Coyle - Time to go? [post-Everton]

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Venables was parachuted in to help Bryan Robson

A somewhat ostentatious arrival!

Maybe TV jumped out of the helicopter Keegan was always using to get in and out of St James' Park.

[Andy Waller]

Do you always touche men when they're asleep..?

I bet he does the dirty sod...

[Gooner Girl]

Interesting stat if true...

Megson got sacked after Bolton 2-2 Hull 18 games, 18 points.
Coyle's record this season : 15 games, 9 points.

[BWFC_Insane]

Interesting stat if true...

Megson got sacked after Bolton 2-2 Hull 18 games, 18 points.
Coyle's record this season : 15 games, 9 points.

Bloody hell, we've only been discussing this for the past 2 months.......

[Gooner Girl]

Interesting stat if true...

Megson got sacked after Bolton 2-2 Hull 18 games, 18 points.
Coyle's record this season : 15 games, 9 points.

Bloody hell, we've only been discussing this for the past 2 months.......

Ahhh sorry, couldn't be arsed to read the whole thread and came across this elsewhere.

[BWFC_Insane]

Interesting stat if true...

Megson got sacked after Bolton 2-2 Hull 18 games, 18 points.
Coyle's record this season : 15 games, 9 points.

Bloody hell, we've only been discussing this for the past 2 months.......

Ahhh sorry, couldn't be arsed to read the whole thread and came across this elsewhere.

Its ok. Coyle is shit. I think the general point is well accepted now....

[Gooner Girl]

Interesting stat if true...

Megson got sacked after Bolton 2-2 Hull 18 games, 18 points.
Coyle's record this season : 15 games, 9 points.

Bloody hell, we've only been discussing this for the past 2 months.......

Ahhh sorry, couldn't be arsed to read the whole thread and came across this elsewhere.

Its ok. Coyle is shit. I think the general point is well accepted now....

That wasn't quite the point i was making, i don't happen to think he is that bad. As an outsider i would give him a bit more time if i was Gartside (but i admit i see it differently from you lot cos i don't have the gut wrenching emotion of losing most weeks.) My point was more a general wondering of whether Megson was hard done by, and how come the powers that be have given Coyle more time? (although i think they are right to do so)

Anyway, you're gonna win tomorrow, I can feel it in my bones. I'm going and i have never seen you lose live to anyone other then Arsenal. Coyle will have a bit of breathing space. 2-0 Bolton.

[2399]

We need to win our next 4 or more to get some breathing space

[Armchair Wanderer]

That wasn't quite the point i was making, i don't happen to think he is that bad. As an outsider i would give him a bit more time if i was Gartside (but i admit i see it differently from you lot cos i don't have the gut wrenching emotion of losing most weeks.) My point was more a general wondering of whether Megson was hard done by, and how come the powers that be have given Coyle more time? (although i think they are right to do so)

Anyway, you're gonna win tomorrow, I can feel it in my bones. I'm going and i have never seen you lose live to anyone other then Arsenal. Coyle will have a bit of breathing space. 2-0 Bolton.

So we have to win three in a row to be as bad as we were under the previous manager!? Yowzers!

I wasn't posting here back then and I didn't really like seeing his post-match interviews but my main "beef" was the booing and general negativity, it sounds like negativity was everywhere: the training ground, matchday, post-match, the terraces. At least we don't have that now.

[Gooner Girl]

That wasn't quite the point i was making, i don't happen to think he is that bad. As an outsider i would give him a bit more time if i was Gartside (but i admit i see it differently from you lot cos i don't have the gut wrenching emotion of losing most weeks.) My point was more a general wondering of whether Megson was hard done by, and how come the powers that be have given Coyle more time? (although i think they are right to do so)

Anyway, you're gonna win tomorrow, I can feel it in my bones. I'm going and i have never seen you lose live to anyone other then Arsenal. Coyle will have a bit of breathing space. 2-0 Bolton.

So we have to win three in a row to be as bad as we were under the previous manager!? Yowzers!

I wasn't posting here back then and I didn't really like seeing his post-match interviews but my main "beef" was the booing and general negativity, it sounds like negativity was everywhere: the training ground, matchday, post-match, the terraces. At least we don't have that now.

I remember, it seemed from my (limited) viewpoint the crowd got on Megsons back far quicker then they are Coyles? - but why? Coyle must be doing something right if there is less negativity around then when Megson was in charge - but what? And is it enough for him to keep his job and give a glimmer of hope that he can turn things around?

[2399]

He was a Bolton Player?

[CrazyHorse]

He was a Bolton Player?

Who was?

[Gooner Girl]

He was a Bolton Player?

Who was?

Does he mean Coyle? Thats the reason he's being given an easier time by the fans compared to Megson?

