The Politics Thread

[Bruce Rioja]

the brave new world of the Tory NHS..

http://www.barnsley.nhs.uk/every-adult- ... eaflet.pdf

now "care navigators" are being employed to guide patients through the complex decisions and options they have when faced with a serious illness...

excuse me - isn't that what a GP is supposed to do??

And the role of the functionary to cure all known ills. Yes. Bob on!

[Lord Kangana]

Spoke to the doc the other day. Wouldn't be unhappy with privatisation from a personal gain point of view, says the new legislation is a f*cking mess, as it simply removes funding from bad areas. Smart move that.

[Hoboh]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ppeal.html#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Slipping quietly under the radar this one

[Hoboh]

What the devil is dippy David doing going slobbering to Merkel?
Give us the vote you wimp on 'in or out' of the EU cock up.
I suspect pal the rebellion growing behind your own lines will 'off you' soon. The Greek people are no fools stashing their cash and buying 50 euro Kalashnikovs

[thebish]

What the devil is dippy David doing going slobbering to Merkel?

you've stumbled on quite a good question there Hoboh!

Dave has lost the chance to look like a statesman in Europe - being as none of them like him... but he still wants a bit of reflective glory from the big boys and girls table where all the important stuff is decided - so he has to beg Merkel to give him some of her time so he can have some important-looking photos done.

as for what good it does - well, he is reduced to a "something must be done" man - someone who hasn't got any ideas to contribute - and so stands outside and shouts - "something needs to be done urgently - and someone needs to do it - I don't know what - but someone had better do it soon - and I'm an important guy because I noticed that."

this from the guy who promised to keep us at the heart of European decision-making...

[Worthy4England]

There was one great shot of our premier statesman wombling aimlessly on and Merkel rolling her eyes as if to ask "wtf is he on about" The thought that all our problems would fade away if only we left the EU, is not a sound one.

[thebish]

There was one great shot of our premier statesman wombling aimlessly on and Merkel rolling her eyes as if to ask "wtf is he on about"

[Worthy4England]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18351326" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, on principle, no Ministers are going to be attending group games. Be interesting to see if their high moral stance would lead to them being able to resist the possibility of a photo opp, should we progress further...

[thebish]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18351326

So, on principle, no Ministers are going to be attending group games. Be interesting to see if their high moral stance would lead to them being able to resist the possibility of a photo opp, should we progress further...

I think they have already said they'd attend later rounds should we progress!

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

What the devil is dippy David doing going slobbering to Merkel?

you've stumbled on quite a good question there Hoboh!

Dave has lost the chance to look like a statesman in Europe - being as none of them like him... but he still wants a bit of reflective glory from the big boys and girls table where all the important stuff is decided - so he has to beg Merkel to give him some of her time so he can have some important-looking photos done.

as for what good it does - well, he is reduced to a "something must be done" man - someone who hasn't got any ideas to contribute - and so stands outside and shouts - "something needs to be done urgently - and someone needs to do it - I don't know what - but someone had better do it soon - and I'm an important guy because I noticed that."

this from the guy who promised to keep us at the heart of European decision-making...

I'd question when we've ever been at the heart of European decision-making.

I still don't understand this line of argument and the supposed influence that Cameron has given up... or indeed what 'influence' even is if it is only attainable by going along with what the rest of the club wants.

The reality, I think, is that we are very unlikely ever to get what we want via soft power when what we are after flatly contradicts what the Euro countries want, and so our position is only ever going to be adversarial in such circumstances.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... ke-up.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Prufrock]

Europe depresses me. Slipping under the radar last year was the European Union Act, which amongst other things means there will have to be a referendum every time we cede certain powers to Europe. What a load of populist shite. Can you imagine the apathy?!

[Hoboh]

Europe depresses me. Slipping under the radar last year was the European Union Act, which amongst other things means there will have to be a referendum every time we cede certain powers to Europe. What a load of populist shite. Can you imagine the apathy?!

I know I keep saying we should just get out

[thebish]

after a solid decade of improving patient satisfaction in the NHS, in 2011 satisfaction levels dropped by a record amount from 70% to 58%

Satisfaction fell with GP services, hospital services and A&E departments but rose slightly with dentistry.

the gov. says that their own survey reveals that, in fact, 92% of people love the NHS and want its babies!

safe in their hands??? I think they may have some persuading to do still...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

after a solid decade of improving patient satisfaction in the NHS, in 2011 satisfaction levels dropped by a record amount from 70% to 58%

Satisfaction fell with GP services, hospital services and A&E departments but rose slightly with dentistry.

the gov. says that their own survey reveals that, in fact, 92% of people love the NHS and want its babies!

safe in their hands??? I think they may have some persuading to do still...

