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Re: Mark Davies

Post by the-Bowtun-Warrior » Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:00 pm

bobo the clown wrote:In a winning team, in a good team, he'd be a great boon. In one struggling for performances and with Captain Chaos chopping & changing & not knowing who to use, or how, Davies will struggle.

But a man who reads by braille can see that the lad has talent & a great deal of it.

That I agree with. No dispute from me.
Just Isnt able/allowed to show it enough and the other side of his game doesn't help him in that.

More tracking and tackling would see him turn and break away from play. He'd be bloody vital if he could get that right.

I WANT to praise him but he is so bloody frustrating. Granted, not ALL his doing.

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Re: Mark Davies

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:10 pm

Nonsense, no-one has found a specific place for him in our team since he was bought. He's been played all over the shop by both managers. Talented he is, very, but the Premier League requires more from him.

I don't see any easy solution to getting him a guaranteed start in the first eleven, considering 3 of our currently unavailable midfielders all walk in to the team ahead of him.
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by Spartan2 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:24 pm

He can't defend, he can't/won't track people, and is a poor tackler so IMO just take that out of the equation. His main assest is beating people and at this he is very, very good. How many times have we seen him beat 2/3 people only to be tackled by a third/forth. His best position could well be as a forward, there he might only have to beat one player then be baring down on goal and could cause havok for defenders who might have to foul him, he's won quite a few penalties this way and if he played up front in a 442 with a pacey goal scorer I think he could be dangerous. I can see why Newcastle are supposedly interested. He's not a good enough all-rounder to play midfield though IMO.

It's all academic cos we should be playing 451.

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Re: Mark Davies

Post by wanderers_on_tour » Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:50 pm

Spartan2 wrote:He can't defend, he can't/won't track people, and is a poor tackler so IMO just take that out of the equation. His main assest is beating people and at this he is very, very good. How many times have we seen him beat 2/3 people only to be tackled by a third/forth. His best position could well be as a forward, there he might only have to beat one player then be baring down on goal and could cause havok for defenders who might have to foul him, he's won quite a few penalties this way and if he played up front in a 442 with a pacey goal scorer I think he could be dangerous. I can see why Newcastle are supposedly interested. He's not a good enough all-rounder to play midfield though IMO.

It's all academic cos we should be playing 451.
Hmm for the first time this season i'd say the effectiveness of our 4-5-1 is highly debatable.

With the personal we had earlier this year, around December/January, 4-5-1 was by a long stretch the best option available to us. Without a prolific, 10 goals plus a year striker, I felt 4-5-1 (with Muamba/NRC) holding allowed the wingers to push further forwards and allow an extra player to come off just behind the main forward and cause chaos. It also provided extra defensive support to a dodgy back line, a line who finally look like a capable premier league defence.

Ever since the incident with Muamba, and now Pratleys illness, lining up 4-5-1 has meant playing someone out of their natural position (be it Mark Davies or Eagles against Swansea) which almost feels like we're flattering to decieve. In my eyes it's no coincidence that 4-2-2 has given us the best of our recent results although the face Kevin Davies has found such fine form of late is a huge contribution.

For the next 3 matches i'm happy to play 4-5-1 against such a superior football side like Tottenham. Hopefully this will allow us to keep things tidy at the back, play the ball and hold possession through the middle, and fingers crossed scrape a winner up top. Against West Brom and Stoke however i'd much prefer to see us play 4-4-2. Despite a little more expansive, and so leaving us a tad more exposed, neither of those team has the type of players that can punish us as quickly and efficiently as Tottenham may and so both give us fantastic opportunities to play to our strengths.

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Re: Mark Davies

Post by Sponge » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:37 pm

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Spartan2 wrote:He can't defend, he can't/won't track people, and is a poor tackler so IMO just take that out of the equation. His main assest is beating people and at this he is very, very good. How many times have we seen him beat 2/3 people only to be tackled by a third/forth. His best position could well be as a forward, there he might only have to beat one player then be baring down on goal and could cause havok for defenders who might have to foul him, he's won quite a few penalties this way and if he played up front in a 442 with a pacey goal scorer I think he could be dangerous. I can see why Newcastle are supposedly interested. He's not a good enough all-rounder to play midfield though IMO.

It's all academic cos we should be playing 451.
Hmm for the first time this season i'd say the effectiveness of our 4-5-1 is highly debatable.

