CH's all singing all dancing transfer gossip thread on toast

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It is sensible to go in for Rhys Williams (if not at £6m, which I doubt).

It would be idiotic to start deadline-day negotiations by offering your highest price. Of course you low-ball. Of course you do. What matters then is how much you increase your bid, which must depend on how much money you have and how highly you rate the player.

I really do think fans clearly show their personality types on deadline day. It's quite fascinating.

[Abs]

Miyaichi to Bolton. You will get a very talented youngster with unique story. This guy will not be a Kakuta signing, he's better player. you will end up loving him and he may very well save you from relegation. Petrov days are numbered

I'm genuinely excited about Miyaichi; by all accounts he excelled in Holland, and was given a further UK work permit on the back of that exceptional talent. He needs the experience, we need the player, Arsenal need the minutes. It makes sense and has done since I mentioned it in a TW feature written at the beginning of the window...

Can't he also play right-wing, Abs? By the way, it's nice to see you come here without being a WUM about Cahill. As many fans of other teams have discovered, if you come with abuse you'll get it back in spades - but the same applies to conversation.
EDIT: Ah, ok. You bit the fish. Rise above it.

Miyaichi is very green, but exceptional talent. He never belonged to a football club or went to any football academy before we signed him. He was discovered playing for his highschool and came to us for trail. He played extremely well for the reserves. then was signed few months after he finished highschool and went to holland in loan and looked very good there.

He's a two footed player who is very quick and good dribbler. chamberlain is little ahead of him physically, hence why he has got a chance before. but make no mistake. chamberlain and Miyaichi will be Arsenal wide men in the future. he also has exceptional attitude and incredible pace. word is he broke Arsenal sprint record which was held by walcott and before that henry

[ChrisC]

Just because a club values a player at x amount it doesn't mean they are worth that. Coyle has said all along he has a value for players and won't go over that value. You don't get if you don't ask!

Thanks for this....I didn't realise that OC was so clever

I'm not saying that the player is worth what the club is asking, I'm saying if a club is approached and asked 'how much for player x', and they tell us £6M - why would they accept £3M unless they were desperate to offload the player.

My point exactly.. If the player is Dos Santos for examaple then Spurs do want to offload and might just let him go under valuation.

[Tals-biggest-fan]

My mums boyfriend is a boro fan and he said this Rhys Williams is the only real quality they have in their squad, would be a good addition I reacon!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I'm saying if a club is approached and asked 'how much for player x', and they tell us £6M - why would they accept £3M

Because that's just not how it works in the real world, as opposed to fantasy football or Championship f*ckin' Manager. The buying club doesn't ask how much; they offer an amount and the sellers decide whether they agree. A fairly common tactic/bluff is to laugh and say "Double it". At which point you negotiate, or move on, especially if you're short of time.

[BWFC_Insane]

It is sensible to go in for Rhys Williams (if not at £6m, which I doubt).

It would be idiotic to start deadline-day negotiations by offering your highest price. Of course you low-ball. Of course you do. What matters then is how much you increase your bid, which must depend on how much money you have and how highly you rate the player.

I really do think fans clearly show their personality types on deadline day. It's quite fascinating.

Is it?

Really?

I think we have more pressing issues than a DM/CB/RB...

[mighty_whites]

Just because a club values a player at x amount it doesn't mean they are worth that. Coyle has said all along he has a value for players and won't go over that value. You don't get if you don't ask!

Thanks for this....I didn't realise that OC was so clever

I'm not saying that the player is worth what the club is asking, I'm saying if a club is approached and asked 'how much for player x', and they tell us £6M - why would they accept £3M unless they were desperate to offload the player.

True if a club did that to us e.g. Cahill we told them where to go as other clubs are doing to us! We do need to look across the market which english young players or any young players with a decent bit of skill are well over priced!!! Rhys Williams £6 mill Gary Cahill prem proven etc etc £7 mill dont make sense surely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Hmm and now the club we bid 3 million to who want 6 million know we have 6 million available.
Yeeeeeeah i dont see that one happening.

[boltonboris]

It is sensible to go in for Rhys Williams (if not at £6m, which I doubt).

It would be idiotic to start deadline-day negotiations by offering your highest price. Of course you low-ball. Of course you do. What matters then is how much you increase your bid, which must depend on how much money you have and how highly you rate the player.