How are these measured, out of interest?

Are they actual users of these services or could it be a vague response to what's been in the news?

[thebish]

after a solid decade of improving patient satisfaction in the NHS, in 2011 satisfaction levels dropped by a record amount from 70% to 58%

Satisfaction fell with GP services, hospital services and A&E departments but rose slightly with dentistry.

the gov. says that their own survey reveals that, in fact, 92% of people love the NHS and want its babies!

safe in their hands??? I think they may have some persuading to do still...

How are these measured, out of interest?

Are they actual users of these services or could it be a vague response to what's been in the news?

it could be either.. it's the British Social Attitudes Survey - which is measured every year - and includes simply a cross section of society. so they might be users of the service - or relatives of users - or friends of users - or doctors or nurses or (if there is such a person!!) people who have had no direct or indirect experience of the NHS at all in that year.

it's the measure that is usually accepted as the standard - probably because it is taken every year in pretty much the same way - and so there is a baseline for comparison.

[William the White]

after a solid decade of improving patient satisfaction in the NHS, in 2011 satisfaction levels dropped by a record amount from 70% to 58%

Satisfaction fell with GP services, hospital services and A&E departments but rose slightly with dentistry.

the gov. says that their own survey reveals that, in fact, 92% of people love the NHS and want its babies!

safe in their hands??? I think they may have some persuading to do still...

How are these measured, out of interest?

Are they actual users of these services or could it be a vague response to what's been in the news?

it could be either.. it's the British Social Attitudes Survey - which is measured every year - and includes simply a cross section of society. so they might be users of the service - or relatives of users - or friends of users - or doctors or nurses or (if there is such a person!!) people who have had no direct or indirect experience of the NHS at all in that year.

it's the measure that is usually accepted as the standard - probably because it is taken every year in pretty much the same way - and so there is a baseline for comparison.

Was the same kind of result under Thatcher - didn't stop her being re-elected... The economy will decide the next one - as it did the last...

Come on Syriza... Come on, Alexis... Come on the Greek working class... Defy the bastards...

[Hoboh]

after a solid decade of improving patient satisfaction in the NHS, in 2011 satisfaction levels dropped by a record amount from 70% to 58%

Satisfaction fell with GP services, hospital services and A&E departments but rose slightly with dentistry.

the gov. says that their own survey reveals that, in fact, 92% of people love the NHS and want its babies!

safe in their hands??? I think they may have some persuading to do still...

How are these measured, out of interest?

Are they actual users of these services or could it be a vague response to what's been in the news?

it could be either.. it's the British Social Attitudes Survey - which is measured every year - and includes simply a cross section of society. so they might be users of the service - or relatives of users - or friends of users - or doctors or nurses or (if there is such a person!!) people who have had no direct or indirect experience of the NHS at all in that year.

it's the measure that is usually accepted as the standard - probably because it is taken every year in pretty much the same way - and so there is a baseline for comparison.

Was the same kind of result under Thatcher - didn't stop her being re-elected... The economy will decide the next one - as it did the last...

Come on Syriza... Come on, Alexis... Come on the Greek working class... Defy the bastards...

Stelios?

[Zulus Thousand of em]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18351323" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An interesting read. Some would undoubtedly spot a right-wing smear campaign at the reactionary BBC.

Still, nice to see the comrades dabbling in capitalism.

[BWFC_Insane]

after a solid decade of improving patient satisfaction in the NHS, in 2011 satisfaction levels dropped by a record amount from 70% to 58%

Satisfaction fell with GP services, hospital services and A&E departments but rose slightly with dentistry.

the gov. says that their own survey reveals that, in fact, 92% of people love the NHS and want its babies!

safe in their hands??? I think they may have some persuading to do still...

How are these measured, out of interest?

Are they actual users of these services or could it be a vague response to what's been in the news?

And each year some of the same people are questioned to get a consistent measure.

It doesn't take a genius to realise Cameron and Lansley have made a right royal mess of the NHS.

[thebish]

OK - so Nicky Clegg and the lib dems all want a proper independent investigation into Jeremy Hunt's conduct..

they have been clear about this.

Labour bring a resolution to the house of commons calling for an independent investigation (which won't have any binding obligation on the PM - he could just ignore it even if it was passed)

and the Lib Dems' principled no-nonsense plain-man's approach to no-nonsense politics is to ABSTAIN???

here's an idea... maybe people would respect you for voting FOR things that you yourself propose?