Doomsday: Stoke away

[Tombwfc]

He never relegated us because he wasn't given chance.

He did, however, plunge us into the levels of debt that may well yet finish this club.

Which is pretty impressive for a team in the relegation zone.

This feels like an obvious point, but he didn't plunge us into anything, it was never his money.

Even if you thought the players Megson picked were utter shite, Gartside and/or Davies chose to spend the money.

Not that any of this really matters. Everything from Wembley onwards has been a disaster (although not an inevitable one) and now we're down.

Gartside and/or Davies also chose to sack him. In fact, it was so bad they were prepared to take the risk of still paying him and paying a new manager.

It seems such an obvious point, but he was sacked. Coyle wasn't.

Please try to get in to second gear and ask "why?".

Presumably it wasn't because Megson somehow found a way to spend all of their money without telling them.

[Lord Kangana]

So you're blaming Gartside now then aswell?

[jaffka]

He never relegated us because he wasn't given chance.

He did, however, plunge us into the levels of debt that may well yet finish this club.

Which is pretty impressive for a team in the relegation zone.

This feels like an obvious point, but he didn't plunge us into anything, it was never his money.

Even if you thought the players Megson picked were utter shite, Gartside and/or Davies chose to spend the money.

Not that any of this really matters. Everything from Wembley onwards has been a disaster (although not an inevitable one) and now we're down.

Gartside and/or Davies also chose to sack him. In fact, it was so bad they were prepared to take the risk of still paying him and paying a new manager.

It seems such an obvious point, but he was sacked. Coyle wasn't.

Please try to get in to second gear and ask "why?".

Presumably it wasn't because Megson somehow found a way to spend all of their money without telling them.

Who are you blaming then?

[BWFC_Insane]

It works like this, the manager is given a budget and tells the chairman who he wants to buy.

Gartside tries to make those deals happen.

Megson bought players on the whole that were good enough to keep us up, without being spectacular.

LK is probably right that we were never going to be able to keep buying the likes of Elmander, or Cahill or even Knight for several million ad infinitum. However, Megson did sell several players and was essentially rebuilding a team.

But the bottom line is that Coyles buys have been awful, when you've got 10M quids worth on the bench for a must win, you know he's wasted money. Sure he's not spent as much as Megson but probably wouldn't have been far off if wed got full whack for Cahill in the summer.

Thankfully we will probably be shopping in the free market this summer and Coyle seems better there than he does spending money.....

[50sQuiff]

What a surreal 90 minutes that was. All a bit of a blur, to be honest. Just stuck shaking my head with a vague sense of ennui about the whole thing. I'm glad the season's over.

Our form in the final third of the season was OK wasn't it? Unfortunately no amount of happy thoughts from the fans and bon mots from Owen Coyle were sufficient to make up for the first two thirds.

[jaffka]

It works like this, the manager is given a budget and tells the chairman who he wants to buy.

Gartside tries to make those deals happen.

Megson bought players on the whole that were good enough to keep us up, without being spectacular.

LK is probably right that we were never going to be able to keep buying the likes of Elmander, or Cahill or even Knight for several million ad infinitum. However, Megson did sell several players and was essentially rebuilding a team.

But the bottom line is that Coyles buys have been awful, when you've got 10M quids worth on the bench for a must win, you know he's wasted money. Sure he's not spent as much as Megson but probably wouldn't have been far off if wed got full whack for Cahill in the summer.

Thankfully we will probably be shopping in the free market this summer and Coyle seems better there than he does spending money.....

I predict that we will be going around in circles again here...

Zat Knight, sh*t hot?

Danny Shittu, sh*t hot?

etc...

[BWFC_Insane]

It works like this, the manager is given a budget and tells the chairman who he wants to buy.

Gartside tries to make those deals happen.

Megson bought players on the whole that were good enough to keep us up, without being spectacular.

LK is probably right that we were never going to be able to keep buying the likes of Elmander, or Cahill or even Knight for several million ad infinitum. However, Megson did sell several players and was essentially rebuilding a team.

But the bottom line is that Coyles buys have been awful, when you've got 10M quids worth on the bench for a must win, you know he's wasted money. Sure he's not spent as much as Megson but probably wouldn't have been far off if wed got full whack for Cahill in the summer.

Thankfully we will probably be shopping in the free market this summer and Coyle seems better there than he does spending money.....

I predict that we will be going around in circles again here...

Zat Knight, sh*t hot?

Danny Shittu, sh*t hot?

etc...

Yeah but you're clearly not reading. He put together a group good enough to stay up, and it did.

[Lord Kangana]

Just. With a considerably larger budget.

I think thats the crux of this argument.

[jaffka]

It works like this, the manager is given a budget and tells the chairman who he wants to buy.

Gartside tries to make those deals happen.

Megson bought players on the whole that were good enough to keep us up, without being spectacular.

