Sean Davis

[Martin_Cruise]

If you know the contents of every doctor's medical report on Muamba than you obviously have fantastic connections in the medical profession and I will bow to your superior knowledge

[Lord Kangana]

Interesting...we cant have given him a thorough medical when we signed him surely?

the medical team doesn't seem to be as successfull as under BSA thats for sure.

Was it the same doctor Megson had doing the medical that didn't pick up Muamba's heart condition?

Every doctor who has examined Muamba has failed to pick up his condition. At Villa and at every level with England up to under 21.

In fact I don't recall, in all the coverage of his illness, anyone mentioning his condition. Care to tell us what it is?

I think the young gentleman is trying to point out the glaring inconsistencies in the arguements put forward in this thread. I think.

[Prufrock]

If you know the contents of every doctor's medical report on Muamba than you obviously have fantastic connections in the medical profession and I will bow to your superior knowledge

I don't think you need access to the contents of every doctor's medical report to assume they didn't pick it up. What with the alternative being that a medical professional detected a life-threatening heart condition in a footballer they were responsible for, and thought 'f*ck it, if we ignore it it will probably go away'.

I've seen Gary Megson blamed for some unusual things, but Muamba's heart condition is going some!

As for Sean Davis, I think we've got to assume he does actually enjoy playing football, and so if he feels it is our medical staff who have f*cked him over then I think he is within his rights to be pissed off. A poster above mentioned three injuries as evidence of why he is injury-prone, and therefore why we shouldn't have signed him. Bizarrely two of those injuries came ... after we had signed him. I'm not saying that means we did or did not ruin him, but it's expecting a bit much of the medical staff to take them into account when we did sign him!

Going off a vague remembrance, I don't remember thinking 'this boy is a crock' when we signed him. I'm not sure at the time it was that 'obvious'. Does that mean Meggo's doctors f*cked up when doing his medical? Who knows, I don't know enough about the anatomy of the knees to know if such a condition has detectable symptoms before it goes boom.

Generally, as BWFCi says we do seem to have had a lot more folk return from injury only to be out again straight after. The likes of Chungy, Wheater, Ricketts, and Holden first time round seem to be nothing more than very bad luck. Holden the second time round, Mears back then out again, Riley seemingly in and out, Alonso back then out again, they all seem part of a worrying trend.

As for QF, it'd be a bit harsh to criticise the medical staff for that given everyone knew he was a crock and as such was supposedly on a pay as you play deal. Nothing wrong with that. Sensible gamble, given we never conceded with him on the pitch !

[Lord Kangana]

I have loads of pins, plates, rods and screws in me. This doesn't make me an expert on what will happen, but it does mean I've had first hand experience of what they say to you, which, concisely was:

1) We don't know exactly
2) If you do have some sort of recurrence, the current repair job may make any injury worse, as it will displace the pressure, metal being tougher than bone.

I can only conclude that people hypothesising about Holden haven't the first clue what they're talking about. They might, but there seems scant evidence of it.

[Tombwfc]

Muamba was tested at least four times during his career, with the latest being during pre-season last year. Source - http://www.thenational.ae/sport/footbal ... heart-scan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Arguing who's medical staff is better is up there with arguing about coaches. I don't have the first clue what any of them do. Saying that, Sean Davis obviously does, and so his complaint (that the club's medical staff aren't experienced enough in dealing with injuries like his) seems a pretty valid complaint.

[Lord Kangana]

What is it about removing the impossible? Because he's obviously not going to publicly say he's f*cked. He relies on his living for him not being a crock. Surprisingly, I guess he wants to keep on earning more.

[Tombwfc]

Regardless, the fact that he could pick our medical staff out of a line-up gives his opinion considerably more weight than anyone else's in this thread.

[BWFC_Insane]

The fact that we have so many recurring injuries and relapses that we didn't have before and that a player has come out and criticised the Medical teams knowledge would make a pretty good case. Certainly more evidence to it than those saying it's just a bit of bad luck!

[thebish]

The fact that we have so many recurring injuries and relapses that we didn't have before and that a player has come out and criticised the Medical teams knowledge would make a pretty good case. Certainly more evidence to it than those saying it's just a bit of bad luck!

has he said in what way specifically they fall short?

[BWFC_Insane]

The fact that we have so many recurring injuries and relapses that we didn't have before and that a player has come out and criticised the Medical teams knowledge would make a pretty good case. Certainly more evidence to it than those saying it's just a bit of bad luck!

has he said in what way specifically they fall short?

