Coyle - Time to go? [post-Everton]

[TANGODANCER]

Has long as k.davies is in that team we will never play good football, everytime we get it in defence we go loooooooong to him and it bounces of his head then we lose the ball. .

Notice how many times Friedel tried to bounce it off Adebayor's head? ( how many times he even kicked the ball, in fact) Did Anelka want it loooong, does any striker want it long when there's nobody of his own side near him? Does N'gog want just to replace Davies as a scapegoat? Could it be the method of play that needs some serious looking at by any chance? No, course not.

[thebish]

I think steve bruce could get us out of this shit and sort that defence out.

No chance! Apparently has the same problem as Coyle, he's a motivator who doesn't do tactics.

What wiv a face and personality like his

who ever said that needs shooting

it was a typo - I think he meant "rotivator"

[Peter Thompson]

Sorry but Coyle has to go now....

He's a decent likeable bloke, but unfortunately a totally tactically naive, out of his depth manager - If he loves the town and the fans like he keeps saying then he should do one and give us half a chance of staying up

This combination of can't be arsed, ill disciplined, clueless, poorly coached players and his holiday camp 'matey' management clearly isn't working and will not get us 30 points out the remaining 72 available.

The club should bring someone else in now, sell Cahill for 7 million and let the new manager use that money to bring 1 or 2 players in during the Jan window to hopefully somehow save us, and at the same time get shut of the old guard for good (K Davies, Robinson, Knight etc...), you never know perhaps a new manager would actually play Kakuta, N'Gog & Tuncay who given a run a games can't be any worse than Coyle's 'carthorse' favourites....!

[wanderers_on_tour]

Sorry but Coyle has to go now....

He's a decent likeable bloke, but unfortunately a totally tactically naive, out of his depth manager - If he loves the town and the fans like he keeps saying then he should do one and give us half a chance of staying up

This combination of can't be arsed, ill disciplined, clueless, poorly coached players and his holiday camp 'matey' management clearly isn't working and will not get us 30 points out the remaining 72 available.

The club should bring someone else in now, sell Cahill for 7 million and let the new manager use that money to bring 1 or 2 players in during the Jan window to hopefully somehow save us, and at the same time get shut of the old guard for good (K Davies, Robinson, Knight etc...), you never know perhaps a new manager would actually play Kakuta, N'Gog & Tuncay who given a run a games can't be any worse than Coyle's 'carthorse' favourites....!

Hate to disagree bud but these lot have featured, in some capacity (lets say 20 minutes plus), in around 75-80% of the games this season. I really want to like Tuncay and Ngog especially but as things stand they haven't shown much to lift the mood at the club. I'll agree that they can't be any worse than some of the oldies like Davies but as things stand Kakuta and Tuncay are merely loanees and really should step to the plate if they believe they have a larger role to play at the club.

[Peter Thompson]

Hate to disagree bud but these lot have featured, in some capacity (lets say 20 minutes plus), in around 75-80% of the games this season. I really want to like Tuncay and Ngog especially but as things stand they haven't shown much to lift the mood at the club. I'll agree that they can't be any worse than some of the oldies like Davies but as things stand Kakuta and Tuncay are merely loanees and really should step to the plate if they believe they have a larger role to play at the club.

Everyone is entltled to disagree - that's fine

However, to step up to the plate they need to be selected and given a decent run of games not the odd 10 mins when we're 2-0 down, and I can't recall Tuncay & Kakuta being given much time on the pitch

[wanderers_on_tour]

Hate to disagree bud but these lot have featured, in some capacity (lets say 20 minutes plus), in around 75-80% of the games this season. I really want to like Tuncay and Ngog especially but as things stand they haven't shown much to lift the mood at the club. I'll agree that they can't be any worse than some of the oldies like Davies but as things stand Kakuta and Tuncay are merely loanees and really should step to the plate if they believe they have a larger role to play at the club.

Everyone is entltled to disagree - that's fine

However, to step up to the plate they need to be selected and given a decent run of games not the odd 10 mins when we're 2-0 down, and I can't recall Tuncay & Kakuta being given much time on the pitch

True, I guess judging on 10-20 mins of play is being a tad critical especially when, as you said, these perfomances have usually been when we're already a few goals down and the overall tempo of our side has been fairly flat (West Brom, Liverpool and Arsenal away in the cup spring to mind). Just from the atmosphere at the Spurs game today I kept getting the feeling a few misguided supporters felt Kakuta was Sturridge mk 2.

[Jokers in White]

Sorry but Coyle has to go now....

He's a decent likeable bloke, but unfortunately a totally tactically naive, out of his depth manager - If he loves the town and the fans like he keeps saying then he should do one and give us half a chance of staying up

This combination of can't be arsed, ill disciplined, clueless, poorly coached players and his holiday camp 'matey' management clearly isn't working and will not get us 30 points out the remaining 72 available.

The club should bring someone else in now, sell Cahill for 7 million and let the new manager use that money to bring 1 or 2 players in during the Jan window to hopefully somehow save us, and at the same time get shut of the old guard for good (K Davies, Robinson, Knight etc...), you never know perhaps a new manager would actually play Kakuta, N'Gog & Tuncay who given a run a games can't be any worse than Coyle's 'carthorse' favourites....!

Agree with everything in this post!

[officer_dibble]

C&P from last week PT? Seems like a carbon copy result as well, though a harsher sending off this week.

