Owen Coyle and Phil Gartside

[thebish]

I can understand people saying that Coyle has dealt with the situation well - he has! though, I'm not sure what he's done that any other manager wouldn't have done..

what I can't understand is how - on the basis of this last week - people who once said that Coyle MUST be axed because he is an utterly incompetent and clueless manager, now reckon we should offer him a new contract in the summer...

[BWFC_Insane]

I can understand people saying that Coyle has dealt with the situation well - he has! though, I'm not sure what he's done that any other manager wouldn't have done..

what I can't understand is how - on the basis of this last week - people who once said that Coyle MUST be axed because he is an utterly incompetent and clueless manager, now reckon we should offer him a new contract in the summer...

If you're asking me then perhaps there isn't a fully logical reason for it. I think he handled the situation well, and showed a side to himself (and you're right perhaps every manager would do the same in the circumstances, thankfully in most cases we'll never know) that was both strong and compassionate during very difficult times. No silly statements, no rash decisions, stayed down there with the player. All you can ask for. I saw leadership abilities when he stood outside the hospital. Proper stuff. Before perhaps he didn't have the chance to show that.

I suspect all season I've felt he didn't have the authority or gravitas to deal with our relegation battle. I just feel now that he's shown he does. What he perhaps lacks is the football experience that maybe, is a fault of the coaching staff he's picked more than anything else.

End of the day I can't explain it completely, its not a logical thing, more "how I feel" after whats happened.

Apologies if that is all very contradictory.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I can understand people saying that Coyle has dealt with the situation well - he has! though, I'm not sure what he's done that any other manager wouldn't have done..

Indeed, that's all I was saying.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I can understand people saying that Coyle has dealt with the situation well - he has! though, I'm not sure what he's done that any other manager wouldn't have done..

Indeed, that's all I was saying.

Well, that and (on other threads) complaining about others showing their support. It's hardly adding up to compassion, Crayola-boy

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I've been pressing refresh for news like anyone else and am absolutely chuffed that he has made what looks like a really remarkable recovery.

I just have a fairly low tolerance for artificial love-ins, the 'it's f*cking Messi!' line of thinking and excitement, and the sort of woolly thinking that goes largely unchallenged in these orgies of sentimentalism.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

I've been pressing refresh for news like anyone else and absolutely chuffed that he has made what looks like a really remarkable recovery.

I just have a fairly low tolerance for artificial love-ins, the 'it's f*cking Messi!' line of thinking and excitement, and the sort of woolly thinking that goes largely unchallenged in these orgies of sentimentalism.

Maybe its not you who Messi did it for?
Just a thought...perhaps Fabrice may look at that and be buoyed.

[TANGODANCER]

I just have a fairly low tolerance for artificial love-ins, .

Yes, there might be some slight element of band-waggon jumping Mummy, that's life. When a guy's life's at stake he needs all the support he can get, wherever that support comes from. As long as I don't have to read that Katie Price and all the cast of TOWIE are rooting for him, I'll live with and be grateful for the rest. It's football, he's a footballer and the world's footballers are behind him. Don't see much amiss in any of that?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I can understand people saying that Coyle has dealt with the situation well - he has! though, I'm not sure what he's done that any other manager wouldn't have done..

Indeed, that's all I was saying.

Well, that and (on other threads) complaining about others showing their support. It's hardly adding up to compassion, Crayola-boy

And to be fair, that's a good example of what I'm talking about - what on earth does asking an innocent question about what it is that Coyle has done that's so special have to do with my compassion?

[Bruce Rioja]

Does it make me hypocritical in that I'm generally agnostic but have been happy to pray for Muamba? Probably, but it certainly hasn't done any harm, and in the great scheme of things there's little any of us have been able to do to try and help otherwise.

[BWFC_Insane]

Does it make me hypocritical in that I'm generally agnostic but have been happy to pray for Muamba? Probably, but it certainly hasn't done any harm, and in the great scheme of things there's little any of us have been able to do to try and help otherwise.

Same goes for me, don't even know who I've been praying to.

But I always say, probably won't do any good, certainly won't do any harm either!

[wanderers_on_tour]

Its nice to think that the manager of any club would act in the way Coyle did, but its all hypothetical. Bottom line is it happened to a player under Owens watch and he acted with the utmost dignity, compassion and really exposed himself to the media and the football community as a whole and can only be praised for such.

In retrospect I think Owen deserves further acknowledgement for not letting his emotions get the better of him in the immediate aftermath of the incident. The manner in which he calmly (yet still with the obvious air of concern) walked over and spoke to Howard Webb about Muamba's condition (and I imagine what the next step would have been) seemed that of a true leader and must have helped settle many of the players who themselves could not bear to even look at the prone image of their colleague. It is sometimes said that Owen blurs the line too much between being pally with the players and being their manager but I thought in that incident, and that split second, he was inspirational.

[Worthy4England]

Throughout any criticism of his managerial decisions ... not least not using Moo properly .... no-one has questioned the guy being a nice human being. He patently is. He's proven it this week, if it ever needed proving.

Would agree with that. But I'd still be looking at summer.

I think you can forget that, Worthy. Can you imagine the furore ??

Can you imagine how big my fooking bedsheet will be next August, if he's still around?

[Armchair Wanderer]

To be fair, the QPR game, i.e. at home against a fellow struggler... I guess we played a 5-man midfield with only one CDM, which is fair enough in that scenario, and we won. The previous game with Ream infront of the back four was probably just experimental. Then, the Spurs cup game, away against a top 6 side he plays the 5-man midfield with 2 CDMs, not much wrong with that either. Setting the team up in a sensible way like this will make me happy for the rest of the season.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

Its nice to think that the manager of any club would act in the way Coyle did, but its all hypothetical. Bottom line is it happened to a player under Owens watch and he acted with the utmost dignity, compassion and really exposed himself to the media and the football community as a whole and can only be praised for such.

In retrospect I think Owen deserves further acknowledgement for not letting his emotions get the better of him in the immediate aftermath of the incident. The manner in which he calmly (yet still with the obvious air of concern) walked over and spoke to Howard Webb about Muamba's condition (and I imagine what the next step would have been) seemed that of a true leader and must have helped settle many of the players who themselves could not bear to even look at the prone image of their colleague. It is sometimes said that Owen blurs the line too much between being pally with the players and being their manager but I thought in that incident, and that split second, he was inspirational.

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and he has also managed to be so without largely falling into the sort of platitudes and cliches that i suspect many of the football manager fraternity would have slipped into.