Onwards and Upwards Everton vs Bolton (Match thread)

[thebish]

If you say so, how can I possibly disagree?

{sigh}

believe it or not - I'm interested in your opinion!! Is KD good at holding the ball up in the corners? what do you think?

Given his experience he's got more know-how of what to do to run the clock down than NGog, I'd imagine....

not know-how that actually translates into holding the ball up in the corner though...

what if SheffU offered us £1,000,000 in this window - would he still be a worthwhile option to keep?

[Lord Kangana]

If you guarantee our survival, then absolutely.

Is it a part of the deal?

[Prufrock]

What, coz he f*cked it up once?! Presumably Ivan's left foot is a bag of wank too after that Wolves free-kick?

As ever, it depends what that £1m is actually useful for. If it is the difference between a quality Cahill replacement and some pace up front/ bionic body parts for Pea-Head and Chungy then I'd take it. If not I'd be quite happy to keep Davo as an impact player.

[Armchair Wanderer]

I've seen Sheff Utd this season and I think he'd do a lot of damage at that level (good damage).

It's not just the £1M fee but it'd also be £1M in wages for half a season. Interesting question.

[thebish]

What, coz he f*cked it up once?! Presumably Ivan's left foot is a bag of wank too after that Wolves free-kick?

As ever, it depends what that £1m is actually useful for. If it is the difference between a quality Cahill replacement and some pace up front/ bionic body parts for Pea-Head and Chungy then I'd take it. If not I'd be quite happy to keep Davo as an impact player.

what impact do you think he has now?

[BWFC_Insane]

If you say so, how can I possibly disagree?

{sigh}

believe it or not - I'm interested in your opinion!! Is KD good at holding the ball up in the corners? what do you think?

Given his experience he's got more know-how of what to do to run the clock down than NGog, I'd imagine....

not know-how that actually translates into holding the ball up in the corner though...

what if SheffU offered us £1,000,000 in this window - would he still be a worthwhile option to keep?

It would be tough to turn down....

But equally if he finds life as a 20 minute game-changer it could be worth a lot more than that....

[CAPSLOCK]

Only impact on me is a reminder of Trevor Morgan

[Wandering Willy]

Only game he's changing is with a remote control.

It's over, it's been great at times in the past - we have to move on.

Jussi next.

[Prufrock]

What, coz he f*cked it up once?! Presumably Ivan's left foot is a bag of wank too after that Wolves free-kick?

As ever, it depends what that £1m is actually useful for. If it is the difference between a quality Cahill replacement and some pace up front/ bionic body parts for Pea-Head and Chungy then I'd take it. If not I'd be quite happy to keep Davo as an impact player.

what impact do you think he has now?

Draws defenders in. All season we've seen teams put one in front of him, one behind him. If that is the case, then that is one fewer up front, if they don't then he still has the ability to hold the ball up make things difficult. We're likely to get more free-kicks, and give more away with Kev on for the last 20. It's one thing refs giving free kicks against him when we are desperate to create something, but defenders are much more likely to give free-kicks away when they need to get it back up the other end. If we get a free-kick, pressure off, keep it and run the clock down, if they get one, so what. Breaks the game up and all they were likely to do would be go direct anyway, gives a chance to get organised.

Most likely is that they'll commit bodies forward leaving space at the back his knock-downs can expose for a counter. Petrov's goal against Spurs at home last year was the perfect example.

That's the impact I think he could have now. What impact he has now is hard to tell given we're apparently judging his super sub role on a few mins last night, from which I'd venture we can't tell very much. There is plenty of evidence over his career he has the nous to hold the ball up, one f*ck up in the corner last night doesn't disprove that.

[thebish]

It would be tough to turn down....

But equally if he finds life as a 20 minute game-changer it could be worth a lot more than that....

how does KD change a game in the last 20mins (in a good way)?

