JUST FCUK OFF

[CrazyHorse]

4. WE ARE A TEAM IN TRANSITION.

That's true.
We're transitioning from an established Premiership outfit to a mid table Championship team.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

Burnley aren't Bolton and in any case "losing" Coyle wasn't quite their silver lining in terms of saving them from relegation was it? or have i forgotten something? Burnley were also above Bolton when he quit them weren't they?

but hey ho lets be Newcastle/Sunderland/WOLVES - sack the manager who we 've given a bit of money and (presumeably) asked to change the way we play/players we employ.
get Warnreid in - first name on the team sheet? Kevin Davies - coz he's the sort of wholehearted player you need in a relegation scrap - right?

and @ imlc- thanks at least for staing opinions rather than one-liners.
dont go with this "we were lucky" when we win theories though. unless of course your'e going to include L'Pool and Everton where we also struggled for periods of the game and also remember we were also "lucky" to survive first 20 mins against Arse.

[officer_dibble]

well wolves are going for it whilst garty is sat still watching us slowly disintegrate

[Armchair Wanderer]

well wolves are going for it whilst garty is sat still watching us slowly disintegrate

Any news from Phil on twitter?

Now that Big Mick's gone, who's the worst manager in the EPL?

[bobo the clown]

How about Neil Warnock or Mick McCarthy?

You've just made me realise how well off we are at present !!!

[Peter Thompson]

Notice over on Wanderers ways, on a poll over 75% want him gone.

Back to the days of the 2-2 draw with Hull I feel. Only this time it's too late.....

Just seen that, and its a fair summary TBH that so many want him out - However, I'm amazed that there's even 22-23% of fans that don't want him out. But it is at Megson levels and he's certainly lost a lot of fans who had given him the benefit of the doubt !

I'd ask any fan who doesn't want him out, to explain what it is he does that is so good and why we should keep him, but not just 'who else would come', 'there's no one else' and 'its too late' - I really want to know what strengths he brings to the club in terms of team management & coaching ?

Its quite telling that apart from 'stopping wanke*s like me from going to games' no one has come up with any reason(s) for keeping Coyle - no one has come up with any strength that Coyle brings to the club in terms of team management & coaching.

He's not made us tighter at the back, he's not made us hard to beat or good to watch....

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

OH I DUNNO - that lovethesmellofnapalm fella has made a decent defense

[thebish]

What utter utter drival! Even worse than some of the defence of Megson, Coyle is C R A P at management at this level and its about time some of you woke up to this fact, Burnley were sinking like a feckin' stone under Coyle before he left or do you suffer from amnesia?
This is like trying to defend Fred Feckin' West!!! pathetic!

sitting on a populist bandwagon is easy hoboh - and - you've made it a lifetime's hobby!

[Peter Thompson]

OH I DUNNO - that lovethesmellofnapalm fella has made a decent defense

Do you really think so ?

What part of your post highlighted a 'strength' of Coyle in terms of team management & coaching - I don't class being a team in transition as a strength of Coyle's - do you ?

[thebish]

How about Neil Warnock or Mick McCarthy?

You've just made me realise how well off we are at present !!!

would you like BWFCi to keep you updated with all of Warnock and McCarthy's tweets too?

[Armchair Wanderer]

Coyle is Plan A and there's no Plan B.

Sacking OC would not be a brilliant thing to do, for me, unless there's a better replacement... and it'd cost money.

But someone (Big Phil, Eddie, the tea lady, anyone) needs to sit him down and have a word with him.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

well if we are going to have losing at home to Wigan as being all down to Coyle being shite
we could just as easily have beating Wigan 3-1 (point one) as being down to his tactical astuteness couldn,t we?
or not depending on your bias.

the rest are merely facts relating to why we should keep him - as i've said the time to judge Coyle is about 12 months down the line.

[BWFC_Insane]

And this post is proof we're back to December 2009. Fans arguing in the ground and on the internet.

Selections, systems, substitutions being jeered. Booing. A horrid atomosphere.

Team not performing. Team going down.

Only this time we're significantly worse off points wise situationally wise.

Great.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

but as opposed to Megson's time we are only one or two decent results away from most being back on side again
even you were a bit more chipper after the Arsenal and Lpool games

rightly or wrongly we cant say that about Megson's time

[Whookam]