LK is probably right that we were never going to be able to keep buying the likes of Elmander, or Cahill or even Knight for several million ad infinitum. However, Megson did sell several players and was essentially rebuilding a team.

But the bottom line is that Coyles buys have been awful, when you've got 10M quids worth on the bench for a must win, you know he's wasted money. Sure he's not spent as much as Megson but probably wouldn't have been far off if wed got full whack for Cahill in the summer.

Thankfully we will probably be shopping in the free market this summer and Coyle seems better there than he does spending money.....

I predict that we will be going around in circles again here...

Zat Knight, sh*t hot?

Danny Shittu, sh*t hot?

etc...

Yeah but you're clearly not reading. He put together a group good enough to stay up, and it did.

Yawn, as has been repeated elsewhere, until we were going down and the board stepped in and sacked him.

I am going to copy you know and use some opinion as total fact:
So glad that we did as we would now be being relegated into league 2.

[Sponge]

I hope all the Rose tinters are happy now.

Remind me how that one works will you? Keeping the faith and hoping, through all the shit times, makes you happy when you get relegated? Really?

You been knocking the manager, club and players and throwing bricks from the third row back of the cuckoo klux klan as long as I can remember. What ,really,did you expect the rose-tinters to do, grab a bed sheet and join you? I'm far from happy right now, but I'd still rather be a rose-tinted optimist than a permanenly pessimistic miserable sod, if that's all right with you?

Cue..how much you spend and what a super fan you are. With your attitude I'd spend the money on a good set of golf clubs and moan how high the rough is instead.

Thanks TANGODANCER, saved me the effort. Though I'd perhaps have added a few more epithets to "perminently pessimistic miserable sod" (how about "santimonious, tedious, whinging, bore").

And if it's so awful, why keep buying season tickets? For the bragging rights?

[Tombwfc]

So you're blaming Gartside now then aswell?

I'm of the opinion that the team we had (regardless of injuries) was good enough to accumulate the extra two points we needed. So I blame the manager.

If you're of the opinion that the team we had wasn't good enough to stay up, and that the reason is because we spent all our money when Megson was manager, that's fine. But yes, you'd have to blame Gartside/Davies for that.

Again, I'm not arguing that he was good, or that he'd have kept us up. It's been done to death and I'm not interested. However, the idea that he and he alone is responsible for the money we spent while he was manager is clearly and obviously wrong.

[Lord Kangana]

Good. With such a concise, analytical approach to our circumstance, you'll be able to understand that Coyle cannot be held solely to blame for the mess our club finds itself in.

[Worthy4England]

I'm not sure how useful the comparisons with Megson are anyhow. Different teams in the league then.

Now if we want to compare what Coyle's has had in transfer money and salary, compared to say Swansea or Norwich, or maybe West Brom, Wolves, Blackburn etc. I think you'd find he's underperformed comparitively by a long chalk.

We haven't got any money, so I'll spend 7.5m of it on two strikers, one who can't score and the other who can't get off the bench.

And as we've been saying all season, tactics cost nothing more than Coyle's salary, so I can only assume he's getting paid nowt too.

Clueless fcuker.

[BWFC_Insane]

Just. With a considerably larger budget.

I think thats the crux of this argument.

Which is all very well, but how do you explain 10M quids worth of Coyles signings sat on the bench? And do you think that if Megson was sacked for spending money on players that didn't contribute, that ultimately Coyle has done the same?

He's not maximised resources. He may have had less resources, but he's wasted them just the same!

[jaffka]

Just. With a considerably larger budget.

I think thats the crux of this argument.

Which is all very well, but how do you explain 10M quids worth of Coyles signings sat on the bench? And do you think that if Megson was sacked for spending money on players that didn't contribute, that ultimately Coyle has done the same?

He's not maximised resources. He may have had less resources, but he's wasted them just the same!

What are you trying to achieve here?

[Lord Kangana]

In a league where cash is king, I'll bet my life savings that Coyle's £/point is lower (better) than Megson's.

I fear I'm repeating myself, but the goalposts have moved.

[Hoboh]

So you're blaming Gartside now then aswell?

Too true three strike Gartsides to blame take the blinkers off, he got lucky with BSA.

[Hoboh]

In a league where cash is king, I'll bet my life savings that Coyle's £/point is lower (better) than Megson's.

I fear I'm repeating myself, but the goalposts have moved.

I'm betting stump is in a lower division than Megson was while he was here too!

[jaffka]

So you're blaming Gartside now then aswell?

Too true three strike Gartsides to blame take the blinkers off, he got lucky with BSA.

Once again, put your money where your mouth is and buy the club and I will support you.

[BWFC_Insane]

So you're blaming Gartside now then aswell?

Too true three strike Gartsides to blame take the blinkers off, he got lucky with BSA.

Once again, put your money where your mouth is and buy the club and I will support you.

Would you say the same if Coyle left and they decided to reappoint Megson? Would you say 'fair play' it's their club we just all have to support them and the manager?