Villa away-postpone it

[plymouth wanderer]

Damn right. Would be amazing if Muamba was the one lifting the cup.

In much the same was as Abidal and Barcelona did with the Champions League last season - it would be splendid!

But I wouldnt want to add any extra pressure on the team to perform other than what they already have, especially after these events. It wasnt so long ago that we were wanting a cup semi final win "for Nat", and I dont want to think about that day very much ever again!

i was thinking the same thing

they dont need the extra pressure

[Hoboh]

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[davroduk]

Damn right. Would be amazing if Muamba was the one lifting the cup.

In much the same was as Abidal and Barcelona did with the Champions League last season - it would be splendid!

But I wouldnt want to add any extra pressure on the team to perform other than what they already have, especially after these events. It wasnt so long ago that we were wanting a cup semi final win "for Nat", and I dont want to think about that day very much ever again!

i was thinking the same thing

they dont need the extra pressure

Sorry but I am going to go off on one here.........
PRESSURE ????????
30 grand plus per week to kick a feckin ball.
Pressure is not having the money to pay your mortgage/rent
Pressure is not having the money for the electric or gas
Pressure is going without food to feed your children


Pressure is NOT, having to win a game of fecking football.
Maybe some footballers need a feckin wake up call to get out there and do what they are very well paid to do.
I will gladly put myself in their shoes and subject myself to the "PRESSURE" they are under.
Sorry to post this rant into such a sensitive subject, but PLEASE....
Dont talk to me about highly paid Premiership players being under "Pressure"

[Prufrock]

As ever with similar rants, particularly on fatigue, point missed.

No point comparing the pressure they are under with that of your average man, but with the other lot in't different coloured shirts.

[davroduk]

As ever with similar rants, particularly on fatigue, point missed.

No point comparing the pressure they are under with that of your average man, but with the other lot in't different coloured shirts.

So one Millionaire is under more pressure then another Millionaire.
My heart bleeds for them.
Like i said I will gladly swap places with any one of them.
Oh yeah.........
Fatigue to me is being completely b0ll0cksed at the end of a 48 hour week of Continental shifts.
NOT
Having to play Two games of football.

[davroduk]

Sorry Fab.
Please recover 100%

[Prufrock]

And I'm sure there are plenty of folk in Syria who'd scoff at you suggesting you know what pressure means, and plenty folk working two jobs as a single parent who'd say you don't know what tired means. It's all relative. It doesn't matter how tired they are, or how much pressure they are under compared to you or me, if it is significant in comparison to the other team it will obviously make a difference.

[plymouth wanderer]

Damn right. Would be amazing if Muamba was the one lifting the cup.

In much the same was as Abidal and Barcelona did with the Champions League last season - it would be splendid!

But I wouldnt want to add any extra pressure on the team to perform other than what they already have, especially after these events. It wasnt so long ago that we were wanting a cup semi final win "for Nat", and I dont want to think about that day very much ever again!

i was thinking the same thing

they dont need the extra pressure

Sorry but I am going to go off on one here.........
PRESSURE ????????
30 grand plus per week to kick a feckin ball.
Pressure is not having the money to pay your mortgage/rent
Pressure is not having the money for the electric or gas
Pressure is going without food to feed your children


Pressure is NOT, having to win a game of fecking football.
Maybe some footballers need a feckin wake up call to get out there and do what they are very well paid to do.
I will gladly put myself in their shoes and subject myself to the "PRESSURE" they are under.
Sorry to post this rant into such a sensitive subject, but PLEASE....
Dont talk to me about highly paid Premiership players being under "Pressure"

What i am saying is i was so fvcked off when chelsea walked all over us at the bok when we were supposedly gonna do Nat proud the pressure was on the players that day

i dont want the same to happen saturday

if that's all right with you

[davroduk]

And I'm sure there are plenty of folk in Syria who'd scoff at you suggesting you know what pressure means, and plenty folk working two jobs as a single parent who'd say you don't know what tired means. It's all relative. It doesn't matter how tired they are, or how much pressure they are under compared to you or me, if it is significant in comparison to the other team it will obviously make a difference.