this is all such bollocks.
some points for a reality check
1. we beat Wigan 3-1 playing 4-4-2.
2. If Muamba breached club discipline he shouldn't play. if he didn't then its clear OC doesnt rate him above RC or Davies. I do but many on here don't either. Given Coyle was always going to go 4-4-2 and look to pressure high up the pitch and Sordell was injured it was Davies or Klasnic or Tuncay for the 2nd striker. He went for the wrong one.
3. some on here now calling for Coyle's head had us finishing mid table after our mini run against the Scousers and Arsenal. Utter shite.This season was always going to be a roller coaster and if we survive it will be by the skin of our arses. why? see point 4
4. WE ARE A TEAM IN TRANSITION. It is not inconceivable that we start games for the remainder of the season without any of those fckers who started that game against Stoke (leave Knight and Steinsonn -oh and Muamba- out and its a done deal). Myself and most on here who went to that game were calling for exactly that. If anything OC has been over patient with the likes of Davies K and Knight but his hands have been tied with injuries.
5. The transfer window looks a good one. Last orders has gone for SKD,Steinsonn and Knight (i'd keep Muamba but i'm biased).Its Coyle's team now - judge it and him this time next season when either, i predict, we will be comfortably mid BPL table or running away with the Championship

If we survive we will be a better side for it.Sack the manager and we may well implode.
COYWM

Good to see you classified the content of your post in the opening line.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

we are not going down





we are down!!!!

[Worthy4England]

Burnley aren't Bolton and in any case "losing" Coyle wasn't quite their silver lining in terms of saving them from relegation was it? or have i forgotten something? Burnley were also above Bolton when he quit them weren't they?

but hey ho lets be Newcastle/Sunderland/WOLVES - sack the manager who we 've given a bit of money and (presumeably) asked to change the way we play/players we employ.
get Warnreid in - first name on the team sheet? Kevin Davies - coz he's the sort of wholehearted player you need in a relegation scrap - right?

and @ imlc- thanks at least for staing opinions rather than one-liners.
dont go with this "we were lucky" when we win theories though. unless of course your'e going to include L'Pool and Everton where we also struggled for periods of the game and also remember we were also "lucky" to survive first 20 mins against Arse.

I'm bemused at the Burnley point you make - yes they were above Bolton, but that was a position that was deteriorating rapidly. They were two points in front of us, but we had two games in hand, and one game rapidly approaching against them which we won.

Lets not be Sunderland of Newcastle. I don't recall us looking to sack the manager when we've been mid-table? Or lower mid table. I would expect any team in the relegation slots to take a serious look at the Manager's position and more often than not, change it when it's clearly not working.

[jimbo]

but as opposed to Megson's time we are only one or two decent results away from most being back on side again
even you were a bit more chipper after the Arsenal and Lpool games

rightly or wrongly we cant say that about Megson's time

But Saturday was the moment it changed for everyone. He had seemingly learned, we'd changed to 4-5-1, things were picking up and things were working. Then, in some absolute brain fart of a moment he's forgotten all of that to switch to the system that has picked up about 5 points all season. And it failed, miserably. He hasn't learned, he's still tactically naive, and he still seemingly hasn't got a clue.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

but as opposed to Megson's time we are only one or two decent results away from most being back on side again
even you were a bit more chipper after the Arsenal and Lpool games

rightly or wrongly we cant say that about Megson's time

But Saturday was the moment it changed for everyone. He had seemingly learned, we'd changed to 4-5-1, things were picking up and things were working. Then, in some absolute brain fart of a moment he's forgotten all of that to switch to the system that has picked up about 5 points all season. And it failed, miserably. He hasn't learned, he's still tactically naive, and he still seemingly hasn't got a clue.

really? everyone?
one formation change that backfired and we should get rid?
4-5-1 is the panacea- right i've got it now. nothing to do with Petrov being the laziest fcker on the planet- put him in a
4-5-1 he'll be just grand. nowt to do with the fact Wheater could have got a Yellow Pages under his feet on that cross- in a
4-5-1 he'd have leapt like a stag.

how many goals has our lone striker in a
4-5-1 scored? yet everyone can see he didn't need another body up there to help against the bottom of the table side- at home.

personnel not formation was Coyle's "mistake" - i reckon he won't make it again

[Tombwfc]

this is all such bollocks.
some points for a reality check
1. we beat Wigan 3-1 playing 4-4-2.

If it comes down to the final game of the season, with us requiring a win at Stoke to keep us up, will you be advocating us playing Klasnic and Davies up front in a 4-4-2? We beat them 5-0 with them both in the side.

It's meaningless. Everybody who's seen us enough times this season knows which formation and personnel are more likely to get us points and which aren't. I don't believe anybody is suggesting 4-5-1 with Muamba in the team would see us storm up the table laying waste to everyone in sight. We'd still have problems (namely getting regular goals from N'Gog and the midfielders), but we'd at least look a limited team with an idea of what they're supposed to be doing, as opposed to the simplistic (more strikers = more goals), idealistic, clueless shite the manager seems to prefer.

Coyle isn't going anywhere, so it's a waste of time discussing if he should. He's proven in the past month or so that, almost in spite of himself, he can find the right team and pick up some points, and that may well be enough to keep us up. I am utterly terrified of the side he'll put together when he gets to rebuild from scratch in the summer, but that's an arguement for another day.