Jaffka's gossip thread on the ins and outs at the 'Bok

[BWFC_Insane]

I only noticed it on the bn website looking for a match report from last night!

Either way I reckon he wont be with us by the end of August. Just hope Coyle uses the coin eisely on someone ready now.

If we are turning down 4M then I'd say there is a fair chance he will still be here. How much do you think Swansea will pay? 4M is way overpriced as it is!

[Puskas]

£8m is absolutely ridiculous money for Mavies. In fact, I'm surprised we didn't bite their hand off for the £4m offered.

Is it? Have you seen how much English midfielders with Premier League experience go for?

As a club, I've long believed we've sold a lot of our players for too little. £4million for Nolan? Another English midlfielder, with a proven track record of goals in the Premier League? We should have got at least twice that. Indeed Joe Kinnear said when he bought him that he was surprised we were willing to sell him for so little.

So if we have to flog Davies(M), then let's get as much money for him as possible.

And make them take Davies(K) off our hands, too, as part of the deal...

[officer_dibble]

I only noticed it on the bn website looking for a match report from last night!

Either way I reckon he wont be with us by the end of August. Just hope Coyle uses the coin eisely on someone ready now.

If we are turning down 4M then I'd say there is a fair chance he will still be here. How much do you think Swansea will pay? 4M is way overpriced as it is!

But we know what they are getting for ledley.

young english and overpriced...thats the nature of the transfer market.

[BWFC_Insane]

£8m is absolutely ridiculous money for Mavies. In fact, I'm surprised we didn't bite their hand off for the £4m offered.

Is it? Have you seen how much English midfielders with Premier League experience go for?

As a club, I've long believed we've sold a lot of our players for too little. £4million for Nolan? Another English midlfielder, with a proven track record of goals in the Premier League? We should have got at least twice that. Indeed Joe Kinnear said when he bought him that he was surprised we were willing to sell him for so little.

So if we have to flog Davies(M), then let's get as much money for him as possible.

And make them take Davies(K) off our hands, too, as part of the deal...

Pratley is an English midfield player with premier league experience......

Aside from a handful of games Mark Davies has never looked the part in a "premiership midfield". He doesn't fit in a 4-4-2, he seems to have put on weight over the summer, he has never looked like being a regular goal scorer, nor a proper all action midfield player.

He might fit in very well at Swansea and I agree with you that we should make them pay a premium for him (if indeed we are to sell him, and given how tight Swansea are with money, thats no way certain yet) but he is in absolutely no way worth 5M to us. Anything above that value, given that some will go to Wolves, would be an absolute steal for us IMO.

We have to balance it with the fact we're in August already and possibly wouldn't be able to use the money in time this window. However, there are loans available throughout the season, so a short term fix could be secured in September should the need arise.

[BWFC_Insane]

I only noticed it on the bn website looking for a match report from last night!

Either way I reckon he wont be with us by the end of August. Just hope Coyle uses the coin eisely on someone ready now.

If we are turning down 4M then I'd say there is a fair chance he will still be here. How much do you think Swansea will pay? 4M is way overpriced as it is!

But we know what they are getting for ledley.

young english and overpriced...thats the nature of the transfer market.

Their chairman Huw Jenkins is notoriously tight with money. He won't overpay IMO.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I only noticed it on the bn website looking for a match report from last night! Either way I reckon he wont be with us by the end of August. Just hope Coyle uses the coin eisely on someone ready now.

If we are turning down 4M then I'd say there is a fair chance he will still be here. How much do you think Swansea will pay? 4M is way overpriced as it is!

But we know what they are getting for ledley. young english and overpriced...thats the nature of the transfer market.

Presumably you mean Joe Allen... who's Welsh...
Like I said last time: no point tying talent to contracts then selling at the first lowball offer. £6m, maybe.

[officer_dibble]

I do.Who is joe ledley?!

Its all GB these days DSB...less of the nationalism

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

sell
hold out for a better offer by all means but if its not forthcoming the 5mill which is what my mate has told me Swansea offered is plenty enough.

[Puskas]

sell
hold out for a better offer by all means but if its not forthcoming the 5mill which is what my mate has told me Swansea offered is plenty enough.

And who do we get as a replacement with this enormous £5million?

And who do we play in our midfield in the meantime?

Hmmm. As DSB points out, Pratley isn't going to fill us with confidence.

If they're not willing to pay at least £8million, we need to keep hold. Don't let our best players go for anything other than very large fees.

[Puskas]

He might fit in very well at Swansea and I agree with you that we should make them pay a premium for him (if indeed we are to sell him, and given how tight Swansea are with money, thats no way certain yet) but he is in absolutely no way worth 5M to us. Anything above that value, given that some will go to Wolves, would be an absolute steal for us IMO.

How does one measure how much he's worth to us?

