Time to go

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

To unfairly single out one part of your post:

However, we have a clean sheet this year

If only, m'friend. We've managed one clean sheet in 2012's 20 league games… and we didn't win that game either (0-0 with Arsenal). By contrast, we've failed to score in 8 of those 20.

In last season's 38 league games, we got three clean sheets (QPR away, Stoke and Arsenal at home) and failed to score 14 times – more than a third of occasions. For the record, these were home and away against Man U, Arsenal, Newcastle and Fulham; plus home to Sunderland and Everton, and away at Spurs, Norwich, Chelsea and Man City.

Some of those are understandable, forgivable even. Others aren't. In six hours of football we couldn't score against Newcastle or Fulham. We spent most of the three hours against Fulham looking abject. We were arguably better against Newcastle, especially at home, but completely lost the plot after substituting Muamba. In the middle of poor runs of form, Sunderland and Everton came to the Reebok and secured victories - in isolation, not terrible, but very worrying indeed as part of a pattern.

And at Burnley on Saturday we repeated the pattern. The facts are we didn't score (again) and conceded two (again). The qualitative analysis seems to be that we were woeful, lacking structure and organisation. True, one game (this season) is a small sample, but the signs aren't good, especially when there is a clear existing pattern.

I really want my club to pull out of this tailspin. I would like it to be under Coyle, but I'm beginning to worry. A lot. Tomorrow, the first home game in the second division since the time of Allardyce, is a very big game indeed for the manager and the club. It shouldn't feel so crucial so early, but it does - because we keep losing, without scoring.

[Northwich White]

Coyle has to go sooner rather than later. Really he should have been sacked after the semi-final against Stoke!!! I dont know who is worse, Owen Coyle or Phil Neal ?????

[Lord Kangana]

Although, conversely, perversley etc, the bookies have us down as amongst the favourites because of or record against sides in and around us last season.

You know, for example, would you be right now, if you were a QPR fan, stamping your feet for a new boss? How long constitutes a fair stab, and what is in store as and when we change? Because, and lets be very clear on this point (because many people simply want to avoid it), we are now following a different financial model than previously. In that respect Coyle is an experiment. The next guy will get no more, and maybe even less resources, to meet these huge expectations we collectively have.

So perhaps we should ask ourselves, are we going to be able to attract the quality of candidate we want, given the change of circumstance? Bearing in mind, the last time he had a war-chest at his disposal, Big Philly G came up with Gary Megson . I dread to imagine the candidates list this time out. Robson, Reid, McCarthy, Hoddle.....

Yours in worry etc etc

[thebish]

Although, conversely, perversley etc, the bookies have us down as amongst the favourites because of or record against sides in and around us last season.

You know, for example, would you be right now, if you were a QPR fan, stamping your feet for a new boss?

clearly Hughes can't organise a team...

[BWFC_Insane]

Although, conversely, perversley etc, the bookies have us down as amongst the favourites because of or record against sides in and around us last season.

You know, for example, would you be right now, if you were a QPR fan, stamping your feet for a new boss? How long constitutes a fair stab, and what is in store as and when we change? Because, and lets be very clear on this point (because many people simply want to avoid it), we are now following a different financial model than previously. In that respect Coyle is an experiment. The next guy will get no more, and maybe even less resources, to meet these huge expectations we collectively have.

So perhaps we should ask ourselves, are we going to be able to attract the quality of candidate we want, given the change of circumstance? Bearing in mind, the last time he had a war-chest at his disposal, Big Philly G came up with Gary Megson . I dread to imagine the candidates list this time out. Robson, Reid, McCarthy, Hoddle.....

Yours in worry etc etc

Do you take each season in isolation or do you look at last seasons disaster and then ask if the problems we have, are solved?

As Coyle said this is the squad he has built and wanted, whatever league we are in? He has signed these players one way or another.

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

As it stands the list youve put doesn't scare me as I don't believe it can get worse than what we've seen in the last 18 months. As Coyle has said anything short of promotion with this squad is failure, I suggest we have to act if it looks like we are not hitting those objectives, and with a more than generous timeframe for any new man to still achieve that objective!