With the personal we had earlier this year, around December/January, 4-5-1 was by a long stretch the best option available to us. Without a prolific, 10 goals plus a year striker, I felt 4-5-1 (with Muamba/NRC) holding allowed the wingers to push further forwards and allow an extra player to come off just behind the main forward and cause chaos. It also provided extra defensive support to a dodgy back line, a line who finally look like a capable premier league defence.

Ever since the incident with Muamba, and now Pratleys illness, lining up 4-5-1 has meant playing someone out of their natural position (be it Mark Davies or Eagles against Swansea) which almost feels like we're flattering to decieve. In my eyes it's no coincidence that 4-2-2 has given us the best of our recent results although the face Kevin Davies has found such fine form of late is a huge contribution.

For the next 3 matches i'm happy to play 4-5-1 against such a superior football side like Tottenham. Hopefully this will allow us to keep things tidy at the back, play the ball and hold possession through the middle, and fingers crossed scrape a winner up top. Against West Brom and Stoke however i'd much prefer to see us play 4-4-2. Despite a little more expansive, and so leaving us a tad more exposed, neither of those team has the type of players that can punish us as quickly and efficiently as Tottenham may and so both give us fantastic opportunities to play to our strengths.
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by the-Bowtun-Warrior » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:48 pm

I really didn't want to turn this into a Mavies bashing.

Not before Wednesday either. Let's have this conversation in 2 weeks?
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by TKIZ! » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:52 pm

Me too Bowtun, let's just big up the whole team to slate them now would be a little counter productive
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by thebish » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:54 pm

TKIZ! wrote:Me too Bowtun, let's just big up the whole team to slate them now would be a little counter productive

nahhh - unless you seriously think they read all the dribble we churn out every day!!!!

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Re: Mark Davies

Post by the-Bowtun-Warrior » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:56 pm

thebish wrote:
TKIZ! wrote:Me too Bowtun, let's just big up the whole team to slate them now would be a little counter productive

nahhh - unless you seriously think they read all the dribble we churn out every day!!!!

No but if enough read it and he gives away 5/6 balls in the opening 10mins of Wednesday it COULD see folk get on his back. Not the effect we want.

Noticed TK on Twitter earlier talking in regards to getting the Reebok rocking on Wednesday. Let's do our bit!

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Re: Mark Davies

Post by TKIZ! » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:58 pm

thebish wrote:
TKIZ! wrote:Me too Bowtun, let's just big up the whole team to slate them now would be a little counter productive

nahhh - unless you seriously think they read all the dribble we churn out every day!!!!
I play for Wanderers and I read the site
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by thebish » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:05 pm

the-Bowtun-Warrior wrote:
thebish wrote:
TKIZ! wrote:Me too Bowtun, let's just big up the whole team to slate them now would be a little counter productive

nahhh - unless you seriously think they read all the dribble we churn out every day!!!!

No but if enough read it and he gives away 5/6 balls in the opening 10mins of Wednesday it COULD see folk get on his back. Not the effect we want.

Noticed TK on Twitter earlier talking in regards to getting the Reebok rocking on Wednesday. Let's do our bit!

I think it's possible to do both! discuss a player's merits/demerits - and ALSO support the team...

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Re: Mark Davies

Post by thebish » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:06 pm

TKIZ! wrote:
thebish wrote:
TKIZ! wrote:Me too Bowtun, let's just big up the whole team to slate them now would be a little counter productive

nahhh - unless you seriously think they read all the dribble we churn out every day!!!!
I play for Wanderers and I read the site

TKIZ is shoite!!! he couldn't trap a ball to save his life and he NEVER tracks back the lazy fecker!!!!

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Re: Mark Davies

Post by TKIZ! » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:09 pm

:) I'm too busy sitting on the subs bench
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by Annoyed Grunt » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:13 pm

TKIZ! wrote::) I'm too busy sitting on the subs bench
Marvin.....is that you?

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Re: Mark Davies

Post by TKIZ! » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:15 pm

Annoyed Grunt wrote:
TKIZ! wrote::) I'm too busy sitting on the subs bench
Marvin.....is that you?
Aye, just didn't want to say anything till now. I've always been a Wanderers fan. Even though I'm a Lahhhndon boy
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by Annoyed Grunt » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:16 pm

TKIZ! wrote:
Annoyed Grunt wrote:
TKIZ! wrote::) I'm too busy sitting on the subs bench
Marvin.....is that you?
Aye, just didn't want to say anything till now. I've always been a Wanderers fan. Even though I'm a Lahhhndon boy
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by TKIZ! » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:17 pm

Hehehehe
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by TKIZ! » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:18 pm

I don't know why Coyle won't play me either? He's still a very nice man though
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by lovethesmellofnapalm » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:50 pm

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Spartan2 wrote:He can't defend, he can't/won't track people, and is a poor tackler so IMO just take that out of the equation. His main assest is beating people and at this he is very, very good. How many times have we seen him beat 2/3 people only to be tackled by a third/forth. His best position could well be as a forward, there he might only have to beat one player then be baring down on goal and could cause havok for defenders who might have to foul him, he's won quite a few penalties this way and if he played up front in a 442 with a pacey goal scorer I think he could be dangerous. I can see why Newcastle are supposedly interested. He's not a good enough all-rounder to play midfield though IMO.

