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[Wandering Willy]

Even if he wasn't fully fit?

[BWFC_Insane]

Even if he wasn't fully fit?

Ermm well we could all speculate on who is not fit and who is.

Nothing to suggest Steinsson was not fully fit.

[Lord Kangana]

And to suggest he was?

[Wandering Willy]

Leaving him on the bench suggests he wasn't fit.

[Armchair Wanderer]

I didn't know he was injured, had assumed he was just out-of-favour. Not being fully-fit would make more sense for this game.

[CAPSLOCK]

Leaving him on the bench suggests he wasn't fit.

Not having him on the bench would suggest he isn't fit

To have one defender on the bench and that defender to be an injured one is an odd decision

Under normal circumstances, anyroad

[Prufrock]

Leaving him on the bench suggests he wasn't fit.

That's backwards logic of the highest order.

[officer_dibble]

Exactly if he wasn't fit, Alonso would of been on the bench.

Another full back we paid millions for

[Lord Kangana]

Leaving him on the bench suggests he wasn't fit.

Not having him on the bench would suggest he isn't fit

To have one defender on the bench and that defender to be an injured one is an odd decision

Under normal circumstances, anyroad

Happens all the time, and I know that you know that really.

[Prufrock]

I've never said Steinsson was shit. Even if you did you would have had to say that he was so bad Wheater there and Knight at CB would be better to be a talking shit. Steinsson has his faults but he is not the worst right back ever, in fact he is certainly a better RB than Wheater is. Added to that playing Wheater there meant breaking up the only highlight of recent games, the Cahill-Wheater partnership AND playing Zat fecking Knight. It was a clueless decision. Even if Steinsson was only fit for the bench, Reo-Coker there would have been a better option. I do actually think playing Wheater there caused the red card, though only partially along with a stupid decision from Wheater himself. He had got drawn into the centre to receive the ball and decided he needed to dribble wide to be a 'RB'. If he'd been playing CB I don't think he would have had that touch. All speculation of course, but what I am fairly certain of is had he been playing where he fecking should he wouldn't have been there in the first place.

Partial or not, this is stretching it Pru.

I don't think so. First of all from a glaringly obvious point of view, if he'd been playing centre half, where he should have been, he'd have been the other side of Cahill and so wouldn't have even been there. I'd agree that shouldn't be enough though, that way we could blame Coyle for Klasnic v Norwich, bloody playing him up front. However I do believe Wheater is hugely uncomfortable playing RB. I do believe he doesn't know what he is doing there. I belief that his attempt to do a full-backy thing was what caused him to knock that ball out where he did and that led to the red card. I don't believe had he been playing at centre half, and thus felt comfortable in what he was doing that we would have attempted what he did. I'm not arguing that as fact, it is just the unfounded, instinctive impression I get of Wheater, and I don't think it is ludicrous to suggest a player playing out of position sometimes makes rash decisions because they are out of their comfort zone. Equally I can understand the view that he made a rash decision because he is an idiot, in which case I agree the red card wouldn't be OC's fault.

However, when the team sheet was read out I thought it was a fecking stupid decision. It was never going to work, even if the red card wasn't directly his fault, it was the decision of someone flapping in the dark.

[Wandering Willy]

Leaving him on the bench suggests he wasn't fit.

That's backwards logic of the highest order.

I offered a possible explanation for this further back in the thread if you care to look.

[Prufrock]

Leaving him on the bench does not suggest he was injured. Leaving him out of the squad altogether might suggest he was injured, leaving him on the bench suggests he didn't think he was part of the best team. It is possible he was injured, but it certainly doesn't suggest that. It is far more likely he just wasn't picked.

As for the idea he was only half fit, well why then didn't he stick him on straight after Wheater got sent off. And if it is because he really wasn't fit, and was there as a desperate last gasp option, why DID he put him on when Reo-Coker went off and we were a goal down? Surely a go for broke stick another body up top option would have been better, especially since when Steinsson did come on we basically played as a right winger. And, if it is because he was a last gasp option, why not put £2.5m, fully fit Alonso on the bench then, given he has shown he will when pushed play Robinson at RB? All the evidence to me points towards Steinsson fit, but deemed not good enough, which IMO is stupid. He isn't that bad. Certainly better RB than Wheater, and CERTAINLY a better option than Wheater playing RB AND Knight at CB.

[Lord Kangana]

1.8.

[Prufrock]

If his price is (x) he cost (x - a bag of Dolly Mixture) too much. But still, he is fit, so I can't see why he would put a barely fit Steinsson (so unfit it was deemed he couldn't come on after 20mins) on the bench and not one of his only buys for money...

[BWFC_Insane]

1.8.

2.2

[Lord Kangana]

Using the Elmander rule, the total package if Alonso made all his appearances would be somewhere from 2.0-2.2.

He's not going to, is he?

[BWFC_Insane]

Using the Elmander rule, the total package if Alonso made all his appearances would be somewhere from 2.0-2.2.

He's not going to, is he?

Sorry I thought we were playing numberwang.

[Lord Kangana]

Elmander rule is Numberwang.

In fact I take that back, unless the club were f*cking stupid, the total cost couldn't have been in excess of 2.1.

With appearances and bonuses built in.

[Worthy4England]

I think I'm in a minority of one, but I still think Steinsson is our best right back. Or at least, not noticeably worse than the rest. In any case, him being relegated to 7th choice led to both Wheater and Reo-Coker playing out of position, so for that alone it was a shit decision.

Sure we've done this one before' you're not in a minority of 1.

He's adequate certainly.

[BWFC_Insane]

Elmander rule is Numberwang.

In fact I take that back, unless the club were f*cking stupid, the total cost couldn't have been in excess of 2.1.

With appearances and bonuses built in.

Genuinely have no idea. Madrid wanted 5M, we talked em down to 2.2M according to Nixon. Will have been paid over installments. Given the nature of the deal I'd be surprised if any of it was appearance based. We will never know.

Whatever it was, we was fooking robbed!