[thebish]

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

that's just guesswork. wolves failed to attract a better candidate - and they are not still in the premiership...

[BWFC_Insane]

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

that's just guesswork. wolves failed to attract a better candidate - and they are not still in the premiership...

I said in my opinion.....

[thebish]

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

that's just guesswork. wolves failed to attract a better candidate - and they are not still in the premiership...

I said in my opinion.....

only for the second clause...

[BWFC_Insane]

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

that's just guesswork. wolves failed to attract a better candidate - and they are not still in the premiership...

I said in my opinion.....

only for the second clause...

Are you saying that we may be able to attract a better prospect as a championship side than a premiership one?

[Worthy4England]

Although, conversely, perversley etc, the bookies have us down as amongst the favourites because of or record against sides in and around us last season.

You know, for example, would you be right now, if you were a QPR fan, stamping your feet for a new boss? How long constitutes a fair stab, and what is in store as and when we change? Because, and lets be very clear on this point (because many people simply want to avoid it), we are now following a different financial model than previously. In that respect Coyle is an experiment. The next guy will get no more, and maybe even less resources, to meet these huge expectations we collectively have.

So perhaps we should ask ourselves, are we going to be able to attract the quality of candidate we want, given the change of circumstance? Bearing in mind, the last time he had a war-chest at his disposal, Big Philly G came up with Gary Megson . I dread to imagine the candidates list this time out. Robson, Reid, McCarthy, Hoddle.....

Yours in worry etc etc

Do you take each season in isolation or do you look at last seasons disaster and then ask if the problems we have, are solved?

As Coyle said this is the squad he has built and wanted, whatever league we are in? He has signed these players one way or another.

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

As it stands the list youve put doesn't scare me as I don't believe it can get worse than what we've seen in the last 18 months. As Coyle has said anything short of promotion with this squad is failure, I suggest we have to act if it looks like we are not hitting those objectives, and with a more than generous timeframe for any new man to still achieve that objective!

Great! The old candidates list.

Swansea - Laudrup
Norwich - Hughton
West Brom - changed a couple of times recently - Hodgson, Clarke
Fulham - Jol
West Ham - Allardyce
Birmingham City - Lee Clark
Reading - McDermott
Southampton - Adkins

All Clubs you could argue about the same clout as us.

No Dowie, No Souness, No Hoddle, No Megson, yadda yadda yadda.

Yet every time we suggest a change, the same old bogey men are rolled out.

Why are none of them at the other Clubs mentioned?

[thebish]

Are you saying that we may be able to attract a better prospect as a championship side than a premiership one?

eh? no. I'm saying that your confident assertion that we'd have got a better manager back in november was just groundless guesswork - it didn't work out for wolves - so was buy no means a certainty.

in my opinion i doubt it makes much of a stuff of a difference who we could attract now or who we could have attracted back then...

a team under huge pressure of relegation threat and no transfer budget - or a team with potential for promotion push and no transfer budget ... is the former REALLY mush more attractive than the latter? I don't think so...

[Worthy4England]

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

that's just guesswork. wolves failed to attract a better candidate - and they are not still in the premiership...

Not sure that's right either - they did attract better candidates, they chose not to employ them...

[BWFC_Insane]

Are you saying that we may be able to attract a better prospect as a championship side than a premiership one?

eh? no. I'm saying that your confident assertion that we'd have got a better manager back in november was just groundless guesswork - it didn't work out for wolves - so was buy no means a certainty.

in my opinion i doubt it makes much of a stuff of a difference who we could attract now or who we could have attracted back then...

a team under huge pressure of relegation threat and no transfer budget - or a team with potential for promotion push and no transfer budget ... is the former REALLY mush more attractive than the latter? I don't think so...

I said we were better placed, didn't say we WOULD!

[thebish]

Great! The old candidates list.

