back to that with him than pick up some results and sniff around mid table with Megson type hoofball again for another 3 years.

So obvious yet the man in charge clearly has no intention of doing what you suggest. Hmm...