Owen Coyle

[Hoboh]

Ah Mr Napalm, it is all relative but we've survived for a very long time without that illusive playmaker that we seek every summer. The nearest is Holden like you say but he isnt fit. The point I'm trying to make is that with Moo on the pitch NRC can break into the box as he has done quite effectively a few times and Mavis can run at defenders which is what he does best.Without Moo I dont think they have the confidence or energy to take risks which is why in a 442 we create nothing.

+1

and two...

I just fell over!!!

[irie Cee Bee]

A couple issues that Coyle needs to sort out in his head.

1) He is too loyal. He probably told KD that he still has a role to play so he should stay. He did dispite Sunderlands strong interest. So he had to be rewarded for staying. No better time than against the bottom club at the expense of Moo who apparently is not one of his favorites. Time to put team ahead of loyalty Coyle.

2) He needs to understand that you cannot play 4-4-2 without a good link up 2nd striker, a lung busting box to box midfielder and creative wingers. We do not have an Elmander, a Holden or a LCY at the moment, so scrap it.

3) In a relegation battle, forget the pretty, pitty patty football. We dont have the players available at the moment to play that way. Its now about scrapping and not getting beat ! Make it difficult for the opponent. Moo is no world class player, but he has steel, and during this battle, we need that. He knows how to tackle.

I still believe we can survive. Hopefully this defeat will knock some sense into his tough head.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

This is all very interesting, but we actually played 4-4-1 yesterday.

I'm being serious when I say this in that I'd rather have a traffic cone on the pitch than 'Super' Kevin Davies.

Stick the traffic cone in or around the D area, at least that would create a minor inconvenience, which is more of an effect than the 'Super' one had yesterday.

No longer SKD but Super TC Davies.I didnt really notice him much on saturday. Perhaps he'd been stolen by students.

[Armchair Wanderer]

We all seem to be in agreement so this is more conversational.

Recently people have been saying that OC is niave (or stubborn) so I was thinking to myself he could just bring in someone he trusts, with experience who he's going to listen to. Plenty of other clubs do it. Pulis has brought in Peter Reid and our previous manager at various times. Brian Kidd and David Platt are both at Citeh, Roberto Di Matteo at Chelsea, etc etc.

So who does he have? Sandy Stewart has been manager of Airdrie United according to wiki. Then, in Saturday's programme the first team fitness coach was talking about the people he works with at the 'Bok. Everyone who gets anywhere near the players seems to be very youthful. There's not one but two performance analysts.

So, conclusion.. OC has surrounded himself with youthful yes-men. Presumably he rebounds ideas off Sandy, and Sandy no-doubt agrees with him, then he goes to talk to the performance people and they let him know who's not performing well. Obviously worked fine when we were up the up but not healthy at all when there are problems. Obviously there has to be one person in charge (not another Todd/McFarland) but either no-one at the club is saying anything or Coyle isn't listening.

Thoughts?

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Yes but no. Too proud to ask for someone to come hold his hand and should someone we brought in he'd be totally undermined. bringing in a wisehead is best done when things are settled not when the manager already appears under pressure.

[Athers]

3) In a relegation battle, forget the pretty, pitty patty football. We dont have the players available at the moment to play that way. Its now about scrapping and not getting beat ! Make it difficult for the opponent. Moo is no world class player, but he has steel, and during this battle, we need that. He knows how to tackle.

Missed us playing this way, even at our best in late 2010 we weren't playing a possession control 'pitty patty' game!

[Jokers in White]

Just read that Campo wants to help out at the club in some capacity, i think that would be a great idea and its good of ivan to offer. But i doubt Coyle would want any help because like he's keeps saying we won't go down.

[BWFC_Insane]

Campo could teach Owen the importance of a good holding midfield player to screen the back four.....

[Jokers in White]

Campo could teach Owen the importance of a good holding midfield player to screen the back four.....

indeed he could, and he can only have a positive effect in the dressing room too what's not to like with our ivan

[TKIZ!]