[BWFC_Insane]

That wasn't quite the point i was making, i don't happen to think he is that bad. As an outsider i would give him a bit more time if i was Gartside (but i admit i see it differently from you lot cos i don't have the gut wrenching emotion of losing most weeks.) My point was more a general wondering of whether Megson was hard done by, and how come the powers that be have given Coyle more time? (although i think they are right to do so)

Anyway, you're gonna win tomorrow, I can feel it in my bones. I'm going and i have never seen you lose live to anyone other then Arsenal. Coyle will have a bit of breathing space. 2-0 Bolton.

So we have to win three in a row to be as bad as we were under the previous manager!? Yowzers!

I wasn't posting here back then and I didn't really like seeing his post-match interviews but my main "beef" was the booing and general negativity, it sounds like negativity was everywhere: the training ground, matchday, post-match, the terraces. At least we don't have that now.

I remember, it seemed from my (limited) viewpoint the crowd got on Megsons back far quicker then they are Coyles? - but why? Coyle must be doing something right if there is less negativity around then when Megson was in charge - but what? And is it enough for him to keep his job and give a glimmer of hope that he can turn things around?

Its complex, I'd say. When Megson came in the club was a complete mess after Sammy Lee had left it in a state.

But the 4 previous seasons of top 10 finishes, Europe etc under Allardyce were still fresh in people's memories. Even though by the end of his reign a LOT of Bolton fans were unhappy with the football we were producing.

So Megson came in, tidied up the mess Lee made and just about kept us up. But the football wasn't usually scintillating, (though there was the odd moment), he played a second string in the UEFA cup quarter final which many took umbridge to. Can debate that all day, though he was under instruction by Gartside and Eddie D to keep us up at all costs. He felt it was a sacrifice we had to make, right or wrong, he did what his bosses wanted and kept us up...

Then he spent some money, that was needed because the squad was ageing, struggling and had lost quite a few bodies. We had an OK season and finished 13th but again it wasn't thrilling or as good as it was before...

Then we were in the bottom 3 with 18 from 18 and well the negativity was overwhelming all round.

I think the truth is that a lot thought he was a poor appointment and wouldn't change their minds whatever he did. Some didn't like him for whatever reason and wouldn't change their minds, but for me a lot thought that we should have gone for a big name appointment to follow up on where we were under Allardyce.

Fact is the club was in decline long before Allardyce left, and the league positions masked an ageing squad, that gradually the best players were leaving, a slow midfield and a team that began to struggle and run out of legs before Allardyce did one...

Megson was blamed for the decline when truth is I thought he did just about ok, given the difficult circumstances we were in. I don't think he was ever a long term answer and probably went at the right time, but he didn't really get enough credit for keeping us up in his first year when really at various points we looked more than gone.

I would say as many Bolton fans want Coyle out now as did Megson they just don't have the energy, or heart to shout it at games, or scream too loudly about it. The decline from March/April last year has been too steep to prompt that sort of stuff and Coyle has been seen as a nice guy, and has a connection. It was easier for people to scream Megson out, as he was seen as a nasty man, who had no connection to the club.

[thebish]

GG??????

why the dick have you dragged all this up again?????

BWFCi needs no fecking encouragement!!! stoppit now!!!

[Gooner Girl]

GG??????

why the dick have you dragged all this up again?????

BWFCi needs no fecking encouragement!!! stoppit now!!!

Well i thought he gave me a good, thoughtful, concise and interesting answer!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

BWFCi needs no fecking encouragement!!! stoppit now!!!

Well i thought he gave me a good, thoughtful, concise and interesting answer!

So did I. Like many I long since tired of the OC v GM, Poster A v Poster B squabbles, but that was an interesting read prompted by an honest (outsider's) question.

I think it's completely beyond dispute that OC has been given more lassitude or leeway than Megson, who was to say the least an unpopular decision. True, it might only have been the odd knobhead brandishing bedsheets at his first game, but it set the tone, and anger was never far away. From where I sit, Megson didn't help himself with his bristlingly negative persona and cautiously defensive mindset - but then from where I sit, Sammy Lee hadn't helped himself with his bubblingly optimistic persona and naively attacking mindset, a pattern which appears to be repeating itself with the current manager.

In truth, BWFCi was saying long before most that "If a Megson team had done that...". I think much of the vitriol aimed at BWFCi is soured adrenaline from OC's promising early days – the realisation that yes, things have gone horribly wrong, just as predicted. Of course, there's then always the issue of appearing to harp on, or to pipe up only when occasion suits - known is some parts as the Peter Thompson Phenomenon.

But it's hard not to be hated when your doom-laden prophesies are proved right. Look what happened to Cassandra. At least we aren't going to be in Europe and come up against Ajax...

[Bruce Rioja]

Interesting stat if true...

Megson got sacked after Bolton 2-2 Hull 18 games, 18 points.
Coyle's record this season : 15 games, 9 points.

I didn't know that, GG, and am grateful to you for pointing it out.

