The Great Art Debate

[thebish]

Yes but most people would recognise it as football even if they didn't understand it. And we have shades of grey, such as women's football, 5-a-side, beach football etc. etc. What we're discussing here is beach vollyball and then trying to convince everyone it's football.

hmmmm... but given that it was bobo who introduced Moore to this discussion about art - then I think we can assume that most people recognise Moore's work as art even if they don't understand and even if they don't want to understand it... bobo clearly put it in the art category and he thinks it's a bag of shoite!

[William the White]

Guess this is where I fail my great art degree. Sculpture of two human figures that actually don't need any imagination. If Henry Moore is a great atist, where does that place Rodin and Bellini? No new argument, just a repeat one.

It places Rodin exactly where he was before - an artist of exceptional talent... If all you are saying is you prefer him to Moore, fine... I really don't mind... In certain moods, so would I.... If you are saying his work proves Moore, an artist working in a totally different genre, is no good, you really are talking bollocks... It doesn't prove anything at all, other than the versatility of art...

[Worthy4England]

Yes but most people would recognise it as football even if they didn't understand it. And we have shades of grey, such as women's football, 5-a-side, beach football etc. etc. What we're discussing here is beach vollyball and then trying to convince everyone it's football.

hmmmm... but given that it was bobo who introduced Moore to this discussion about art - then I think we can assume that most people recognise Moore's work as art even if they don't understand and even if they don't want to understand it... bobo clearly put it in the art category and he thinks it's a bag of shoite!

Sometimes, just occasionally, even the Clown misses with a custard pie.

He did introduce it rather sarcastically as "apparently this is art" - you could take a punt that he might not agree with the sentiment.

We probably have decent grounds to ask a mod to move it on the basis it's on the wrong thread. Tango, you still a mod?

[thebish]

Yes but most people would recognise it as football even if they didn't understand it. And we have shades of grey, such as women's football, 5-a-side, beach football etc. etc. What we're discussing here is beach vollyball and then trying to convince everyone it's football.

hmmmm... but given that it was bobo who introduced Moore to this discussion about art - then I think we can assume that most people recognise Moore's work as art even if they don't understand and even if they don't want to understand it... bobo clearly put it in the art category and he thinks it's a bag of shoite!

Sometimes, just occasionally, even the Clown misses with a custard pie.

oooohh - thin ice there Worthy!!!

[TANGODANCER]

It is far more likely that I have summat to learn than it is that Moore's work is crap.
maybe that's true for you too?

No, really, it isn't. And nowhere did I use the words rubbish, worthless or crap. It is just of no interest to me whatsoever. I think I'm a little jealous of a man who can twist and shape a large pile of stone, steel, concrete or whatever and convince people it's a reclining figure despite the fact that it looks nothing like one, and have them actually believe it just because he says so. That takes a real artist.[/quote]

it isn't true that you have summat to learn??? you must then be the know-it-all you seemed to be accusing me of being then...

There's nothing I wish to learn about Henry Moore or his "art". There are many other things I have to learn that are far more important to me. Let others have my share of him willingly.

[thebish]

There's nothing I wish to learn about Henry Moore or his "art". There are many other things I have to learn that are far more important to me. Let others have my share of him willingly.

as is your choice... but I think it's sad when people deliberately close their minds to summat they don't understand...

what kind of other things are you learning that are more important? sounds interesting!

[Worthy4England]

There's nothing I wish to learn about Henry Moore or his "art". There are many other things I have to learn that are far more important to me. Let others have my share of him willingly.

as is your choice... but I think it's sad when people deliberately close their minds to summat they don't understand...

what kind of other things are you learning that are more important? sounds interesting!

What about looked at it, understand it's a mess, then closed mind?

Right words, wrong emphasis.

There are some sculptures by Moore that are awreet.

I have nothing really important to do.

[thebish]

What about looked at it, understand it's a mess, then closed mind?

Right words, wrong emphasis.

I'm sure Tango can choose his own emphasis!

[Bruce Rioja]

Have any of you ever seen this before? It's a sculpture that stands by the Skywalk between Terminals 1 & 2 at Manchester Airport to commemorate Alcock & Brown's first trans-Atlantic flight. It basically depicts the human body in flight. Absolutely magnificent, IMO, and absolutely wasted standing where it does.

[William the White]

Have any of you ever seen this before? It's a sculpture that stands by the Skywalk between Terminals 1 & 2 at Manchester Airport to commemorate Alcock & Brown's first trans-Atlantic flight. It basically depicts the human body in flight. Absolutely magnificent, IMO, and absolutely wasted standing where it does.

I'll look out for it next time I'm there (prob nov). Who is the artist, Bruce, did you notice?

[Worthy4England]

Elisabeth Frink.

[Bruce Rioja]

Videogames should be classed as art’, says Bolton University lecturer

Wiiilliiiiaaaaaaaaaaaam. Come here and explain yourself!

[Prufrock]

I don't think he means Pac-Man.

If TV shows can be classed as art it isn't a big jump to imagine story focussed games like GTA and Red Dead Redemption could be too.

Watching me on Pro Evo 5 was like watching poetry in motion .

[Worthy4England]

Videogames should be classed as art’, says Bolton University lecturer

Wiiilliiiiaaaaaaaaaaaam. Come here and explain yourself!

Can't say I'm surprised after some of the other suggestions we've had.

[William the White]

Videogames should be classed as art’, says Bolton University lecturer

Wiiilliiiiaaaaaaaaaaaam. Come here and explain yourself!

Can't say I'm surprised after some of the other suggestions we've had.

I'll ask my son, who teaches computer games at both Bradford and Bolton Universities...

[thebish]

[TANGODANCER]

Now that did make me laugh out loud.

[William the White]

One for Tango and other lovers of artistic mince...

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[William the White]

Were I in London this event would be like a magnet. Frieze Masters. The annual art fair this year offers works by the the famous throughout the centuries.

Good article in today's Guardian also, in part discussing art as commodity and access to it.

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Hooray - get the art debate on the first page again!

[TANGODANCER]

Were I in London this event would be like a magnet. Frieze Masters. The annual art fair this year offers works by the the famous throughout the centuries.

Good article in today's Guardian also, in part discussing art as commodity and access to it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/ ... cret-world" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hooray - get the art debate on the first page again!

The Ribera Aristotle is magnificent.