Marvin Sordell

[Relentless09]

he should start on Monday
davies is past it
we cant play to klasnic's strengths
ngog isnt a forward

I think I agree that N'gog isn't a forward, I'd like to see him play out in the right or just behind the striker

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

wasn't impressed with him in the warm up Saturday.
didn't look the cleanest striker of the ball when shooting in.
i know i shouldn't place too much emphasis on this but i'm in a clutching at the negatives type of mood ahead of todays game

also remember losing faith in Elmander after watching him shooting in at Tranmere

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I'm not sure that NGog would be more effective out wide(can he cross a ball/with his controll he needs to be away from the byline) or behind a striker(can he link/shoot from range) He has looked effective in a 451 but is inconsistent. The problem is if he's the one up top and he's having a bad un he cant hide and his poor form stands out.

Like AW I find coyle's treatment of Tuncay and Sordell baffling. I've generally been impressed with Tuncay,he looks sparky and works hard so why has he only had 5 mins at the end of games and two starts against top 4 clubs. He did ok in those games but it's almost asthough coyle was reluctant to give him a start and desperate to drop him. Moo has implied personality issues previously.I cant see Tuncays application being an issue but maybe a stubborn insecure manager will have an issue with anyone below themwho appears to know more about tactics than he does.

Sordell,well he looked overeager but given the alternatives its got to be time he had a chance.I cant see how he can be less effective.And whilst I take Mr Napalm's point about warmups on face value surely he wouldnt have the goals record he does have if he cant strike a ball cleanly?

[Worthy4England]

no one else listening to you bobo?

It's the only way I can be certain of getting any sense.

The "under 24" policy is awesome, esp if they prove to be decent and we get a sell-on fee. No problem with that at all. Could have done with that policy a while back.

This whole thing comes down to OC being slow to react. So he was slow to figure out that whatever we were doing wasn't working. And he's slow to bring people through into the first team unless he has literally no other choice (Riley). BTW, what happened to Riley?

Anyway, part of me likes the fact that he's not over-reacting to events that happen every week and is giving certain players an opportunity. But, the other part of me looks at the Marvin/Tuncay situation and sighs. Both players have had a decent amount of first team football, albeit not for us.

Is OC being slow/stubborn? Or is it that he feels like he has to put the highest earners on the pitch? Or does he remember that game when he was a player and was left out of that game when he should have played? Or is it the magic dice telling him what to do?

I'd be delighted if we had a decent 24 and under team, that would see us reet for years to come, but he's not doing that either. 10 out of 15 signings have been "older" heads, albeit not necessarily by much. I've deliberately left the loanees out, because they aren't "ours" so don't enhance our ability to build a "squad for the future". So he does actually seem to be trying to balance experience with youngsters, just not very well.

Petrov - 33 (31? when signed)
Robbie Blake - 108 (34 when signed)
NRC - 27 (27 when signed)
Wheats - 25 - (24 when signed) - regular first teamer, but a bit of a train crash to anyone with half a yard of pace.
Klas - 32 (31 when signed)
Alonso - 21 (10 when signed) - generally not in the team this season
Eaves - 20 (19 when signed) - not made it out of the ressies
Pratley - 26 - probably wouldn't get near our best, fit MF.
Eagles - 26 - probably wouldn't get in our best fit MF
Mears - 29
Ngog - 23 - Gets in the team, but couldn't find the onion bag with an OS map
Ream - 24 - Probably in for the duration now
Sordell - 21 - No idea why he's not been given a bit more of a run out, given the paucity of what we have upfront
Holden - 26 - great signing, hope he comes back, like the Holden that left us...
Robbo - 30-odd (Loaned under Megson, signed under Coyle, not that I think he had much choice...)

[Armchair Wanderer]

I'd be delighted if we had a decent 24 and under team, that would see us reet for years to come, but he's not doing that either. 10 out of 15 signings have been "older" heads, albeit not necessarily by much. I've deliberately left the loanees out, because they aren't "ours" so don't enhance our ability to build a "squad for the future". So he does actually seem to be trying to balance experience with youngsters, just not very well.

Didn't we loan Tunners from Wolsburg on a 12-month loan, with an option to buy at the end? Looks like we changed our mind on the whole buying thing.

On the loanees, we've presumably paid some kind of loan fee and we're paying some/all of the wages. It seems like it's a bit of a lottery. For every Sturridge, Ryo or Wilshire there are players like Kakuta, Boyata and Tuncay who don't play. My only point is that we seem to have money to speculate on loanees, yet we won't try sticking our younger players in the first team to see what they can do. If they need experience, send em out on loan. If they're not good enough, let them go. Instead of spending money on getting Kakuta from Chelsea couldn't we have used a kid of ours in a similar way, e.g. O'Halloran? Instead of getting Boyata from Citeh don't we have kids who we could have used in a similar way? And why did we get Tuncay on loan??