I can't believe I am going to say this but he could do worse than ask LSL to help out as assistant/coach.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'd not be bringing Campo in seriously anyways. Would just muddy an already very muddy and murky pot.....

[bobo the clown]

Campo could teach Owen the importance of a good holding midfield player to screen the back four.....

indeed he could, and he can only have a positive effect in the dressing room too what's not to like with our ivan

Bless his cotton socks ... but that would be s disaster. Apart from Davies & Jussi, would he know anyone ?

He'd do better doing a Stewie & sitting with the fans. That would have us lifted at least.

[thebish]

I can't believe I am going to say this but he could do worse than ask LSL to help out as assistant/coach.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I can't believe I am going to say this but he could do worse than ask LSL to help out as assistant/coach.

LSL would certainly bring a healthy dose of pragmatic realistic thinking to Mr Fluffy Bunnys team selections.

[CrazyHorse]

I can't believe I am going to say this but he could do worse than ask LSL to help out as assistant/coach.

Any more of that nonsense and you'll be looking at a weeks ban from the site Sonny Jim.

[plymouth wanderer]

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The championship really is't that bad

[Dr Hotdog]

It's this bit that gets me:

"The skipper and David had played ever so well together at the DW Stadium and we had won the game with a bit to spare," he told the BEN.

I don't care how well they played together in one match which we won 3/4 months ago. I care about current form. Darren Pratley and Paul Robinson also started that game at the DW Stadium and played ever so well so where the feck were they on Saturday? Mark Davies didn't even get on the pitch at the DW Stadium so why the feck did he get a game on Saturday?

I give in.

[BWFC_Insane]

Haven't we already been through the whole "I'm going to make changes and drop anyone who makes a mistake phase before"?

Knight's been in, out and back in.

Steinsson has been named, shamed, in, out, in, out and back in.

Kevin Davies is in out then in again.

Boyata was in for Steinsson, made an error then out again. Then in for Knight, then back out again.

Mark Davies was in had a poor game, out then back in.

Ngog was in against Chelsea at home, looked all at sea, then out again, then back in.

The list goes on....

Forgive me for not being totally convinced that the answer to our problems is dropping a player who makes a mistake. Surely we've seen enough of a revolving circus to realise that isn't working?

EDIT:

In fact this is Coyle's interview from December after Newcastle beat us at home (another defeat Coyle cost us with a terrible decision but thats an aside)

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I am not going to watch the same mistakes cost us every week.

"The two goals were self-inflicted and that is hard to take.

"I feel frustration, anger, whatever you want to call it.

Compared to his interview this week.....

“It’s individual errors that have cost us, and nothing else.

“Coming off the back of a poor defensive display last week, it has happened again, but I have got enough personnel now to make changes and that’s what is going to happen.

“I’m not going to sit through that again.”

[Andy Waller]

Haven't we already been through the whole "I'm going to make changes and drop anyone who makes a mistake phase before"?

Knight's been in, out and back in.

Steinsson has been named, shamed, in, out, in, out and back in.

Kevin Davies is in out then in again.

Boyata was in for Steinsson, made an error then out again. Then in for Knight, then back out again.

Mark Davies was in had a poor game, out then back in.

Ngog was in against Chelsea at home, looked all at sea, then out again, then back in.

The list goes on....

Forgive me for not being totally convinced that the answer to our problems is dropping a player who makes a mistake. Surely we've seen enough of a revolving circus to realise that isn't working?

I think you're mistake is that you're applying common sense to the situation...

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Seems like OC is fast becoming a bit of a clown.

But only has himself to blame. There's only so many post match interviews where he can act the hard-manager and say all stuff like 'i wont put up with that again' only to then see exactly the same shitty powder-puff performance the next game, and the next one, and the next one etc.

Bloody hell i feel sorry for his wife, if he's just all talk all the time and no action.