It's all academic cos we should be playing 451.
Hmm for the first time this season i'd say the effectiveness of our 4-5-1 is highly debatable.

With the personal we had earlier this year, around December/January, 4-5-1 was by a long stretch the best option available to us. Without a prolific, 10 goals plus a year striker, I felt 4-5-1 (with Muamba/NRC) holding allowed the wingers to push further forwards and allow an extra player to come off just behind the main forward and cause chaos. It also provided extra defensive support to a dodgy back line, a line who finally look like a capable premier league defence.

Ever since the incident with Muamba, and now Pratleys illness, lining up 4-5-1 has meant playing someone out of their natural position (be it Mark Davies or Eagles against Swansea) which almost feels like we're flattering to decieve. In my eyes it's no coincidence that 4-2-2 has given us the best of our recent results although the face Kevin Davies has found such fine form of late is a huge contribution.

For the next 3 matches i'm happy to play 4-5-1 against such a superior football side like Tottenham. Hopefully this will allow us to keep things tidy at the back, play the ball and hold possession through the middle, and fingers crossed scrape a winner up top. Against West Brom and Stoke however i'd much prefer to see us play 4-4-2. Despite a little more expansive, and so leaving us a tad more exposed, neither of those team has the type of players that can punish us as quickly and efficiently as Tottenham may and so both give us fantastic opportunities to play to our strengths.

a convert!!!! Praise the Lord and amen brother! Better to recant the heresy of 4-5-1 late than never at all :oyea:
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Re: Mark Davies

Post by Spartan2 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:31 pm

wanderers_on_tour wrote:
Spartan2 wrote:He can't defend, he can't/won't track people, and is a poor tackler so IMO just take that out of the equation. His main assest is beating people and at this he is very, very good. How many times have we seen him beat 2/3 people only to be tackled by a third/forth. His best position could well be as a forward, there he might only have to beat one player then be baring down on goal and could cause havok for defenders who might have to foul him, he's won quite a few penalties this way and if he played up front in a 442 with a pacey goal scorer I think he could be dangerous. I can see why Newcastle are supposedly interested. He's not a good enough all-rounder to play midfield though IMO.

It's all academic cos we should be playing 451.
Hmm for the first time this season i'd say the effectiveness of our 4-5-1 is highly debatable.

With the personal we had earlier this year, around December/January, 4-5-1 was by a long stretch the best option available to us. Without a prolific, 10 goals plus a year striker, I felt 4-5-1 (with Muamba/NRC) holding allowed the wingers to push further forwards and allow an extra player to come off just behind the main forward and cause chaos. It also provided extra defensive support to a dodgy back line, a line who finally look like a capable premier league defence.

Ever since the incident with Muamba, and now Pratleys illness, lining up 4-5-1 has meant playing someone out of their natural position (be it Mark Davies or Eagles against Swansea) which almost feels like we're flattering to decieve. In my eyes it's no coincidence that 4-2-2 has given us the best of our recent results although the face Kevin Davies has found such fine form of late is a huge contribution.

For the next 3 matches i'm happy to play 4-5-1 against such a superior football side like Tottenham. Hopefully this will allow us to keep things tidy at the back, play the ball and hold possession through the middle, and fingers crossed scrape a winner up top. Against West Brom and Stoke however i'd much prefer to see us play 4-4-2. Despite a little more expansive, and so leaving us a tad more exposed, neither of those team has the type of players that can punish us as quickly and efficiently as Tottenham may and so both give us fantastic opportunities to play to our strengths.
It's not debatable at all. Sunderland hadn't scored in 4 matches. Against our 442 they got two without even trying, they must have been playing at about 70% of their potential. Whenever we play 442 we are so exposed we need to score at least two to get anything from a game. It doesn't even work as a gamble at the end of a match. If we go to stoke needing anything it'll probably be a disaster, if we go to stoke needing anything and play 442 then...
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