[thebish]

And why did we get Tuncay on loan??

Francis Maude told there was gonna be a shortage before the window closed - so we panic-bought...

[Peter Thompson]

Another inspirational Coyle signing....

[bobo the clown]

Another inspirational Coyle signing....

The problem is, who would know ??

[Peter Thompson]

Another inspirational Coyle signing....

The problem is, who would know ??

Bobo - that's exactly my point

We have no money and yet Coyle spunks £3M on a player that he has no intention of using, ideal opportunity with 2 games so close together to give the lad 25-30 mins. Same with Tuncay, for once he could have rested M Davies today & played him in his correct position just behind the main striker in a 4-4-1-1

[Wandering Willy]

We have no money and yet Coyle spunks £3M on a player that he has no intention of using, ideal opportunity with 2 games so close together to give the lad 25-30 mins. Same with Tuncay, for once he could have rested M Davies today & played him in his correct position just behind the main striker in a 4-4-1-1

What. A. Load. Of. Bollocks.

[Worthy4England]

We have no money and yet Coyle spunks £3M on a player that he has no intention of using, ideal opportunity with 2 games so close together to give the lad 25-30 mins. Same with Tuncay, for once he could have rested M Davies today & played him in his correct position just behind the main striker in a 4-4-1-1

What. A. Load. Of. Bollocks.

Well, it doesn't look like he's about to use him any time soon...

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Apparently Sordell makes a wicked brew and Tuncay bakes a mean sponge. How dare you imply the club arent making good use of their signings.

[Worthy4England]

Apparently Sordell makes a wicked brew and Tuncay bakes a mean sponge. How dare you imply the club arent making good use of their signings.

We're concerned that this will put upward pressure on salaries from our catering staff. Seeing Edna drive up in Koenigsegg last week, tells you all you need to know.

[boltonboris]

We're assuming that both Sordell and Tuncay play so well in training that it's a travesty they're not in the team.

If anybody thinks Sordell could play up front in his own more effectively than any of our 3 regular strikers, you're deluded.

It's obvious that Coyle has watched him and decided he's not ready to be chucked in.

[BWFC_Insane]

We're assuming that both Sordell and Tuncay play so well in training that it's a travesty they're not in the team.

If anybody thinks Sordell could play up front in his own more effectively than any of our 3 regular strikers, you're deluded.

It's obvious that Coyle has watched him and decided he's not ready to be chucked in.

Indeed. Though I guess that begs the question of whether it was the right time to spend 3M quid on him?

[Peter Thompson]

We're assuming that both Sordell and Tuncay play so well in training that it's a travesty they're not in the team.

If anybody thinks Sordell could play up front in his own more effectively than any of our 3 regular strikers, you're deluded.

It's obvious that Coyle has watched him and decided he's not ready to be chucked in.

Why didn't he have him watched before spending our transfer window budget on him - are you saying that Coyle signed him
without knowing anything about him.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

We're assuming that both Sordell and Tuncay play so well in training that it's a travesty they're not in the team.

If anybody thinks Sordell could play up front in his own more effectively than any of our 3 regular strikers, you're deluded.

It's obvious that Coyle has watched him and decided he's not ready to be chucked in.

It appears so but I'd rather we picked players who do well in matches even if they are slackin training.Your faith in Coyle's judgement is quite touchinggiven that most of his successful changes this season have been forced by injury. Can sordell and Tuncay really be less effective than what we have at present?

[Riviman]

Do any of you Twitter users follow Sordell? If so has he had anything to say about his non appearance since signing?

[boltonboris]

We're assuming that both Sordell and Tuncay play so well in training that it's a travesty they're not in the team.

If anybody thinks Sordell could play up front in his own more effectively than any of our 3 regular strikers, you're deluded.

It's obvious that Coyle has watched him and decided he's not ready to be chucked in.

Why didn't he have him watched before spending our transfer window budget on him - are you saying that Coyle signed him
without knowing anything about him.

Not at all. Coyle can obviously see that he has promise. But he's obviously not as good as what we currently have.

Doesn't mean he wasn't worth a punt.

[boltonboris]

We're assuming that both Sordell and Tuncay play so well in training that it's a travesty they're not in the team.

If anybody thinks Sordell could play up front in his own more effectively than any of our 3 regular strikers, you're deluded.

It's obvious that Coyle has watched him and decided he's not ready to be chucked in.

It appears so but I'd rather we picked players who do well in matches even if they are slackin training.Your faith in Coyle's judgement is quite touchinggiven that most of his successful changes this season have been forced by injury. Can sordell and Tuncay really be less effective than what we have at present?

Having seen Tuncay's uselessness first hand, I can confirm that YES, I think he's even less effective than what we have at present.