poll where are the people who think OC is any good

[boltonboris]

Exactly. You've proven my point. So if that's the case, how is any different to Coyle's 'philosophy'?

Besides. He'd instructed his players to soak it up against City and take the beating at 3-1. They didn't. Goal difference and a confident City have taken it this far.

Against Everton, he also criticised the players for not protecting the lead.

whan asked if he'd told them. he said something along the lines of "Yes, but it's not the first time it's happened. They know the drill"

[Puskas]

Anyway, the manager is part of the long-term strategy - we're working our way through former strikers.

Mixu Paatelainen is lined up next. Did OK in Scotland, currently managing Finland - plenty of experience.

Of course, if he turns us down, we have to turn to Fabien DeFreitas.

Dean Holdsworth to lead us to Leyland Daf success in 2020. You mark my words.

[BWFC_Insane]

Anyway, the manager is part of the long-term strategy - we're working our way through former strikers.

Mixu Paatelainen is lined up next. Did OK in Scotland, currently managing Finland - plenty of experience.

Of course, if he turns us down, we have to turn to Fabien DeFreitas.

Dean Holdsworth to lead us to Leyland Daf success in 2020. You mark my words.

You've missed how truly fecked we are when Robert Fleck takes the reins....

[bw@bw]

I don't think Coyle is particularly good.
But we have had nearly 20 managers in my lifetime, and only 3 of them have been good - Ian Greaves, Rioch and Allardyce.

I don't recall any of the others being noticeably better than Coyle.

Given that track record I can't see the point of getting rid of him and getting somebody no better.

And I don't see any obvious candidates who would do a better job.

Those who are in work in the championship and below don't look brilliant, and the thought of getting Bruce, Warnock or MacArthy or some idiot like that would be even worse

[thebish]

I don't think Coyle is particularly good.
But we have had nearly 20 managers in my lifetime, and only 3 of them have been good - Ian Greaves, Rioch and Allardyce.

I don't recall any of the others being noticeably better than Coyle.

Given that track record I can't see the point of getting rid of him and getting somebody no better.

And I don't see any obvious candidates who would do a better job.

Those who are in work in the championship and below don't look brilliant, and the thought of getting Bruce, Warnock or MacArthy or some idiot like that would be even worse

play the waiting game - and we can have big sam back when west ham offload him...

[norm the jedi]

I don't think Coyle is particularly good.
But we have had nearly 20 managers in my lifetime, and only 3 of them have been good - Ian Greaves, Rioch and Allardyce.

I don't recall any of the others being noticeably better than Coyle.

Given that track record I can't see the point of getting rid of him and getting somebody no better.

And I don't see any obvious candidates who would do a better job.

Those who are in work in the championship and below don't look brilliant, and the thought of getting Bruce, Warnock or MacArthy or some idiot like that would be even worse

play the waiting game - and we can have big sam back when west ham offload him...

We couldn't afford him

[gizmothevoomer]

The only way Coyle could of done better, would be if he had more money to spend in the transfer market! We need to face the fact we are a small club who in recent years has punched above its weight! And whose board has chosen not to mortgage the long term viability of the club to stay in the promised land of the premiership.

In a year where the average premiership spend was around £25m Bolton have spent less than £10m, the majority of it in the January window when we had to replace Cahill. The other clubs who spent less were Everton who had no money to spend until they bought Jelovic in January ( I would love us to of bought him but his wages would be to high for us ). Spurs spent less than us but given there spending in the previous couple of seasons investment I would suggest they had little need to strengthen ( Especially when they got Adabayor from City on loan ). The only other club is West Brom to spend less than us which perhaps shows England have made the correct decision.

When you put this prudent lack of investment next to the loss of CYL and Holden for the season due to injury probably our two best players of 2010/2011 season. The sale of Cahill to Chelsea in January followed by the loss of Muamba for the crucial end of season run in means our squad for the run in is much weaker than the previous season.

With CYL and Holden fit for start of next season we are in good shape for a massive improvement in midfield whichever division we are in, and given Coyles dignity in handling in the aftermath of Muambas heart condition, I believe we should stick with him until Xmas next season at least.

Finally I would much rather be a BWFC today than a Rangers, Portsmouth, Port Vale or Darlington when there is a real possabilty of not having a team to follow next season, and as long as my Coyle and the players shows the same passion our supporters do for the club then they will have my total backing and support whatever their league position, and whatever league.

[norm the jedi]

The only way Coyle could of done better, would be if he had more money to spend in the transfer market! We need to face the fact we are a small club who in recent years has punched above its weight! And whose board has chosen not to mortgage the long term viability of the club to stay in the promised land of the premiership.

In a year where the average premiership spend was around £25m Bolton have spent less than £10m, the majority of it in the January window when we had to replace Cahill. The other clubs who spent less were Everton who had no money to spend until they bought Jelovic in January ( I would love us to of bought him but his wages would be to high for us ). Spurs spent less than us but given there spending in the previous couple of seasons investment I would suggest they had little need to strengthen ( Especially when they got Adabayor from City on loan ). The only other club is West Brom to spend less than us which perhaps shows England have made the correct decision.