[CrazyHorse]

We always say all this don't sell for less that £8mil nonsense every time one of our players is bid on and we always end up letting them go for peanuts; so shrewd is our sales team.

[boltonboris]

He's "worth" to us, whatever we decide to sell him for.. If we don;t sell him, then nobody has bid for his "worth". No point in us speculating as to what we'd sell for.. We don't really know for sure.

Others could argue he's only "worth" what somebody is willing to pay for him...

[BWFC_Insane]

He might fit in very well at Swansea and I agree with you that we should make them pay a premium for him (if indeed we are to sell him, and given how tight Swansea are with money, thats no way certain yet) but he is in absolutely no way worth 5M to us. Anything above that value, given that some will go to Wolves, would be an absolute steal for us IMO.

How does one measure how much he's worth to us?

Andrews starts? We're likely to play 4-4-2? We're looking for another defensive midfield player (and were prepared to pay Sanchez a lot of money to come before his demands became ridiculous)? Holden may well come back and Coyle has already mentioned him as being suitable for the holding role he has identified.

On that basis, will Mark Davies even get in our team every game? I suspect not. And young Vela is meant to potentially be a better more all round player.

so 5M for a bit part championship player who doesn't fit into the system our manager is bound to play?

[Bruce Rioja]

I'll bet you all a cyber Quid that he moves for an undisclosed fee.

[Chrisfu]

If we get offered £5m or more, easy, SELL. Four goals and three assists last year. I'd have Vela in a Championship side ahead of him.

[Puskas]

Andrews starts? We're likely to play 4-4-2? We're looking for another defensive midfield player (and were prepared to pay Sanchez a lot of money to come before his demands became ridiculous)? Holden may well come back and Coyle has already mentioned him as being suitable for the holding role he has identified.

On that basis, will Mark Davies even get in our team every game? I suspect not. And young Vela is meant to potentially be a better more all round player.

so 5M for a bit part championship player who doesn't fit into the system our manager is bound to play?

Ah, but if someone is willing to pay more than £5million in future (not an unreasonable assumption given the current market), then he's worth more than £5million.

Plus selling him would restrict our options in terms of not playing 442 (yes, we probably will play that system, but do we want to be forced into playing it through lack of alternatives?)

And I come back to the point that, if we sell him, we need to get a replacement (otherwise we're looking at a future of Keith Andrews and Darren Pratley. And possibly Vela, if he progresses - not appealing at all). So we need to make sure we can afford someone good enough when we do sell. And recall that, as a Championship team, the players we can attract will be of a lower quality than the ones we could in the Premier League. So that makes it harder still.

[Bruce Rioja]

And who do we get as a replacement with this enormous £5million?

And who do we play in our midfield in the meantime?

Exactly what I'm wondering. That said, I don't pretend to know the first thing about the merits of the boy Vela.

[BWFC_Insane]

We are apparently looking for a midfield player as it is. Were we to sign one, we'd then possibly not even start Mark Davies at Burnley.

And as I keep saying we can loan players throughout the season.

Question is would 2 solid Andrews type midfield players let Owen play the 4-4-2 system with 2 wide players he wants? Would it be more balanced than trying to shoehorn Mark Davies into a side and unbalancing it?

Are we back to the Curcic conundrum?

[Ianmooreslovechild]

If we get offered £5m or more, easy, SELL. Four goals and three assists last year. I'd have Vela in a Championship side ahead of him.

Yup,he's a liability in a 442,apart from a couple of flashes of brilliance the most consistenlty magical thing he did toward the end of last season was disappear when we were struggling and he's come back overweight.
5mil is a good price. If he stayed he could have some blinders against poorer teams if we boss a game but against any half decent midfield he'll be a weak link.
He could do ok at swansea but given his limitations(cant cross, cant tackle,cant run for more than 60 mins cant win a ball in the air,) I'd say 5 million is a generous price.
He can only really work in the hole and his fitness means really he's more effective coming on as a second half sub.Given coyle's preferred system he's a bit of a luxury.
I'd like to see Vela given his head alongside Andrews until Holden is fit.Not seen a lot of Vela but the bit I have seen suggest he has a better all round game than Mavis.Coyle does need another solid allrounder on the books.His tendancy to sign players who cant tackle is a bit short sighted given how poor we usually are at keeping the ball.
And Yes BWFCi I'm certain two solid centre mids in a 442 is going to work better than trying to fit Mavis in.A midfield with 3 players who like to run with the ball but cant tackle and dont track back effectively doesnt work

[Puskas]

We are apparently looking for a midfield player as it is. Were we to sign one, we'd then possibly not even start Mark Davies at Burnley.

There are several conditionals in there. Removing them, initially - with the midfield we currently have, I believe Mark Davies should start at Burnley. Even in a 442.

Otherwise, are you saying that some midfielder we haven't yet signed (and may not) should start ahead of Mark Davies, without knowing anything about him?