He says they didn't have the knowledge to deal with his injury and choose the correct recovery program. It seems we have lost the sports science and rehab team Sam had assembled and also we don't seem to use the world renowned Dr Steadman for knee ligament injuries like we did previously.

It does feel like we've lost some of this attention to detail. Coyle is a young manager and will probably pick some of that up along the way, but it's a shame the structure Allaryce created has not been repeated, at least the bits that worked well.

[thebish]

The fact that we have so many recurring injuries and relapses that we didn't have before and that a player has come out and criticised the Medical teams knowledge would make a pretty good case. Certainly more evidence to it than those saying it's just a bit of bad luck!

has he said in what way specifically they fall short?

He says they didn't have the knowledge to deal with his injury and choose the correct recovery program.

so - he is claiming he was mis-treated? has he said specifically what was wrong with his recovery programme?

[Wandering Willy]

He says they didn't have the knowledge to deal with his injury and choose the correct recovery program. It seems we have lost the sports science and rehab team Sam had assembled and also we don't seem to use the world renowned Dr Steadman for knee ligament injuries like we did previously.

Is any of this based on fact or is it another not so sly dig at Coyle?

[CrazyHorse]

The fact that we have so many recurring injuries and relapses that we didn't have before and that a player has come out and criticised the Medical teams knowledge would make a pretty good case. Certainly more evidence to it than those saying it's just a bit of bad luck!

has he said in what way specifically they fall short?

He says they didn't have the knowledge to deal with his injury and choose the correct recovery program.

so - he is claiming he was mis-treated? has he said specifically what was wrong with his recovery programme?

Aye. Apparently the piled up tenners from the £5.5million quid we paid him to sit playing Call of Duty for the last three years was slightly too high to rest his leg on comfortably.

[Wandering Willy]

[Little Green Man]

so - he is claiming he was mis-treated? has he said specifically what was wrong with his recovery programme?

I heard he got a bit miffed when he was told the club would only stump up for shire horse placenta.

[BWFC_Insane]

So we are just ignoring what Davis said, ignoring all the recurring injuries, the fact that according to Davis Holden chose to do his rehab with doctors and sports specialists in the states and not with the clubs staff, and coming to the conclusion that everything is simply hunky dory?

Super!

[Wandering Willy]

What you are ignoring is the possibility that the club told Holden that the best treatment available for him was in the States and sent him there.

[BWFC_Insane]

What you are ignoring is the possibility that the club told Holden that the best treatment available for him was in the States and sent him there.

Yeah I suppose it's possible that the beat rehab possible for Holdens injury was in his home town and the best possible rehab for Chungy happened to also be in his home town in Korea.

I'm just saying that under Allardyce we had fewer injuries, shorter recovery times and less reccurrence. Could all be one big coincidence and the comments from Davis just another coincidence.

Alternatively....

[thebish]

So we are just ignoring what Davis said, ignoring all the recurring injuries, the fact that according to Davis Holden chose to do his rehab with doctors and sports specialists in the states and not with the clubs staff, and coming to the conclusion that everything is simply hunky dory?

Super!

has he said specifically what was wrong with his recovery programme?

[bobo the clown]

So we are just ignoring what Davis said, ignoring all the recurring injuries, the fact that according to Davis Holden chose to do his rehab with doctors and sports specialists in the states and not with the clubs staff, and coming to the conclusion that everything is simply hunky dory?

Super!

has he said specifically what was wrong with his recovery programme?

Fckg hell Bish, you are capable of looking this up, then you can drop the barrister bit ...
http://www.burndenaces.co.uk/news/davis ... olton_2407" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The 32-year-old tore his articular cartilage in September 2009 and failed to make any first-team appearances for the Trotters afterwards. He will officially leave Bolton when his contract expires at the end of the month and he claims Stuart Holden's decision to conduct his own rehabilitation in the United States was down to his persuasion.

"I don't live with regrets and I don't regret my time at Bolton," Davis told The Bolton News. "I'm just not that sort of person. The one thing I would have changed is that I would have done my rehab elsewhere. I don't think the medical team were experienced enough with my injury to have helped me get through it and back to a good condition. I eventually saw a doctor called Jay Rodrigo, who was fantastic, and I feel if I'd seen him earlier things might have been different. With that in mind, I have managed to help certain players with a bit of advice and I did tell Stuart to go and get his rehab back home.