When you put this prudent lack of investment next to the loss of CYL and Holden for the season due to injury probably our two best players of 2010/2011 season. The sale of Cahill to Chelsea in January followed by the loss of Muamba for the crucial end of season run in means our squad for the run in is much weaker than the previous season.

With CYL and Holden fit for start of next season we are in good shape for a massive improvement in midfield whichever division we are in, and given Coyles dignity in handling in the aftermath of Muambas heart condition, I believe we should stick with him until Xmas next season at least.

Finally I would much rather be a BWFC today than a Rangers, Portsmouth, Port Vale or Darlington when there is a real possabilty of not having a team to follow next season, and as long as my Coyle and the players shows the same passion our supporters do for the club then they will have my total backing and support whatever their league position, and whatever league.

I hope you've brought a tin hat and body armour

[Hoboh]

Are the club PR agents touring websites for the purpose of damage limitation?

[Prufrock]

Seriously, am I supposed to be not annoyed that our clueless cnut of a manager has got us relegated coz Rangers went bust?!

[bw@bw]

I don't think Coyle is particularly good.
But we have had nearly 20 managers in my lifetime, and only 3 of them have been good - Ian Greaves, Rioch and Allardyce.

I don't recall any of the others being noticeably better than Coyle.

Given that track record I can't see the point of getting rid of him and getting somebody no better.

And I don't see any obvious candidates who would do a better job.

Those who are in work in the championship and below don't look brilliant, and the thought of getting Bruce, Warnock or MacArthy or some idiot like that would be even worse

play the waiting game - and we can have big sam back when west ham offload him...

We couldn't afford him

The irony if he gets promoted and two of his former teams go the other way...........

[BWFC_Insane]

The only way Coyle could of done better, would be if he had more money to spend in the transfer market! We need to face the fact we are a small club who in recent years has punched above its weight! And whose board has chosen not to mortgage the long term viability of the club to stay in the promised land of the premiership.

In a year where the average premiership spend was around £25m Bolton have spent less than £10m, the majority of it in the January window when we had to replace Cahill. The other clubs who spent less were Everton who had no money to spend until they bought Jelovic in January ( I would love us to of bought him but his wages would be to high for us ). Spurs spent less than us but given there spending in the previous couple of seasons investment I would suggest they had little need to strengthen ( Especially when they got Adabayor from City on loan ). The only other club is West Brom to spend less than us which perhaps shows England have made the correct decision.

When you put this prudent lack of investment next to the loss of CYL and Holden for the season due to injury probably our two best players of 2010/2011 season. The sale of Cahill to Chelsea in January followed by the loss of Muamba for the crucial end of season run in means our squad for the run in is much weaker than the previous season.

With CYL and Holden fit for start of next season we are in good shape for a massive improvement in midfield whichever division we are in, and given Coyles dignity in handling in the aftermath of Muambas heart condition, I believe we should stick with him until Xmas next season at least.

Finally I would much rather be a BWFC today than a Rangers, Portsmouth, Port Vale or Darlington when there is a real possabilty of not having a team to follow next season, and as long as my Coyle and the players shows the same passion our supporters do for the club then they will have my total backing and support whatever their league position, and whatever league.

How do you know that won't be us soon?

Lets also correct a few facts in that post...

We've spent this season...

3M Eagles and Mears (Summer)
4M NGog (Summer)
2.5M Ream (January)
3M Sordell (January)

Which comes to by my maths 12.5M with the 'majority' of it being spent in the summer, not January.

That of course is without the loan fees for Boyata, Tun(who is he)cay and Miyaichi.

I also like the way you state that the only way Coyle could have done better was if he had more money to spend, then go on to say that West Brom spent less

You've defeated your own argument there.

Swansea and Norwich will have spent a lot less than us in total this season when you take all fees and wages into account. So thats another fly in the Owen Coyle ointment.

[norm the jedi]

3M Eagles and Mears (Summer)
4M NGog (Summer)
2.5M Ream (January)
3M Sordell (January)

Which comes to by my maths 12.5M with the 'majority' of it being spent in the summer, not January.

How much is that net spend if you take the Cahill fee off 5.5mill 6mll I forget probably comes out a lot less than 10mill

That of course is without the loan fees for Boyata, Tun(who is he)cay and Miyaichi.

Doubt that makes up the difference

Swansea and Norwich will have spent a lot less than us in total this season when you take all fees and wages into account. So thats another fly in the Owen Coyle ointment.

How would they fare with an injury list like ours?

[BWFC_Insane]

3M Eagles and Mears (Summer)
4M NGog (Summer)
2.5M Ream (January)
3M Sordell (January)

Which comes to by my maths 12.5M with the 'majority' of it being spent in the summer, not January.

