Norwich v Horwich

[Jokers in White]

norwich are bog standard
and they have had 2 centre halves taken off today

taking off muamba costs us again
right to go 442 - but take off mark davies,, he cant play centre mid

I don't think taking muamba off cost us the match he was doing fcuk all just a body wandering around. Taking eagles off was a bad mistake but we lacked energy and commitment today so deserved to get beat.

Thats what he's there for, making a nuisance of himmself, breaking up play and giving the simple ball. Theres nothing wrong with that because we are hard to break down. as soon as he goes off we are wide open, thats what costs us time after time.

He broke fcuk all up today, and yeah he is a nuisance when he doesn't move off the ball be available run off your man instead of standing still. Coyle could of brought on Pratley and still kept 5 in midfield I think Ream, Sordell will walk in the side for the wigan match sat which is MASSIVE

[wanderers_on_tour]

And on the subject of 4-4-2, its less about the formation in general just how we play it.

I actually wouldn't mind us setting up like that for more winnable games (e.g Wigan next week) as long as we keep Moo/NRC as the 2 anchors for the FULL 90 minutes and if we are going to play N'Gog upfront (or Klas/Davies) they really need a strike partner that will do the running for them, ala Sordell (who made a decent cameo, silver linings n all!)

[BWFC_Insane]

truth is we were on for a point then coyle changed formation

then good night vienna

Nothing to do with Petrov being the only one shooting at goal though is it? Apart from Ngog's turn and shot, I can't think of anyone else that had a go at goal.

Sorry but aimlessly hitting shots does not make it a good performance.

His crossing is poor, the odd good effort but mostly poor.

He makes the wrong decision time and time again.

And quite frankly, never looks like scoring.

Eagles was linking really well with Ngog and basically was our main threat, NGog should have played him in at least once!

[2399]

Without knowing anything about your set up or anything fella can I recommend a external hard drive or sumat??

The amount you seem to spend taping the Wanderers pal you could get a private jet out to the Reebok once a month

Got given an external Hard Drive for Christmas but haven't opened it yet.

Not all Bolton Matches are downloadable, probably only the non 3pm kickoffs are.

That's partly why I tape matches.

[bobo the clown]

[quote="officer_dibble"norwich are bog standard
and they have had 2 centre halves taken off today

taking off muamba costs us again
right to go 442 - but take off mark davies,, he cant play centre mid

I don't think taking muamba off cost us the match he was doing fcuk all just a body wandering around. Taking eagles off was a bad mistake but we lacked energy and commitment today so deserved to get beat.

Thats what he's there for, making a nuisance of himmself, breaking up play and giving the simple ball. Theres nothing wrong with that because we are hard to break down. as soon as he goes off we are wide open, thats what costs us time after time.

This is the thing with Muamba, its taken me a long, long time to appreciate what he does for the team. My judgement has always been clouded by his woeful passing and absolutely terrible shooting but its quite clear there's no-one else better in the team at breaking up play and providing some sort of screen for the defence. In our current situation, and with our current lineup, he should be a first name on the teams sheet stalwart and playing 90 minutes every week.

I just cant see why he's being brought off all the time.[/quote]
I went for as cuppa when he took him off. Said to Mrs Clown that we'd concede at least one, probably two.

It's unbelievable. Really it is. He's there to prevent the other team playing. He rushes them, ruffles them, makes a nuisance of himself .... & he's bloody good at it. THAT is why Mavis can get the freedom to run with the ball.

Taking Moo off is a death sentence. I honestly, honestly thought he'd learnt his lesson, but no. See the Everton match at home for this one today. Absolutely identical.

Fckg hell Coyle. Absolutely your fault you obstinate wanker.

[wanderer10]

Tuncay is no where near good enough to play at premier league level, his is a championship player at absolute best. But that is completely seperate to why we lost today. Taking Muamba off was obviously the main reason in the loss. Take him off and it changes the way NRC and Mavies play. This then affects the way we keep possesion and get forward. We then rely on the wingers to make the chances, by then Tuncay is on the right we know were that gets us.

Im not a 'coyle out' person and a think he deserves a lot of credit for changing it since christmas but he needs to learn from these stupid decisions he makes. Surely this will make him realise?!

[Spartan2]

Only one person to blame here.

And it's none of them on the pitch.

Learning from his mistakes? You must be fecking joking.

Doing perfectly well in the game then our manager decides to open it up and single handedly give Norwich a piss easy win. We can't fooking cope with 4-4-2 Coyle, how many fooking times does that need drilling into your skull?