I dont for one minute believe that I am hard done by.
As you say, there are many worse off than me.
Which is my point,
They would gladly swap places with me, as I would gladly swap places with a Premierleague footballer.
To me these people are wrapped up in cotton wool, and paid obscene amounts of money to do what the rest of us would do for a normal weeks wage.
Pressure to them is nothing compared to the pressure we mere mortals have to bare.
I am saying dont try to tell me that having to win a game of football constitutes pressure as the rest of us know it.

[davroduk]

Damn right. Would be amazing if Muamba was the one lifting the cup.

In much the same was as Abidal and Barcelona did with the Champions League last season - it would be splendid!

But I wouldnt want to add any extra pressure on the team to perform other than what they already have, especially after these events. It wasnt so long ago that we were wanting a cup semi final win "for Nat", and I dont want to think about that day very much ever again!

i was thinking the same thing

they dont need the extra pressure

Sorry but I am going to go off on one here.........
PRESSURE ????????
30 grand plus per week to kick a feckin ball.
Pressure is not having the money to pay your mortgage/rent
Pressure is not having the money for the electric or gas
Pressure is going without food to feed your children


Pressure is NOT, having to win a game of fecking football.
Maybe some footballers need a feckin wake up call to get out there and do what they are very well paid to do.
I will gladly put myself in their shoes and subject myself to the "PRESSURE" they are under.
Sorry to post this rant into such a sensitive subject, but PLEASE....
Dont talk to me about highly paid Premiership players being under "Pressure"

What i am saying is i was so fvcked off when chelsea walked all over us at the bok when we were supposedly gonna do Nat proud the pressure was on the players that day

i dont want the same to happen saturday

if that's all right with you

If you cant stand the heat.................
Etc Etc

Diference being that the players hadnt played with Nat, but know Fab personally.
Jesus Christ if you cant raise your game for a personal friend...............
Etc

[Prufrock]

So all we have established is pressure is relative? The knowledge there are people in the world in far more trying circumstances than you doesn't reduce the pressure of your job does it? Or make it easier? Or make you less stressed, and therefore perform better.

So, we face a Blackburn side at the weekend who have just won two on the bounce to ease ahead in the fight to stay up. Our players have the 'stress' of being deep in a relegation battle before we even begin to come onto the events of this weekend. Whether or not you have to deal with more serious issues isn't the point, the point is the Blackburn players don't have to deal with them.

None of that isn't to say I wouldn't swap with them (as far as the footballing pressure goes, anyway), it isn't a plea for tears or sympathy, I'm merely pointing out it is a factor that will affect their performance. To suggest otherwise seems utterly illogical.

It is even possible that the pressure and nature of the game will make them raise their games. Given past performances I'd not assume so, but to suggest it will have no affect at all because they have easy lives seems plain false.

[davroduk]

So all we have established is pressure is relative? The knowledge there are people in the world in far more trying circumstances than you doesn't reduce the pressure of your job does it? Or make it easier? Or make you less stressed, and therefore perform better.

So, we face a Blackburn side at the weekend who have just won two on the bounce to ease ahead in the fight to stay up. Our players have the 'stress' of being deep in a relegation battle before we even begin to come onto the events of this weekend. Whether or not you have to deal with more serious issues isn't the point, the point is the Blackburn players don't have to deal with them.

None of that isn't to say I wouldn't swap with them (as far as the footballing pressure goes, anyway), it isn't a plea for tears or sympathy, I'm merely pointing out it is a factor that will affect their performance. To suggest otherwise seems utterly illogical.

It is even possible that the pressure and nature of the game will make them raise their games. Given past performances I'd not assume so, but to suggest it will have no affect at all because they have easy lives seems plain false.

Ok lets agree to disagree.
We all want Fabrice to recover.
We all want the best for him and Bolton Wanderers.
I would love the pressure that comes with £30000 each week.
Lets just look forward to Premier league football next season.
We just got an extra incentive to do well till the end of the season.

[plymouth wanderer]

So all we have established is pressure is relative? The knowledge there are people in the world in far more trying circumstances than you doesn't reduce the pressure of your job does it? Or make it easier? Or make you less stressed, and therefore perform better.