How much is that net spend if you take the Cahill fee off 5.5mill 6mll I forget probably comes out a lot less than 10mill

That of course is without the loan fees for Boyata, Tun(who is he)cay and Miyaichi.

Doubt that makes up the difference

Swansea and Norwich will have spent a lot less than us in total this season when you take all fees and wages into account. So thats another fly in the Owen Coyle ointment.

How would they fare with an injury list like ours?

The old net spend argument eh? Takes us back a few years does that!

[norm the jedi]

3M Eagles and Mears (Summer)
4M NGog (Summer)
2.5M Ream (January)
3M Sordell (January)

Which comes to by my maths 12.5M with the 'majority' of it being spent in the summer, not January.

How much is that net spend if you take the Cahill fee off 5.5mill 6mll I forget probably comes out a lot less than 10mill

That of course is without the loan fees for Boyata, Tun(who is he)cay and Miyaichi.

Doubt that makes up the difference

Swansea and Norwich will have spent a lot less than us in total this season when you take all fees and wages into account. So thats another fly in the Owen Coyle ointment.

How would they fare with an injury list like ours?

The old net spend argument eh? Takes us back a few years does that!

Takes me all the way back to school.. If expenditure is 12.5 million and income is 6 million - spend = 6.5 million..

Are you actually criticising someone for trotting out an old argument? lmao

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not criticising.

I just don't think Owen has used money well at all. We'd have been better off keeping the 3M in our pockets than spending on a player who hasn't kicked a ball in anger since January, and who is proably right royally pissed off.

I don't think he has a very clear strategy for how to use our resources and whilst he may have picked up a couple of decent free transfers I don't think he's spent money at all well.

Its still not his biggest failing, which is his inability to organise a group of players to get the best out of them consistently.

In fact I'm struggling to think what he is actually good at. The much fabled "good football" doesn't stack up, I can't remember us playing anything remotely like an exciting style of football this season. In fact I still think the best football we've played was Mark Davies first home game against Spurs under Megson. I don't think we've got close to that level since.

[Sponge]

I'm not criticising.

I just don't think Owen has used money well at all. We'd have been better off keeping the 3M in our pockets than spending on a player who hasn't kicked a ball in anger since January, and who is proably right royally pissed off.

I don't think he has a very clear strategy for how to use our resources and whilst he may have picked up a couple of decent free transfers I don't think he's spent money at all well.

Its still not his biggest failing, which is his inability to organise a group of players to get the best out of them consistently.

In fact I'm struggling to think what he is actually good at. The much fabled "good football" doesn't stack up, I can't remember us playing anything remotely like an exciting style of football this season. In fact I still think the best football we've played was Mark Davies first home game against Spurs under Megson. I don't think we've got close to that level since.

Eh? Not got close? We played some excellent football in the first half of last season – you know, when Coyle was (ludicrously) being touted as Wenger's replacement.

Regarding Sordell. It depends. Perhaps he was a player he had in mind to buy in the summer, saw that Cardiff were going in for him, and was forced to make a move. 3 million in Janurary or 3 million in the summer – it doesn't make much difference.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

we have had nearly 20 managers in my lifetime, and only 3 of them have been good - Ian Greaves, Rioch and Allardyce.

I don't recall any of the others being noticeably better than Coyle.

I quite enjoyed 1996/97 meself...

[Whookam]

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How much is that net spend if you take the Cahill fee off 5.5mill 6mll I forget probably comes out a lot less than 10mill

He didn't say net spend though, the only said spend.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not criticising.

I just don't think Owen has used money well at all. We'd have been better off keeping the 3M in our pockets than spending on a player who hasn't kicked a ball in anger since January, and who is proably right royally pissed off.

I don't think he has a very clear strategy for how to use our resources and whilst he may have picked up a couple of decent free transfers I don't think he's spent money at all well.

Its still not his biggest failing, which is his inability to organise a group of players to get the best out of them consistently.

In fact I'm struggling to think what he is actually good at. The much fabled "good football" doesn't stack up, I can't remember us playing anything remotely like an exciting style of football this season. In fact I still think the best football we've played was Mark Davies first home game against Spurs under Megson. I don't think we've got close to that level since.

Eh? Not got close? We played some excellent football in the first half of last season – you know, when Coyle was (ludicrously) being touted as Wenger's replacement.

Regarding Sordell. It depends. Perhaps he was a player he had in mind to buy in the summer, saw that Cardiff were going in for him, and was forced to make a move. 3 million in Janurary or 3 million in the summer – it doesn't make much difference.

If you don't have much money and are in the relegation zone, should you really be buying a player you don't intend on playing till the next season?

Its quite ludicrous.

If we were mid table and in no real danger of relegation and losing 25M then spending the money in that way would be fine.

The truth is that January was our chance to dig ourselves out. If we had no money and couldn't then fine. But to spend a significant fee on a player who wasn't going to be involved....ridiculous.