I think with an average manager we'd be comfortably mid table this season. We've shown in the last few games that with the right set up we are more than good enough.

But away at Norwich going 4-4-2 with NRC and Mark Davies in midfield? No fooking chance.

To compound it he then takes our best attacking player on the day off in Eagles and leaves useless Petrov on.

We'd actually be better off not having a manager. We'd have had better results managing it via this message board.

Cos at least on here there is a basic comprehension of football.

100% Argree. We were well in that game and could have easily got a 1-0 win there was plenty of time and enough attackers on the pitch to get a goal. (Also nicely set-up for a Sordell debut super-sub winner). Then Coyle goes 442 and feck* it up. When we play 442 our attackers are less effective not more because they're isolated and have to play deeper to get the ball, our midfield is weakend by having one less man and our defence is weaker because the opposition can attack more and run at the defence. 442 weakens our whole team! This isn't hindsight everyone knew this would happen the second we went 442, it's been happening all season. FFS WE CAN'T PLAY 442 WITHOUT HOLDEN. IT DOESN'T WORK OUR MID ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. 451 was working we were back to almost our best then Coyle thinks: i know why not replace a system that is working with a system that hasn't worked all season!!!

I like Coyle but our 442 system IS A fecking JOKE!! AND ANY DECENT MANAGER SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS.

[Gail Platz]

I just can't believe we've lost to these again, they were there for the taking with two centre backs out.

I'm off watching some Rugby League as a neutral.

[Spartan2]

[quote="officer_dibble"norwich are bog standard
and they have had 2 centre halves taken off today

taking off muamba costs us again
right to go 442 - but take off mark davies,, he cant play centre mid

I don't think taking muamba off cost us the match he was doing fcuk all just a body wandering around. Taking eagles off was a bad mistake but we lacked energy and commitment today so deserved to get beat.

Thats what he's there for, making a nuisance of himmself, breaking up play and giving the simple ball. Theres nothing wrong with that because we are hard to break down. as soon as he goes off we are wide open, thats what costs us time after time.

This is the thing with Muamba, its taken me a long, long time to appreciate what he does for the team. My judgement has always been clouded by his woeful passing and absolutely terrible shooting but its quite clear there's no-one else better in the team at breaking up play and providing some sort of screen for the defence. In our current situation, and with our current lineup, he should be a first name on the teams sheet stalwart and playing 90 minutes every week.

I just cant see why he's being brought off all the time.

I went for as cuppa when he took him off. Said to Mrs Clown that we'd concede at least one, probably two.

It's unbelievable. Really it is. He's there to prevent the other team playing. He rushes them, ruffles them, makes a nuisance of himself .... & he's bloody good at it. THAT is why Mavis can get the freedom to run with the ball.

Taking Moo off is a death sentence. I honestly, honestly thought he'd learnt his lesson, but no. See the Everton match at home for this one today. Absolutely identical.

Fckg hell Coyle. Absolutely your fault you obstinate wanker.[/quote]

Agree.

[newboy]

he needs to learn from these stupid decisions he makes. Surely this will make him realise?! You would think so but sadly I don't think he will. yet another false dawn.

[Spartan2]

[quote="officer_dibble"norwich are bog standard
and they have had 2 centre halves taken off today

taking off muamba costs us again
right to go 442 - but take off mark davies,, he cant play centre mid

I don't think taking muamba off cost us the match he was doing fcuk all just a body wandering around. Taking eagles off was a bad mistake but we lacked energy and commitment today so deserved to get beat.

Thats what he's there for, making a nuisance of himmself, breaking up play and giving the simple ball. Theres nothing wrong with that because we are hard to break down. as soon as he goes off we are wide open, thats what costs us time after time.

This is the thing with Muamba, its taken me a long, long time to appreciate what he does for the team. My judgement has always been clouded by his woeful passing and absolutely terrible shooting but its quite clear there's no-one else better in the team at breaking up play and providing some sort of screen for the defence. In our current situation, and with our current lineup, he should be a first name on the teams sheet stalwart and playing 90 minutes every week.

I just cant see why he's being brought off all the time.

I went for as cuppa when he took him off. Said to Mrs Clown that we'd concede at least one, probably two.

It's unbelievable. Really it is. He's there to prevent the other team playing. He rushes them, ruffles them, makes a nuisance of himself .... & he's bloody good at it. THAT is why Mavis can get the freedom to run with the ball.