So, we face a Blackburn side at the weekend who have just won two on the bounce to ease ahead in the fight to stay up. Our players have the 'stress' of being deep in a relegation battle before we even begin to come onto the events of this weekend. Whether or not you have to deal with more serious issues isn't the point, the point is the Blackburn players don't have to deal with them.

None of that isn't to say I wouldn't swap with them (as far as the footballing pressure goes, anyway), it isn't a plea for tears or sympathy, I'm merely pointing out it is a factor that will affect their performance. To suggest otherwise seems utterly illogical.

It is even possible that the pressure and nature of the game will make them raise their games. Given past performances I'd not assume so, but to suggest it will have no affect at all because they have easy lives seems plain false.

Ok lets agree to disagree.
We all want Fabrice to recover.
We all want the best for him and Bolton Wanderers.
I would love the pressure that comes with £30000 each week.
Lets just look forward to Premier league football next season.
We just got an extra incentive to do well till the end of the season.

it takes the sting out of being poor

but money ain't everything

[BWFC_Insane]

So all we have established is pressure is relative? The knowledge there are people in the world in far more trying circumstances than you doesn't reduce the pressure of your job does it? Or make it easier? Or make you less stressed, and therefore perform better.

So, we face a Blackburn side at the weekend who have just won two on the bounce to ease ahead in the fight to stay up. Our players have the 'stress' of being deep in a relegation battle before we even begin to come onto the events of this weekend. Whether or not you have to deal with more serious issues isn't the point, the point is the Blackburn players don't have to deal with them.

None of that isn't to say I wouldn't swap with them (as far as the footballing pressure goes, anyway), it isn't a plea for tears or sympathy, I'm merely pointing out it is a factor that will affect their performance. To suggest otherwise seems utterly illogical.

It is even possible that the pressure and nature of the game will make them raise their games. Given past performances I'd not assume so, but to suggest it will have no affect at all because they have easy lives seems plain false.

Ok lets agree to disagree.
We all want Fabrice to recover.
We all want the best for him and Bolton Wanderers.
I would love the pressure that comes with £30000 each week.
Lets just look forward to Premier league football next season.
We just got an extra incentive to do well till the end of the season.

You're completely missing the point.

Football may well be a job but ultimately its a competitive sport.

Our circumstances may well be more difficult than our opponents. In which case we are at a disadvantage.

As Pru says its exactly the same with "tired". Yes players can play 3 games a week but if the teams they are playing are only playing 1, then you're at a disadvantage.

And the money argument is nonsense. If I paid you 50K a week would you be premieship footballer standard? You can pay any man or woman whatever you like, it won't make them any better at their job than they were or make them any more resilient as a human being. With the money should come professionalism I agree. But no matter how much you pay people it can't make them forget the scenes at WHL.

[Hoboh]

So all we have established is pressure is relative? The knowledge there are people in the world in far more trying circumstances than you doesn't reduce the pressure of your job does it? Or make it easier? Or make you less stressed, and therefore perform better.

So, we face a Blackburn side at the weekend who have just won two on the bounce to ease ahead in the fight to stay up. Our players have the 'stress' of being deep in a relegation battle before we even begin to come onto the events of this weekend. Whether or not you have to deal with more serious issues isn't the point, the point is the Blackburn players don't have to deal with them.

None of that isn't to say I wouldn't swap with them (as far as the footballing pressure goes, anyway), it isn't a plea for tears or sympathy, I'm merely pointing out it is a factor that will affect their performance. To suggest otherwise seems utterly illogical.

It is even possible that the pressure and nature of the game will make them raise their games. Given past performances I'd not assume so, but to suggest it will have no affect at all because they have easy lives seems plain false.

Ok lets agree to disagree.
We all want Fabrice to recover.
We all want the best for him and Bolton Wanderers.
I would love the pressure that comes with £30000 each week.
Lets just look forward to Premier league football next season.
We just got an extra incentive to do well till the end of the season.

it takes the sting out of being poor

but money ain't everything

Tell that to the bank or supermarket or the Gas, electric, insurance, company then try and explain £60 for an afternoon at the match to misses! I do wish "money ain't everything" folk would feck off you know nowt! There are times you feel it would be better to be dead than all the shit that goes along with "No money" so stop being so feckin' glib about it!

