The Battle of Stamford Bridge

[Hoboh]

I'm sure you are right but he also lost two key players for the season unexpectedly and as it was injuries there was no money to replace them. If you factor in the value of the missing players against the expenditure on transfers it's quite a deficit.This is were size matters. Small squad and not enough funds to invest in genuine replacements for key players when they are injured.I still maintain that his summer signings were intended to be squad players/impact players. The core of the intended team would have included CYL and holden,from mid autumn.Could have made a huge difference.

The two players we lost, cost less than he's just spent on marvellous Marvin. Who do we think he signed in Jan to replace these two absolutely critical players? You could argue Ryo on loan for CYL, Who did he get to replace Holden? No one....yet he spent 3 mill on Horrell..

Bingo!

So, if we want to play 4-4-2 we need a midfield that can play it. If we don't have that personnel we put the players out in a formation that can see us have a good go at getting something out of a game.

Would make sense and finally appears to be what he is trying to do.Only wasted a year before he realised.NRC perhaps has the defensive half of Holden's game but has nothing like the range or ability on the ball so in a 442 with Moo and NRC there is no creativity leaving us reliant on our miss more than hit wide players to create something.
Worthy ,I imagine had their been an affordable Holden like player available we'd have gone for it.getting someone with his qualities on a free was an incredible fluke,had coyle managed to do it twice I'd be asking him for lottery ticket recommendations.Could have asked spurs to loan us Parker but I'm guessing they'd have said no.

You and Worthy are missing tje point it's now 3 managers on the trot Garty has failed with! Sackable or fall on his sword by any stretch.

[Worthy4England]

I'm sure you are right but he also lost two key players for the season unexpectedly and as it was injuries there was no money to replace them. If you factor in the value of the missing players against the expenditure on transfers it's quite a deficit.This is were size matters. Small squad and not enough funds to invest in genuine replacements for key players when they are injured.I still maintain that his summer signings were intended to be squad players/impact players. The core of the intended team would have included CYL and holden,from mid autumn.Could have made a huge difference.

The two players we lost, cost less than he's just spent on marvellous Marvin. Who do we think he signed in Jan to replace these two absolutely critical players? You could argue Ryo on loan for CYL, Who did he get to replace Holden? No one....yet he spent 3 mill on Horrell..

Bingo!

So, if we want to play 4-4-2 we need a midfield that can play it. If we don't have that personnel we put the players out in a formation that can see us have a good go at getting something out of a game.

Would make sense and finally appears to be what he is trying to do.Only wasted a year before he realised.NRC perhaps has the defensive half of Holden's game but has nothing like the range or ability on the ball so in a 442 with Moo and NRC there is no creativity leaving us reliant on our miss more than hit wide players to create something.
Worthy ,I imagine had their been an affordable Holden like player available we'd have gone for it.getting someone with his qualities on a free was an incredible fluke,had coyle managed to do it twice I'd be asking him for lottery ticket recommendations.Could have asked spurs to loan us Parker but I'm guessing they'd have said no.

You and Worthy are missing tje point it's now 3 managers on the trot Garty has failed with! Sackable or fall on his sword by any stretch.

Disagree. We've stayed in the Prem.

[Hoboh]

Just

[Prufrock]

It's a good feeling beating spurs, yes, so even your teasing can't get me down tonight. Certainly won't be a DVD bought out though, we are not as sad as Tottenham hotspur who even make commemorative plates when they beat us - it happens so rarely.

So what you doing with your time now the season is over

Celebrating winning their cup final I assume

I take no pleasure from that Fecking HATE Spurs.

[Prufrock]

I'm sure you are right but he also lost two key players for the season unexpectedly and as it was injuries there was no money to replace them. If you factor in the value of the missing players against the expenditure on transfers it's quite a deficit.This is were size matters. Small squad and not enough funds to invest in genuine replacements for key players when they are injured.I still maintain that his summer signings were intended to be squad players/impact players. The core of the intended team would have included CYL and holden,from mid autumn.Could have made a huge difference.

The two players we lost, cost less than he's just spent on marvellous Marvin. Who do we think he signed in Jan to replace these two absolutely critical players? You could argue Ryo on loan for CYL, Who did he get to replace Holden? No one....yet he spent 3 mill on Horrell..

Bingo!

So, if we want to play 4-4-2 we need a midfield that can play it. If we don't have that personnel we put the players out in a formation that can see us have a good go at getting something out of a game.

Would make sense and finally appears to be what he is trying to do.Only wasted a year before he realised.NRC perhaps has the defensive half of Holden's game but has nothing like the range or ability on the ball so in a 442 with Moo and NRC there is no creativity leaving us reliant on our miss more than hit wide players to create something.
Worthy ,I imagine had their been an affordable Holden like player available we'd have gone for it.getting someone with his qualities on a free was an incredible fluke,had coyle managed to do it twice I'd be asking him for lottery ticket recommendations.Could have asked spurs to loan us Parker but I'm guessing they'd have said no.