Taking Moo off is a death sentence. I honestly, honestly thought he'd learnt his lesson, but no. See the Everton match at home for this one today. Absolutely identical.

Fckg hell Coyle. Absolutely your fault you obstinate wanker.

[/quote]

Agree.

[norm the jedi]

Only one person to blame here.

And it's none of them on the pitch.

Learning from his mistakes? You must be fecking joking.

Doing perfectly well in the game then our manager decides to open it up and single handedly give Norwich a piss easy win. We can't fooking cope with 4-4-2 Coyle, how many fooking times does that need drilling into your skull?

I think with an average manager we'd be comfortably mid table this season. We've shown in the last few games that with the right set up we are more than good enough.

But away at Norwich going 4-4-2 with NRC and Mark Davies in midfield? No fooking chance.

To compound it he then takes our best attacking player on the day off in Eagles and leaves useless Petrov on.

We'd actually be better off not having a manager. We'd have had better results managing it via this message board.

Cos at least on here there is a basic comprehension of football.

100% Argree. We were well in that game and could have easily got a 1-0 win there was plenty of time and enough attackers on the pitch to get a goal. (Also nicely set-up for a Sordell debut super-sub winner). Then Coyle goes 442 and feck it up. When we play 442 or attackers are less effective not more because they're isolated and have to play deeper to get the ball, our midfield is weakend by having one less man and our defence is weaker because they can attack more and run at the defence. 442 weakens our whole team! This isn't hindsight everyone knew this would happen the second we went 442, it's been happening all season. FFS WE CAN'T PLAY 442 WITHOUT HOLDEN. IT DOESN'T WORK OUR MID ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. 451 was working we were back to almost our best then Coyle thinks: i know why not replace a system that is working with a system that hasn't worked all season!!!

I like Coyle but our 442 system IS A fecking JOKE!! AND ANY DECENT MANAGER SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS.

In fairness we were not doing anything at 4-5-1 and they were suddenly without 2 centre halves.... We were never going to score and should by rights have been a goal down at half time [them hitting the bar from 6 yards]
Like everyone else i'd have had a point happily but I can see why Coyle went for the win.. Muamba is essential but I suppose the Mavies logic is that he has been great the last few weeks.. It's apparent that we aren't good enough to play 4-4-2 - but at 4-5-1 I don't know where our goals will come from? Late Sordell substitute cameos

[wanderers_on_tour]

Without knowing anything about your set up or anything fella can I recommend a external hard drive or sumat??

The amount you seem to spend taping the Wanderers pal you could get a private jet out to the Reebok once a month

Got given an external Hard Drive for Christmas but haven't opened it yet.

Not all Bolton Matches are downloadable, probably only the non 3pm kickoffs are.

That's partly why I tape matches.

Ahh I getcha. Last match of ours I recorded on dvd was us at Wembley in the semi final, just to relive the big day n all, never again!

[plymouth wanderer]

truth is we were on for a point then coyle changed formation

then good night vienna

Nothing to do with Petrov being the only one shooting at goal though is it? Apart from Ngog's turn and shot, I can't think of anyone else that had a go at goal.

the problem was we did't get in many shooting positions we struggled to get in there box for fvck sake

anyone can shoot from 35yards (even the moo)

there was no movement from our lot it's easy to mark players when there stood still

[2399]

Without knowing anything about your set up or anything fella can I recommend a external hard drive or sumat??

The amount you seem to spend taping the Wanderers pal you could get a private jet out to the Reebok once a month

Got given an external Hard Drive for Christmas but haven't opened it yet.

Not all Bolton Matches are downloadable, probably only the non 3pm kickoffs are.

That's partly why I tape matches.

Ahh I getcha. Last match of ours I recorded on dvd was us at Wembley in the semi final, just to relive the big day n all, never again!

I VHS Tape!

My partner likes Stoke So I downloaded the Wembley match!!

[wanderers_on_tour]

There's alot of similarities between Mark Davies and Holden, his ability to play as part of a central 2 in midfield is not one of them!

[Tombwfc]

Bolton vs Manchester City - Muamba taken off at 1-3 - Final Score: 2-3
Liverpool vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-1
Arsenal vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-0
West Brom vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 2-1 - Final Score: 2-1
Bolton vs Everton - Muamba taken off at 0-1 - Final Score: 0-2
Tottenham vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-0
Bolton vs Newcastle - Muamba taken off at 0-0 - Final Score: 2-0
Manchester Utd vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 2-0 - Final Score: 3-0
Norwich vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 0-0 - Final Score: 2-0

So that's two draws turned into defeats. One game where we've improved the score-line (though not enough to take any points), one game where we've kept it the same and seven where we've conceded more goals (five where we've gone on to concede two or more).