He aint good enough, and surely must be losing a grip. With Megson it was inevitable but with this relationship, the ex player aspect is making it difficult, we all like Owen as a bloke and it makes it harder to wish the boot upon him, but it does seem inevitable that the relationship needs to be ended, at least in a managerial capacity.

Anyways the guy who wrote this will be happy soon - http://ghostgoal.co.uk/2011/05/17/the-owen-coyle-myth/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CAPSLOCK]

Indefensible

Bye

[officer_dibble]

I reckon we've got at least one more tactically inept defeat before we wave goodbye yet

[Jokers in White]

Has long as k.davies is in that team we will never play good football, everytime we get it in defence we go loooooooong to him and it bounces of his head then we lose the ball. Why are the majority of the players never fit huffin and puffin after 20mins its like watching a pub team, got to start working these legs instead of the wrists. Spurs have had 2 games this week yet were still at full pelt in injury time, m. davies was the only one today that looked fit and carried the ball well but was just surrounded by shit. I think steve bruce could get us out of this shit and sort that defence out.

The same Bruce that had a worse record than Coyles current run of losses? having also spent ridiculous amounts of money...

Nobody has a worse record than coyle 11 defeats 0 draws bruce 6 defeats and 5 draws big difference there. Bruce wouldnt be my 1st choice lets get that straight but with him being a free agent now and his track record might appeal to gartside.

[CAPSLOCK]

Watch the first and second goals and all you need to know about why he has to go will be there, in full view

Inept, he is

[Jokers in White]

I reckon we've got at least one more tactically inept defeat before we wave goodbye yet

I said last week the villa game should be win or bust for coyle, but it seems gartside is blaming injuries and suspension's for our shite form.

[officer_dibble]

I think the fact he's done about 3 radio interviews today shows he is feeling the heat - being kind to Megson saying he did the job he came into do (before nearly f*cking it up again) Garty is on a win lose win lose run with managerial appointments....the next one best be right...

[thebish]

it'll be reet!

[Hoboh]

Thought he'd have gone by now!

Is Eddie D up Everest and out of touch on Phils recomendation to chill out for a while

[Jokers in White]

Thought he'd have gone by now!

Is Eddie D up Everest and out of touch on Phils recomendation to chill out for a while

He might has well be I would be shocked and flabbergasted if he's still in a job next week if we lose to villa.

[thebish]

Thought he'd have gone by now!

Is Eddie D up Everest and out of touch on Phils recomendation to chill out for a while

He might has well be I would be shocked and flabbergasted if he's still in a job next week if we lose to villa.

that - to me - is one of the differences with the Coyle situation over the Megson era... under megson - we got to the point where some fans said they actually WANTED to lose games so that it would trigger his sacking... I haven't heard anyone quite do that yet...

[BWFC_Insane]

I've been thinking about the money argument as well.

This is the squad from Megson's last game in charge.

22 Jaaskelainen
04 Robinson
05 Cahill
12 Knight
15 Steinsson
06 Muamba
07 Taylor
21 Cohen
27 Lee
14 Davies
17 Klasnic (McCann 75 yellow card)
Substitutes
26 Al Habsi, 18 Ricketts, 31 O'Brien, 11 Gardner, 16 Davies, 19 McCann, 09 Elmander

Of those players Andy O Brien, McCann, Elmander, Taylor, Cohen and Al Habsi have left (add in Samuel). So 7 players of arguable significance left, certainly players who had featured in the first team in relatively recent history. 12 of those players are still in the squad.

During a similar period time-wise Megson lost the services of Diouf, Anelka, Nolan, Speed, Campo, Stelios, Meite, Wihelmsson, Braaten, Cid, Alonso, Michalik. All players who had featured in the first team in the premiership.

To put that into perspective from our last game against Spurs 8 of the first 11 pre-dated Coyle at the club.

In Megson's last game in charge only 2 of the first 11 pre-dated his time at the club.

Coyle has had less to replace IMHO and therefore I'm not sure the spending argument entirely stacks up. To add to this, as I'm sure the suggestion will be that the playing resources Coyle were left with were not very good. Even if that is the case then surely the least we should expect is to finish 13th or thereabouts?

[ChrisC]

I've been thinking about the money argument as well.

This is the squad from Megson's last game in charge.

22 Jaaskelainen
04 Robinson
05 Cahill
12 Knight
15 Steinsson
06 Muamba
07 Taylor
21 Cohen
27 Lee
14 Davies
17 Klasnic (McCann 75 yellow card)
Substitutes
26 Al Habsi, 18 Ricketts, 31 O'Brien, 11 Gardner, 16 Davies, 19 McCann, 09 Elmander

Of those players Andy O Brien, McCann, Elmander, Taylor, Cohen and Al Habsi have left (add in Samuel). So 7 players of arguable significance left, certainly players who had featured in the first team in relatively recent history. 12 of those players are still in the squad.

During a similar period time-wise Megson lost the services of Diouf, Anelka, Nolan, Speed, Campo, Stelios, Meite, Wihelmsson, Braaten, Cid, Alonso, Michalik. All players who had featured in the first team in the premiership.

Coyle has had less to replace IMHO and therefore I'm not sure the spending argument entirely stacks up. To add to this, as I'm sure the suggestion will be that the playing resources Coyle were left with were not very good. Even if that is the case then surely the least we should expect is to finish 13th or thereabouts?

Correct .. lets refer back to this post on May 13th then