Mr Lazy.

[plymouth wanderer]

Who else has played as consistently well as ivan this season?

Earlier on in the season the stats showed he put himself about more; covering nearly twice as much ground as 'workhorse' kevin davies.

he is in to score goals and he has done it. if we are pointing fingers at lazy forwards look no further than our captain. Whose influence is clearly rubbing off on the rest of the shirkers.

Agreed

davo should't be in the team let alone captain

reo-coker should be captain IMO

[Gail Platz]

He's the only one scoring up front with 7 so far. Put it this way i would rather have a lazy fcuker up front scoring goals than a headless chicken scoring once every blue moon!

Or a lump of shit that doesn't run or score goals! God, imagine having one of them....

[One Hump Or Two?]

Yes, Klasnic is the most proven goalscorer we have in the team and is great at converting half-chances but he does very little else. He is not quick or mobile so doesn't stretch defences. And he isn't great at holding it up or linking play, so he doesn't give us much of an outlet to take the pressure off the midfield.

There wouldn't be a problem if he sat on his arse on the penalty spot and did the sudoku for 90 minutes before sticking one away to give us a 1-0 win (or even a draw, remember them?) but that's not where we're at. We need to change the balance and set-up of the team because what we're doing now sure as hell ain't working.

So I would give Ngog a run for a few games, try to use him to bring attacking midfielders more into play, and tell him that if he gets a shooting chance, just whack the shit out of it and discuss the options later. Use Klasnic in the last 15/20 mins if we are still in the game at that point.

All that said, this is only about the 9th most important selection dilemma we have right now.

[Bruce Rioja]

All my life there's been a fair percentage of clueless Bolton fans that measure a players merit on work-rate rather than ability (David Reeves, Bernard Mendy and so on). No-one was more pissed off than me at the lack of effort put in by the players on Saturday, but I'm happy for Klasnic to fetch his armchair onto the field so long as he pops up out of it to score goals. Hardly his fault he didn't receive one iota of service now, is it?!

[CarlosHernandez]

If it was Ivan in place of Muamba and Davies for our best chances last weekend then I'm thinking we may have collected some points. As is always the argument with us, if Klasnic had more strings to his bow then he would be plying his trade with some European cup team. Just a quick glance at the goals for and against table will tell you us putting it in the net isn't the problem. If it was all about scoring then we'd be sitting in a Europe place.

[Andy Waller]

All my life there's been a fair percentage of clueless Bolton fans that measure a players merit on work-rate rather than ability (David Reeves, Bernard Mendy and so on). No-one was more pissed off than me at the lack of effort put in by the players on Saturday, but I'm happy for Klasnic to fetch his armchair onto the field so long as he pops up out of it to score goals. Hardly his fault he didn't receive one iota of service now, is it?!

So you're happy with him not even trying? I'm well away that tear arseing around like a blue arsed fly gets you nowhere, but if he did actually move once in a while, we might get a chance to go 1-0 up instead of scoring when the opposition dozes off because they're winning 4-0.

Klasnic's idea of service consists of the ball being passed within a yard of him or he throws a mini tantrum.

I agree, he's a fantastic finisher and in a team like say Arsenal, where there's loads of chances created, he'd get a panful. But he's not even making runs at the moment and that's the last thing we need.

Ngog looks ok to me or even Tuncay but they don't get nearly enough time on the pitch to make a difference.

[n035209]

For me he has actually been less lazy this year, I could dig some stats out but cant be arsed as im lazy.

He scores goals, unlike the rest of um, Ngog in for Davies, but not tonight. If were moaning about klasnic think we need to reasses and start actually looking at player that do feck all. Pratley for one, shocking, Lazy and doesnt score! IMO

I wonder what time coyle will be drawing the team out of a hat???

Id take a draw tonight, anything to stop the rotten.

[The Axman]

If Coyle's sticking with 4-4-2, I'd still have Klasnic up front but I'd pair him with Eagles. I'd get N'gog in as an attacking midfielder, someone who'd run in with the ball, rather than have him as a target man. Radical, I don't think so, but might be enough to kick start the season. And it needs some kicking.

[boltonboris]

So we play a midfielder up front and a forward in midfield?

It's chopping, changing and playing players out of position that has massively contributed to where we are now.

[CrazyHorse]

So we play a midfielder up front and a forward in midfield?

It's chopping, changing and playing players out of position that has massively contributed to where we are now.

Yeah but that's not Coyles fault as he handed over the team selection duties to Camelot back in the summer.
Apparently tonight's team will be drawn using Guinevere and set of balls number 6.

[The Axman]

So we play a midfielder up front and a forward in midfield?

It's chopping, changing and playing players out of position that has massively contributed to where we are now.

No, it's playing players out of position who don't perform that has massively contributed to the downfall. I believe most problems are at the back, but some of that is caused by the lack of support from midfield. This thread is about Mr Lazy; I was just suggesting a way of keeping the goals up, while giving a more mobile midfield. I just don't rate N'gog as a striker, but I think he'd make a mobile supportive attacking midfielder which would help take some pressure off defence. Ivan can wander about waiting for his half chances, whilst Eagles runs about like a demented thing... makes perfect sense to me. (But then again when you point out that I'd have a midfielder as attacker and an attacker in midfield, yeh I see what you mean).

[BWFC_Insane]

Ngog is a striker with a bit of pace who should be right on the shoulder of the last defender.

Not dicking around in midfield.

[boltonboris]

The idea of playing Eagles as a second striker, isn;t a bad one.. Having N'gog in midfield is where I'd start to worry.

He doesn't like the ball on the edge of the opposing box.. Imagine what he'd be like near his own! :-s

[The Axman]

Ngog is a striker with a bit of pace who should be right on the shoulder of the last defender.

Not dicking around in midfield.

But he isn't a striker, is he. I've scored more goals than he has.

[BWFC_Insane]

Ngog is a striker with a bit of pace who should be right on the shoulder of the last defender.

Not dicking around in midfield.

But he isn't a striker, is he. I've scored more goals than he has.

Tough for him to score when he's sat on the bench.

[The Axman]

Ngog is a striker with a bit of pace who should be right on the shoulder of the last defender.

Not dicking around in midfield.

But he isn't a striker, is he. I've scored more goals than he has.

Tough for him to score when he's sat on the bench.

True. But his goalscoring record per minute played is one of the lowest in the universe.

[BWFC_Insane]

Ngog is a striker with a bit of pace who should be right on the shoulder of the last defender.

Not dicking around in midfield.

But he isn't a striker, is he. I've scored more goals than he has.

Tough for him to score when he's sat on the bench.

True. But his goalscoring record per minute played is one of the lowest in the universe.

He's not exactly had many starts or runs of games.

It won't be much worse than Kevin Davies, who is still picked week in week out....

[The Axman]

Yep. As I said, I'd play him (just in midfield). I'll shut up now. Coat's on...

[keveh]

As others have said Klasnic can sit on a deck chair up front for all I care, just as long as he's putting the ball in the back of the net. I'm not sure how important his goals are in terms of points this season (re: I can't be arsed looking) but without them we'd look even worse this season.

I would like to see the Ngog - Klasnic front line used for a couple of games in a row to give them a chance together. They're the perfect combination of one doing all the work and the other burying the chances.

[Jokers in White]

He's the only one scoring up front with 7 so far. Put it this way i would rather have a lazy fcuker up front scoring goals than a headless chicken scoring once every blue moon!

Or a lump of shit that doesn't run or score goals! God, imagine having one of them....

belter that one mate!