It doesn't work.

[Spartan2]

Only one person to blame here.

And it's none of them on the pitch.

Learning from his mistakes? You must be fecking joking.

Doing perfectly well in the game then our manager decides to open it up and single handedly give Norwich a piss easy win. We can't fooking cope with 4-4-2 Coyle, how many fooking times does that need drilling into your skull?

I think with an average manager we'd be comfortably mid table this season. We've shown in the last few games that with the right set up we are more than good enough.

But away at Norwich going 4-4-2 with NRC and Mark Davies in midfield? No fooking chance.

To compound it he then takes our best attacking player on the day off in Eagles and leaves useless Petrov on.

We'd actually be better off not having a manager. We'd have had better results managing it via this message board.

Cos at least on here there is a basic comprehension of football.

100% Argree. We were well in that game and could have easily got a 1-0 win there was plenty of time and enough attackers on the pitch to get a goal. (Also nicely set-up for a Sordell debut super-sub winner). Then Coyle goes 442 and feck it up. When we play 442 or attackers are less effective not more because they're isolated and have to play deeper to get the ball, our midfield is weakend by having one less man and our defence is weaker because they can attack more and run at the defence. 442 weakens our whole team! This isn't hindsight everyone knew this would happen the second we went 442, it's been happening all season. FFS WE CAN'T PLAY 442 WITHOUT HOLDEN. IT DOESN'T WORK OUR MID ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. 451 was working we were back to almost our best then Coyle thinks: i know why not replace a system that is working with a system that hasn't worked all season!!!

I like Coyle but our 442 system IS A fecking JOKE!! AND ANY DECENT MANAGER SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS.

In fairness we were not doing anything at 4-5-1 and they were suddenly without 2 centre halves.... We were never going to score and should by rights have been a goal down at half time [them hitting the bar from 6 yards]
Like everyone else i'd have had a point happily but I can see why Coyle went for the win.. Muamba is essential but I suppose the Mavies logic is that he has been great the last few weeks.. It's apparent that we aren't good enough to play 4-4-2 - but at 4-5-1 I don't know where our goals will come from? Late Sordell substitute cameos

That is Coyle's logic, but it doesn't work, we were less likely to score with 442 because of the afore mentioned reasons and more likely to conceed. 451 does not mean no goals, we hit 2 against everton and three against liverpool, just needed patience and if we didn't get one this game then 0-0 away is not bad. It would only be a concern if we stopped scoring over a long period.

[newboy]

Bolton vs Manchester City - Muamba taken off at 1-3 - Final Score: 2-3
Liverpool vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-1
Arsenal vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-0
West Brom vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 2-1 - Final Score: 2-1
Bolton vs Everton - Muamba taken off at 0-1 - Final Score: 0-2
Tottenham vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-0
Bolton vs Newcastle - Muamba taken off at 0-0 - Final Score: 2-0
Manchester Utd vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 2-0 - Final Score: 3-0
Norwich vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 0-0 - Final Score: 2-0

So that's two draws turned into defeats. One game where we've improved the score-line (though not enough to take any points), one game where we've kept it the same and seven where we've conceded more goals (five where we've gone on to concede two or more).

It doesn't work.

Perhaps you should forward those stats to Coyle though he would probably think they were too much of coincidence no can't be that there must be another reason.

[bobo the clown]

Bolton vs Manchester City - Muamba taken off at 1-3 - Final Score: 2-3
Liverpool vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-1
Arsenal vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-0
West Brom vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 2-1 - Final Score: 2-1
Bolton vs Everton - Muamba taken off at 0-1 - Final Score: 0-2
Tottenham vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 1-0 - Final Score: 3-0
Bolton vs Newcastle - Muamba taken off at 0-0 - Final Score: 2-0
Manchester Utd vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 2-0 - Final Score: 3-0
Norwich vs Bolton - Muamba taken off at 0-0 - Final Score: 2-0

So that's two draws turned into defeats. One game where we've improved the score-line (though not enough to take any points), one game where we've kept it the same and seven where we've conceded more goals (five where we've gone on to concede two or more).

It doesn't work.

post that to the club Tom. Someone's got to tell the obstinate bastard that this is what happens.