I really do think fans clearly show their personality types on deadline day. It's quite fascinating.

Is it?

Really?

I think we have more pressing issues than a DM/CB/RB...

You don't think we need another defender? A versatile one, that can play centre back?

What the feck do we need?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It is sensible to go in for Rhys Williams

Is it?

Really?

I think we have more pressing issues than a DM/CB/RB...

Have you seen a league table recently?

Have you noticed the goals for and goals against columns?

Have you noticed how nobody concedes more goals per game?

Have you noticed that we've scored more goals than nine teams, including Liverpool, Stoke and Villa?

Have you noticed we've sold Gary Cahill and taken a massive gamble on replacing him?

Have you noticed how easily David Wheater has been ripped apart by anybody who can turn faster than milk?

Have you noticed Zat Knight, at all, ever?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

For the record, I wouldn't spend £6m on a Championship defender. But I wouldn't pay £7m on a Championship striker either.

[BWFC_Insane]

It is sensible to go in for Rhys Williams (if not at £6m, which I doubt).

It would be idiotic to start deadline-day negotiations by offering your highest price. Of course you low-ball. Of course you do. What matters then is how much you increase your bid, which must depend on how much money you have and how highly you rate the player.

I really do think fans clearly show their personality types on deadline day. It's quite fascinating.

Is it?

Really?

I think we have more pressing issues than a DM/CB/RB...

You don't think we need another defender? A versatile one, that can play centre back?

What the feck do we need?

Someone who can do the lone front man job, to give NGog a rest.

Someone who can play wide right.

Someone who can play if Mark Davies is tired/injured/suspended to make that system work.

We've just signed Ream. We've got Mears coming back.

Williams is best in a defensive midfield role, nice to have but I think we have other issues.

An out and out LB if we're buying a defender......

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Maybe worth posting the link to that Luke Moore goal for Swansea just to hammer it home...

[Verbal]

Top trolling BWFC_I

[thebish]

I seem to remember you were hoping we spunked a considerable amount of money on Leroy Lita when we signed Rasiak Bish....so lets not pretend that you are "sensible" and above "transfer madness".

I think you've totally made that up.

[pagey_BWFC]

@reluctantnicko: Bolton have made an offer for Rhys Williams. It is nowhere near 6m. Sheesh. But whoever blabbed it has probably cost the deal ...

That's from Nixon.

I think Rhys Williams would be a great addition. If we stick with 4-5-1 who do we put in if one of Muamba or Reo Coker goes down and no one suggest Pratley please. From what i have seen he is real quality and extremely versatile (Seen him quite a few times for Australia) and would be a good addition.....but not for 6 Million.

[boltonboris]

We've got 2 left backs.

We currently have 3 capable striker vying for 1 striker spot.

We've got Tuncay waiting in the wings, should Mark Davies not be fit.

We've got Mark Davies. Chris Eagles, the Japanese lad all capable of playing wide right.

[BWFC_Insane]

It is sensible to go in for Rhys Williams

Is it?

Really?

I think we have more pressing issues than a DM/CB/RB...

Have you seen a league table recently?

Have you noticed the goals for and goals against columns?

Have you noticed how nobody concedes more goals per game?

Have you noticed that we've scored more goals than nine teams, including Liverpool, Stoke and Villa?

Have you noticed we've sold Gary Cahill and taken a massive gamble on replacing him?

Have you noticed how easily David Wheater has been ripped apart by anybody who can turn faster than milk?

Have you noticed Zat Knight, at all, ever?

Good points well made.

I still think I'd prefer us to have bought a LB if we were getting a defender and free Ricketts up for the centre where I feel he's best suited...

Anyways, we're going as is, so best get on with it.

No point fretting now.

[CrazyHorse]

I'm seriously considering adding the word Nixon onto the site's swear filter.

[Peter Thompson]

I'm saying if a club is approached and asked 'how much for player x', and they tell us £6M - why would they accept £3M

Because that's just not how it works in the real world, as opposed to fantasy football or Championship f*ckin' Manager. The buying club doesn't ask how much; they offer an amount and the sellers decide whether they agree. A fairly common tactic/bluff is to laugh and say "Double it". At which point you negotiate, or move on, especially if you're short of time.

Ahh - I get you....its like playing cards !

Can I suggest that we get Helen Chamberlain in then to look after our transfers in the next window....