[thebish]

And the money argument is nonsense. If I paid you 50K a week would you be premieship footballer standard? You can pay any man or woman whatever you like, it won't make them any better at their job than they were or make them any more resilient as a human being. With the money should come professionalism I agree. But no matter how much you pay people it can't make them forget the scenes at WHL.

whilst it is (of course) distressing to see a friend have a heart attack and receive treatment - I think it's possible to OVERSTATE the trauma. I suspect most of us on this forum have seen equally distressing episodes in life and in the lives of those we love - perhaps more distressing - and been able to get on with our lives...

this is especially true as Muamba is not actually dead - they know he is making steps towards recovery.

[BWFC_Insane]

And the money argument is nonsense. If I paid you 50K a week would you be premieship footballer standard? You can pay any man or woman whatever you like, it won't make them any better at their job than they were or make them any more resilient as a human being. With the money should come professionalism I agree. But no matter how much you pay people it can't make them forget the scenes at WHL.

whilst it is (of course) distressing to see a friend have a heart attack and receive treatment - I think it's possible to OVERSTATE the trauma. I suspect most of us on this forum have seen equally distressing episodes in life and in the lives of those we love - perhaps more distressing - and been able to get on with our lives...

this is especially true as Muamba is not actually dead - they know he is making steps towards recovery.

Broadly agree though there is a subtle difference.

If one of my colleagues who was 23 suddenly collapsed doing their job, with no warning, as a direct result of "doing their job" when they are perfectly healthy and fit, I'd be fooking more shaken than seeing a person struggling say, cos they're unhealthy or old. It affects you in a different way I can only assume. More in a "that could have been me" and indeed "that COULD be me".

Agreed that he is getting better, is only a positive thing. But it will leave some mental scars on our squad, its bound to. Perhaps not in the long term if Fab gets better, but certainly in the shorter term it will.

[CAPSLOCK]

Not least 'why did that happen, maybe I'm next'

[plymouth wanderer]

So all we have established is pressure is relative? The knowledge there are people in the world in far more trying circumstances than you doesn't reduce the pressure of your job does it? Or make it easier? Or make you less stressed, and therefore perform better.

So, we face a Blackburn side at the weekend who have just won two on the bounce to ease ahead in the fight to stay up. Our players have the 'stress' of being deep in a relegation battle before we even begin to come onto the events of this weekend. Whether or not you have to deal with more serious issues isn't the point, the point is the Blackburn players don't have to deal with them.

None of that isn't to say I wouldn't swap with them (as far as the footballing pressure goes, anyway), it isn't a plea for tears or sympathy, I'm merely pointing out it is a factor that will affect their performance. To suggest otherwise seems utterly illogical.

It is even possible that the pressure and nature of the game will make them raise their games. Given past performances I'd not assume so, but to suggest it will have no affect at all because they have easy lives seems plain false.

Ok lets agree to disagree.
We all want Fabrice to recover.
We all want the best for him and Bolton Wanderers.
I would love the pressure that comes with £30000 each week.
Lets just look forward to Premier league football next season.
We just got an extra incentive to do well till the end of the season.

it takes the sting out of being poor

but money ain't everything

Tell that to the bank or supermarket or the Gas, electric, insurance, company then try and explain £60 for an afternoon at the match to misses! I do wish "money ain't everything" folk would feck off you know nowt! There are times you feel it would be better to be dead than all the shit that goes along with "No money" so stop being so feckin' glib about it!

I wish you would fvck off sweet cheeks you knowt


telling me i know nowt tell me that when your brother (or a family member) dies in your arms and it's your fault

tell me that when you have been to Afghanistan and seen some of the shit i have seen

and a whole load other bollocks i could go into but would rather not ( i am not after a violin moment here)

but i am a hell of a lot stronger for it now

but trust me when i say money ain't everything its the least of my worrys now a days