[thebish]

That's the impact I think he could have now. What impact he has now is hard to tell given we're apparently judging his super sub role on a few mins last night, from which I'd venture we can't tell very much. There is plenty of evidence over his career he has the nous to hold the ball up, one f*ck up in the corner last night doesn't disprove that.

y'see - I don't think there is much evidence recently of KD having this game-changing ability to hold the ball up... more often than not it bounces off him, or he gives a way a free-kick...

I guess it's a game of opinions!

[Armchair Wanderer]

Coz if he can't do anything off the bench he's stopping a young player from emerging from our reserves/youth system.

You can definitely see that he slows the games down. I.e. play has to stop when a free kick is given. There may be games when we need that, maybe last night was one.

[Prufrock]

I'd not argue with that recently when he has started games. Teams are naturally more cautious and I don't think he has the swiftness of legs or feet to break through, given a combination of time and the further the game gets from its laughable claim to be a contact sport have meant he is ineffective as a battering ram. In a more open game, where the opposition commit people forward and there is space for a breaking Petrov type then he think he has the brains and the ability to exploit that. One of the major reasons KD has looked so poor this year is he has had nobody up top with him with any pace whatsoever, so teams play a high line, which means even when he does win headers they aren't in dangerous areas. In games we are losing, so committing players forward, making the other team defend deep, I think there is a role for him because his either he can win headers in areas that matter, or his very presence will draw two or three defenders.

[Prufrock]

Coz if he can't do anything off the bench he's stopping a young player from emerging from our reserves/youth system.

You can definitely see that he slows the games down. I.e. play has to stop when a free kick is given. There may be games when we need that, maybe last night was one.

Don't buy that logic at all. If they're good enough, and he isn't, they'll make their way past. Getting rid of him and putting a kid who isn't good enough on the bench isn't going to make that kid good enough.

[thebish]

Coz if he can't do anything off the bench he's stopping a young player from emerging from our reserves/youth system.

You can definitely see that he slows the games down. I.e. play has to stop when a free kick is given. There may be games when we need that, maybe last night was one.

Don't buy that logic at all. If they're good enough, and he isn't, they'll make their way past. Getting rid of him and putting a kid who isn't good enough on the bench isn't going to make that kid good enough.

Only if you think that Coyle has the balls to drop KD entirely - ie - off the bench as well - should that someone who would have a bigger impact on the game be available...

[Prufrock]

Not really, because I have very little doubt he'd drop Tuncay if he thought there was a kid ready, and that hasn't happened either. It's not like there is only one place on the bench. If there was kid it might be they force themself past Tuncay, get a chance, take it, and then it is a question of Tuncay having to get past Kev.

[Athers]

Our first goal last night

[thebish]

i suspect the story is bollox - but I also think a rubicon has been crossed - barring injuries - KD is not getting back in the starting lineup anytime soon - so it's last ten mins sub appearances at best (which is more Coyle's style than last 20mins!)..

and offered a choice between the chance of KD making a significant difference for the odd 10mins per game over £1,000,000 and the weight of his wages off the books - and thus the possibility of more flexibility in the january window - I'd be tempted by the cash!

also - i'm guessing - but I suspect Davo would be happier as a hero at SheffU for his twiglet years than as a bit part consolation sub at Bolton.. I may be wrong though...

[plymouth wanderer]

i suspect the story is bollox - but I also think a rubicon has been crossed - barring injuries - KD is not getting back in the starting lineup anytime soon - so it's last ten mins sub appearances at best (which is more Coyle's style than last 20mins!)..

and offered a choice between the chance of KD making a significant difference for the odd 10mins per game over £1,000,000 and the weight of his wages off the books - and thus the possibility of more flexibility in the january window - I'd be tempted by the cash!

also - i'm guessing - but I suspect Davo would be happier as a hero at SheffU for his twiglet years than as a bit part consolation sub at Bolton.. I may be wrong though...

Agreed

it's probably bollocks tho no ones gonna pay a mill for davo

i think eaves is back soon i would rather he had a chance over davo and i bet he would be better at holding the ball up aswell

by all accounts eaves looked pretty good in pre-season

[Athers]

We'd be missing out on moments like that inexplicable backheel last night though

Ohh Davo, how we love you so.