I suspect many of those clubs would be offering a more attractive transfer pot than Coyle's successor would...

but - it's a fair point - there's always someone desperate enough for the work - we could roll the dice and pick another...

i doubt there'd be that many candidates about who we could be 100% certain they'd achieve promotion...

if it didn't cost us millions - i'd not lose sleep over losing coyle - but i am not so massively confident that a saviour is waiting behind the door to usher in a new era of success and prosperity...

but then if I was a perky confident little bunny - then i'd not be a bolton fan!

[thebish]

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

that's just guesswork. wolves failed to attract a better candidate - and they are not still in the premiership...

Not sure that's right either - they did attract better candidates, they chose not to employ them...

hmmm - kind of a circular argument - did they choose not to employ them because they didn't consider them to be "better" than what they had?

[thebish]

Are you saying that we may be able to attract a better prospect as a championship side than a premiership one?

eh? no. I'm saying that your confident assertion that we'd have got a better manager back in november was just groundless guesswork - it didn't work out for wolves - so was buy no means a certainty.

in my opinion i doubt it makes much of a stuff of a difference who we could attract now or who we could have attracted back then...

a team under huge pressure of relegation threat and no transfer budget - or a team with potential for promotion push and no transfer budget ... is the former REALLY mush more attractive than the latter? I don't think so...

I said we were better placed, didn't say we WOULD!

sounds like a bit of a gamble then...

[Worthy4England]

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

that's just guesswork. wolves failed to attract a better candidate - and they are not still in the premiership...

Not sure that's right either - they did attract better candidates, they chose not to employ them...

hmmm - kind of a circular argument - did they choose not to employ them because they didn't consider them to be "better" than what they had?

I don't believe so. Bruce for example, they were only looking to Contract to the end of the Season (I think) - so I don't believe "better" was at the heart of it.

[BWFC_Insane]

Are you saying that we may be able to attract a better prospect as a championship side than a premiership one?

eh? no. I'm saying that your confident assertion that we'd have got a better manager back in november was just groundless guesswork - it didn't work out for wolves - so was buy no means a certainty.

in my opinion i doubt it makes much of a stuff of a difference who we could attract now or who we could have attracted back then...

a team under huge pressure of relegation threat and no transfer budget - or a team with potential for promotion push and no transfer budget ... is the former REALLY mush more attractive than the latter? I don't think so...

I said we were better placed, didn't say we WOULD!

sounds like a bit of a gamble then...

As we went down last season, it would have been no gamble at all. Wouldn't have lost owt.

[thebish]

As for what is a fair crack, who knows? Like I say if he'd gone last November we'd have been better placed to attract a better candidate, and in my opinion have still been in the premiership.

that's just guesswork. wolves failed to attract a better candidate - and they are not still in the premiership...

Not sure that's right either - they did attract better candidates, they chose not to employ them...

hmmm - kind of a circular argument - did they choose not to employ them because they didn't consider them to be "better" than what they had?

I don't believe so. Bruce for example, they were only looking to Contract to the end of the Season (I think) - so I don't believe "better" was at the heart of it.

clearly they didn't fancy him long term - so they didn't really judge him to be "better"...

[BWFC_Insane]

Great! The old candidates list.

I suspect many of those clubs would be offering a more attractive transfer pot than Coyle's successor would...

but - it's a fair point - there's always someone desperate enough for the work - we could roll the dice and pick another...

i doubt there'd be that many candidates about who we could be 100% certain they'd achieve promotion...

if it didn't cost us millions - i'd not lose sleep over losing coyle - but i am not so massively confident that a saviour is waiting behind the door to usher in a new era of success and prosperity...

but then if I was a perky confident little bunny - then i'd not be a bolton fan!

You can't be 100% sure with any candidate. But you have to make the judgement. As it is the poor performances on the pitch, the infighting amongst fans and miserable feeling in general that seems to be around about the club, something needs to change.

If Coyle can do that, and as he said at the forum 'prove people wrong and change opinions' then great. But if not then a change can't make things much worse...