The Politics Thread

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Was pleased to see on QT last night they were talking about the rents in London. There's an argument to say that welfare has artificially inflated rents in London/everywhere. If they fix that the cost of welfare would reduce... but you're also restricting landlords' ability to make money which is anti-capitalist.

Didn't catch Question Time last night, but it is absolutely NOT anti-captalist to suggest that it is ridiculous to pay large London rents to private landlords through welfare. I agree that it is a very unhelpful distortion and that that money would be better out of private landlords' hands.

As for the rest of post...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Ed Milliband ranting about 'arrogant posh boys', even if quoting. PMQ's is the most depressing thing on telly.

I think this is a promising line of attack. since it is, actually, true... And since it was said originally by a Tory back bencher even more damaging...

I think there are many more depressing things on telly than this...

But nothing more depressing than the posh boys at play...

The 'posh boys' line... is it all that promising? Is there anyone in the country who doesn't already know that Cameron and Osborne are 'posh'?

As for Dorries... don't most people of all political stripes just write her off as being an attention-seeking right-wing mentalist?

[BWFC_Insane]

He's right though.

And not only that these "factory owners" have completely and miserably failed.

Brown left us with growth. And a plan to continue that growth whilst reducing the deficit.

He told everyone what would happen with the Tory plans.

He was right. Because he understood the economic situation.

Osborne and Cameron have got it massively and embarrasingly wrong.

Just for the hell of it... what exactly is your view of how different the Labour spending plans were from the Coalition's?

And what is your view of how different the numbers would now be if they had been implemented.

For you to say that "Osborne and Cameron have got it massively and embarrasingly [sic] wrong", in your world, the margin must be enormous?

They've cut too far and too fast. Even the Tories have said the road to recovery is growth. On that all parties were agreed. Labour had started to deliver growth then the Tories came along and were hell bent on making everyone redundant and culling the public sector and did it far too quickly.

This has dragged us back into recession, and with rising unemployment and no growth the future looks very bleak indeed.

The Tories did not factor in that with their public sector culls they were going to harm the private sector massively. I see it every day.

Reducing the deficit was important but never the most pressing priority. We had some growth in an economy that was still fragile and recovering. The most important thing was to continue that and strengthen it, before we attacked jobs and services.

As it is its a complete and utter shambles.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

They've cut too far and too fast. Even the Tories have said the road to recovery is growth. On that all parties were agreed. Labour had started to deliver growth then the Tories came along and were hell bent on making everyone redundant and culling the public sector and did it far too quickly.

This has dragged us back into recession, and with rising unemployment and no growth the future looks very bleak indeed.

The Tories did not factor in that with their public sector culls they were going to harm the private sector massively. I see it every day.

Reducing the deficit was important but never the most pressing priority. We had some growth in an economy that was still fragile and recovering. The most important thing was to continue that and strengthen it, before we attacked jobs and services.

As it is its a complete and utter shambles.

Yeah.. I get all that.

But what I'm really interested in is your view of how different the Labour spending plans were from the Coalition's? This might be answered with numbers.

And what is your view of how different the numbers would now be if they had been implemented? Again, a numerical response is probably best here, even if it's only rough.

Because, for you to say that "Osborne and Cameron have got it massively and embarrasingly [sic] wrong", in your world, the margin (in numbers) must be enormous?

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Back to another old subject.

Lest we forget.

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[William the White]

Back to another old subject.

Lest we forget.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-17866333" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like a judge behaving in a humane way with a person very ill...

Well done him...

Not really sure why you posted it though, Zulu...

[malcd1]

Back to another old subject.

Lest we forget.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-17866333" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like a judge behaving in a humane way with a person very ill...

Well done him...

Not really sure why you posted it though, Zulu...

I don't want to put words into Zulu's mouth but I would guess because she is a lying, conniving, thief who should be sent to prison for fraud.

If she is now ill because of the media attention for the way she has committed a criminal act then the bitch should be sent down anyway. As she is no doubt a liar, I would take her 'illness' with a huge pinch of salt.

Just a guess.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Back to another old subject.

Lest we forget.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-17866333" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like a judge behaving in a humane way with a person very ill...

Well done him...

Not really sure why you posted it though, Zulu...

Just because it needed posting, Will. I hope that is ok with you.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

I don't want to put words into Zulu's mouth but I would guess because she is a lying, conniving, thief who should be sent to prison for fraud.

If she is now ill because of the media attention for the way she has committed a criminal act then the bitch should be sent down anyway. As she is no doubt a liar, I would take her 'illness' with a huge pinch of salt.

Just a guess.

Quite right malcd1. You should never put words into another poster's mouth.

You are absolutely spot on, by the way! I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Bruce Rioja]

Back to another old subject.

Lest we forget.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-17866333" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like a judge behaving in a humane way with a person very ill...

Well done him...

Not really sure why you posted it though, Zulu...

Had former Luton South swindling MP Margaret Moran been Tory then you'd have felt the same, William. Of course.

[William the White]

Back to another old subject.

Lest we forget.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-17866333" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like a judge behaving in a humane way with a person very ill...

Well done him...

Not really sure why you posted it though, Zulu...

Just because it needed posting, Will. I hope that is ok with you.

As you know, Zulu, everything you post is ok with me. i never argue with any man with a bayonet.

[William the White]

Back to another old subject.

Lest we forget.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-17866333" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like a judge behaving in a humane way with a person very ill...

Well done him...

Not really sure why you posted it though, Zulu...

Had former Luton South swindling MP Margaret Moran been Tory then you'd have felt the same, William. Of course.

I would, of course, have considered the case on its merits - as I have this one...

[thebish]

Had former Luton South swindling MP Margaret Moran been Tory then you'd have felt the same, William. Of course.

had it been a Tory - Zulu would never have posted it and we'd never have known....

[Hoboh]

Had former Luton South swindling MP Margaret Moran been Tory then you'd have felt the same, William. Of course.

had it been a Tory - Zulu would never have posted it and we'd never have known....

I would!! A cheat is a cheat (and I for one do not believe she is a fruitcake)

[Lord Kangana]

Dancing round the head of a pin.

Simnel maybe?

[thebish]

Had former Luton South swindling MP Margaret Moran been Tory then you'd have felt the same, William. Of course.

had it been a Tory - Zulu would never have posted it and we'd never have known....

I would!! A cheat is a cheat (and I for one do not believe she is a fruitcake)

I've never heard of her before. she sounds (and judgemental as it sounds - looks) like a stupid cow to me...

[Hoboh]

Had former Luton South swindling MP Margaret Moran been Tory then you'd have felt the same, William. Of course.

had it been a Tory - Zulu would never have posted it and we'd never have known....

I would!! A cheat is a cheat (and I for one do not believe she is a fruitcake)

I've never heard of her before. she sounds (and judgemental as it sounds - looks) like a stupid cow to me...

Seems so because she was caught! tea leaf more like, hang her for treason

[Lord Kangana]

Treason doth never prosper....

[Prufrock]

I have, roughly, 8675% more faith in the judiciary to come to a proper outcome than I do politicians. If both sides are happy she needs psychiatric help, not prison, makes sense to me.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Had former Luton South swindling MP Margaret Moran been Tory then you'd have felt the same, William. Of course.

had it been a Tory - Zulu would never have posted it and we'd never have known....

You sure about that Bish?

Stop trying to be Will's minder. He doesn't need one. He hasn't requested one.

And you're not up to the job anyway.