Let's not rewrite history. I love Stu, but his game is about bustle, energy, winning tackles and moving the ball quickly. He doesn't really pull out the killer passes. NRC is a similar sort of player. Not as good (though one of our better ones this year) but similar sort. The one we have missed creativity and spark wise is Chungy. They are both massive losses. Losing the pair, plus our two top scorers from last year, and Cahill means our squad is a lot weaker. That's all valid mitigation. Still, given the squad we have, it should be good enough. We have the players to be solid, and perhaps erratic up front. OC has tried to counter that by getting rid of solidarity and putting on more erratic attackerz. It aint worked.

Yesterday, in fairness, he didn't pick a ludicrous team. Pratters is shit, but there's a case for saying we'd have been overrun in there first half if Tuncay had played in what could then effectively have been called a 4-4-2. Was a poor performance against a team that for all their problems, are still comfortably top 6.. If we go down it isn't coz he's ballsed it up in these games, it's the Wigan/Villa/Newcastle/Everton types.

[coffeymagic]

The preview to Saturday's game in the BN has this...

'... both Tim Ream and Ryo Miyaichi are handed their Premier League debuts as Wanderers look to escape the bottom three at Stamford Bridge today. '

That really sums up our season.

It might as well say 'Owen Coyle chucks in two novices in a frantic roll of the dice in a desperate bid to win an unwinable game because he's a fecking clown...'

We're like a drowning soul screeching diva coming up for her last gulp of air before sinking beneath the water.

Didn't we almost have it all my friends? Didn't we almost have it all.

[thebish]

The preview to Saturday's game in the BN has this...

'... both Tim Ream and Ryo Miyaichi are handed their Premier League debuts as Wanderers look to escape the bottom three at Stamford Bridge today. '

That really sums up our season.

It might as well say 'Owen Coyle chucks in two novices in a frantic roll of the dice in a desperate bid to win an unwinable game because he's a fecking clown...'

lots of people on here would have EXPLODED with rage had he not used Ream and/or Ryo!! He'd have been castigated for not using the very players he'd acquired in the window!!

[coffeymagic]

Heaven forfend we should use players we've bought. I think we all know what you do is make signings and stick 'em on the bench.

No, what I'm on about is pinning your survival hopes ontwo players who've hardly kicked a ball in anger and crossing your fingers shows what a mess this season is/has turning/has turned into.

I don't know why I was angry at the result on Saturday, I know there's never a 'good time to play team X' when you're BWFC and Chelsea were always going to win.

[thebish]

Heaven forfend we should use players we've bought. I think we all know what you do is make signings and stick 'em on the bench.

No, what I'm on about is pinning your survival hopes ontwo players who've hardly kicked a ball in anger and crossing your fingers shows what a mess this season is/has turning/has turned into.

I'm not sure that the BeN saying that equates to Coyle pinning his survival hopes on them...

[The Axman]

Oh well.
looks like I'm going to have to find another team to watch in the Premiership next season.
Pity, as I'd just got used to you lot; tatty-byes.

[Lord Kangana]

I'm more worried that you're pinning your hopes on getting something at Chelsea.

[The Axman]

It wasn't the fact of a defeat it was more the manner of it that gives rise to the doom and gloom LK.

[Beefheart]

The preview to Saturday's game in the BN has this...

'... both Tim Ream and Ryo Miyaichi are handed their Premier League debuts as Wanderers look to escape the bottom three at Stamford Bridge today. '

That really sums up our season.

It might as well say 'Owen Coyle chucks in two novices in a frantic roll of the dice in a desperate bid to win an unwinable game because he's a fecking clown...'

We're like a drowning soul screeching diva coming up for her last gulp of air before sinking beneath the water.

Didn't we almost have it all my friends? Didn't we almost have it all.

They both played well I thought...

[Sponge]

The preview to Saturday's game in the BN has this...

'... both Tim Ream and Ryo Miyaichi are handed their Premier League debuts as Wanderers look to escape the bottom three at Stamford Bridge today. '

That really sums up our season.

It might as well say 'Owen Coyle chucks in two novices in a frantic roll of the dice in a desperate bid to win an unwinable game because he's a fecking clown...'

We're like a drowning soul screeching diva coming up for her last gulp of air before sinking beneath the water.

Didn't we almost have it all my friends? Didn't we almost have it all.

Nonsense criticism. Ream and Miyachi were probably our two best players.

[Sponge]

David Wheater: “It has happened too many times. The confidence is just gone. I don’t know why. The lads know each of us should be doing better than we are. I fully understand the fans’ frustration.”

We all know it, but it still sounds disturbing when publically admitted by a player.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I'm sure you are right but he also lost two key players for the season unexpectedly and as it was injuries there was no money to replace them. If you factor in the value of the missing players against the expenditure on transfers it's quite a deficit.This is were size matters. Small squad and not enough funds to invest in genuine replacements for key players when they are injured.I still maintain that his summer signings were intended to be squad players/impact players. The core of the intended team would have included CYL and holden,from mid autumn.Could have made a huge difference.