As, no doubt, are the countless others that also avoid BWFC Insane's posts.

[BWFC_Insane]

BWFCi needs no fecking encouragement!!! stoppit now!!!

Well i thought he gave me a good, thoughtful, concise and interesting answer!

So did I. Like many I long since tired of the OC v GM, Poster A v Poster B squabbles, but that was an interesting read prompted by an honest (outsider's) question.

I think it's completely beyond dispute that OC has been given more lassitude or leeway than Megson, who was to say the least an unpopular decision. True, it might only have been the odd knobhead brandishing bedsheets at his first game, but it set the tone, and anger was never far away. From where I sit, Megson didn't help himself with his bristlingly negative persona and cautiously defensive mindset - but then from where I sit, Sammy Lee hadn't helped himself with his bubblingly optimistic persona and naively attacking mindset, a pattern which appears to be repeating itself with the current manager.

In truth, BWFCi was saying long before most that "If a Megson team had done that...". I think much of the vitriol aimed at BWFCi is soured adrenaline from OC's promising early days – the realisation that yes, things have gone horribly wrong, just as predicted. Of course, there's then always the issue of appearing to harp on, or to pipe up only when occasion suits - known is some parts as the Peter Thompson Phenomenon.

But it's hard not to be hated when your doom-laden prophesies are proved right. Look what happened to Cassandra. At least we aren't going to be in Europe and come up against Ajax...

See I haven't been prophesising doom forever, only since we started get royally rumbled against the big boys early doors this season. I always said this summer will be a huge test for Coyle and probably the first on of it's nature in his career.

How clever could he be in replacing Elmander and Sturridge and adding a few others as well. I know LK will come along and say he spent nothing and I am sympathetic that he hasn't had oodles of cash to blow around. But despite what people say we never have had that, even Megsons figures are distorted by the fact we sold a huge number of players in his time here and needed to rebuild rapidly....


Owen has spent a bit and more than say Allardyce spent early doors in the premiership and for me that's his biggest failure. His buys haven't worked. Alonso, Wheater, NGog, Eagles...there is a range of ok to pretty dire in there, but 11M or so, has been spent and it's hard to see where it had improved us. And that's not even taking into account the loan fees which Nixon claims are not small fry for Tuncay and Boyata....plus the huge wages we've paid for Petrov to sit on the bench even when his only natural competition for the left hand side has been sold.

A times I've genuinely believed Owens positivity and affiliation with the club would pull us through....I've wanted to believe....I hope that in the next few days some belief will be back.....

But I can't help thinking that Allardyce brought an ethos to the club that was basically, do what it takes in the short term to win and stay up...it wasn't about planning for the future or owt, but it was a sea change for the club previously under Todd where it was more about nice football than actually winning and achieving something....Coyle may be all about the youth, positivity and wingers, but I worry he's sunk us back into the old Todd mentality of being a nice place to come and get a win at rather than a really tricky club punching above it's weight that Sam and to an extent Megson created...

[Worthy4England]

BWFCi needs no fecking encouragement!!! stoppit now!!!

Well i thought he gave me a good, thoughtful, concise and interesting answer!

So did I. Like many I long since tired of the OC v GM, Poster A v Poster B squabbles, but that was an interesting read prompted by an honest (outsider's) question.

I think it's completely beyond dispute that OC has been given more lassitude or leeway than Megson, who was to say the least an unpopular decision. True, it might only have been the odd knobhead brandishing bedsheets at his first game, but it set the tone, and anger was never far away. From where I sit, Megson didn't help himself with his bristlingly negative persona and cautiously defensive mindset - but then from where I sit, Sammy Lee hadn't helped himself with his bubblingly optimistic persona and naively attacking mindset, a pattern which appears to be repeating itself with the current manager.

In truth, BWFCi was saying long before most that "If a Megson team had done that...". I think much of the vitriol aimed at BWFCi is soured adrenaline from OC's promising early days – the realisation that yes, things have gone horribly wrong, just as predicted. Of course, there's then always the issue of appearing to harp on, or to pipe up only when occasion suits - known is some parts as the Peter Thompson Phenomenon.

But it's hard not to be hated when your doom-laden prophesies are proved right. Look what happened to Cassandra. At least we aren't going to be in Europe and come up against Ajax...

I think a lot of this is right and as a fully paid up member of the grumpy owd gits club, I think BWFCI is getting generally some unfair stick from people who despite all the evidence to the contrary seem to think all in the garden's rosy, or the best we're going to get.

If that's so, I'd rather go out kicking and screaming and telling the blind buggers "told you", than just accepting the status quo. They're far too happy.

I do take one issue with BWFCI. The myth that the squad was aging and running out of legs, so he replaced it with shiny and new. The average age of the squad under Megson increased from the one he inherited. People forget how young Hunt, Nolan, Diouf etc. were and by the time Megson finished, Jussi, Davo etc. were a couple of years older too.