The two players we lost, cost less than he's just spent on marvellous Marvin. Who do we think he signed in Jan to replace these two absolutely critical players? You could argue Ryo on loan for CYL, Who did he get to replace Holden? No one....yet he spent 3 mill on Horrell..

Bingo!

So, if we want to play 4-4-2 we need a midfield that can play it. If we don't have that personnel we put the players out in a formation that can see us have a good go at getting something out of a game.

Would make sense and finally appears to be what he is trying to do.Only wasted a year before he realised.NRC perhaps has the defensive half of Holden's game but has nothing like the range or ability on the ball so in a 442 with Moo and NRC there is no creativity leaving us reliant on our miss more than hit wide players to create something.
Worthy ,I imagine had their been an affordable Holden like player available we'd have gone for it.getting someone with his qualities on a free was an incredible fluke,had coyle managed to do it twice I'd be asking him for lottery ticket recommendations.Could have asked spurs to loan us Parker but I'm guessing they'd have said no.

Let's not rewrite history. I love Stu, but his game is about bustle, energy, winning tackles and moving the ball quickly. He doesn't really pull out the killer passes. NRC is a similar sort of player. Not as good (though one of our better ones this year) but similar sort. The one we have missed creativity and spark wise is Chungy. They are both massive losses. Losing the pair, plus our two top scorers from last year, and Cahill means our squad is a lot weaker. That's all valid mitigation. Still, given the squad we have, it should be good enough. We have the players to be solid, and perhaps erratic up front. OC has tried to counter that by getting rid of solidarity and putting on more erratic attackerz. It aint worked.

Yesterday, in fairness, he didn't pick a ludicrous team. Pratters is shit, but there's a case for saying we'd have been overrun in there first half if Tuncay had played in what could then effectively have been called a 4-4-2. Was a poor performance against a team that for all their problems, are still comfortably top 6.. If we go down it isn't coz he's ballsed it up in these games, it's the Wigan/Villa/Newcastle/Everton types.

The thing with Holden was the pace and accuracy of his passing and movement,that did provide creativity in itself and lifted the side. Without him there is rarely a decent link between defence/attack and there is no one lifting the team by going the extra mile. No he didnt spary pretty passes like campo but he rarely gave a ball away and was always available for a pass.NRC has done well but doesnt provide the spark or link Holden provided. We were poor before Holden arrived and have only really looked half decent when he is in the team.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

David Wheater: “It has happened too many times. The confidence is just gone. I don’t know why. The lads know each of us should be doing better than we are. I fully understand the fans’ frustration.”

We all know it, but it still sounds disturbing when publically admitted by a player.

That does sound bad! They certainly look beaten before they start against the big clubs but thats hardly new . perhaps making poor team selections then calling the players crap has had a negative effect?

[Jokers in White]

David Wheater: “It has happened too many times. The confidence is just gone. I don’t know why. The lads know each of us should be doing better than we are. I fully understand the fans’ frustration.”

We all know it, but it still sounds disturbing when publically admitted by a player.

That doesn't sound good at all. He might aswell say we have give up!

[Gail Platz]

The preview to Saturday's game in the BN has this...

'... both Tim Ream and Ryo Miyaichi are handed their Premier League debuts as Wanderers look to escape the bottom three at Stamford Bridge today. '

That really sums up our season.

It might as well say 'Owen Coyle chucks in two novices in a frantic roll of the dice in a desperate bid to win an unwinable game because he's a fecking clown...'

We're like a drowning soul screeching diva coming up for her last gulp of air before sinking beneath the water.

Didn't we almost have it all my friends? Didn't we almost have it all.

They both played well I thought...

Agreed, I thought Ryo was a bit quiet at times but didn't do anything really bad... not sure on him defensively but in attack he looks a threat. As for Ream he looked solid and it was a very good PL debut I thought.

[Worthy4England]

David Wheater: “It has happened too many times. The confidence is just gone. I don’t know why. The lads know each of us should be doing better than we are. I fully understand the fans’ frustration.”

We all know it, but it still sounds disturbing when publically admitted by a player.

They looked like that against Sunderland about a lifetime ago.

Time to turn to Mr Motivator.

In fairness, we looked to show "some green shoots of recovery" during January, then tinkered again against Wigan. Top move.

What gets me is (to use an example) Zat Knight. Not the best defender in the world but -

Zat you're in with Gary for the start of the season...

Zat you're out, I'm going to play Wheats...

Actually you're back in again - there's probably not much to choose between you...

Lemmie try Boyata....

No, you're out again, I've got Ream....

Same with Steinsson...Gretsky, you're in...

Now I've got Boyata, you're out...

He's a bit shit at right back, you're back in...

Mears is now fit, you're out....

Mears is a bit shit, you're in...

It's like Tinkerman Ranieri on fecking acid.