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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:13 pm

What I love at Bolton is that half the fans will bash any player who isn't doing tricks and Skillz, someone near me has it in for Andrews cos he ain't the love child of Pele and Messi, yet wankz over Lee, Eagles and Petrov even when they're anonymous....

The other half of the fans don't like the fancy dans and wants a team of Kevin Davies', Andrews, etc and a bloke near me repeatedly berated Eagles for not 'putting his foot in'.

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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by officer_dibble » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:16 pm

Too true.

To be fair to Eagles my own view of him is tgat he's one who doesn't go missing/shirk, like say Petrov pre Christmas last year. Yes he shoots too much and yes his hairs shit but as far as wingers go he can put a shift in...

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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:18 pm

officer_dibble wrote:Too true.

To be fair to Eagles my own view of him is tgat he's one who doesn't go missing/shirk, like say Petrov pre Christmas last year. Yes he shoots too much and yes his hairs shit but as far as wingers go he can put a shift in...
I quite like Eagles, but he is wildly inconsistent. And sometimes I do wish he would 'put his foot in'.

However, I can see him getting 15 goals this season. Fantastic goal last night for a start!

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Post by n035209 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:19 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Surely it'll be unchanged team against Forest with Afobe in for Sordell? Can't see many changes to a side that has just won?

Not Coyle's style.....

As for the booing, it happens. It's stupid in my book, but happens every club, has happened for decades. Not going to change it. End of the day if people are in the ground, they can do whatever they like so long as its legal.
Bit picky but thats isnt a unchanged team! :conf:

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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by boltonboris » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:25 pm

Eagles will be our top scorer IMHO opinion
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Post by Worthy4England » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:26 pm

boltonboris wrote:Eagles will be our top scorer IMHO opinion
Is that two opinions or one? :D

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Post by boltonboris » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:27 pm

WTF fvck are you on about?! ;-)
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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by Worthy4England » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:32 pm

:-) I think Eagles was certainly one of our better performers last season and hopeful he'll do well this.

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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by truewhite15 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:33 pm

You know what depressed me most about last night? More than the first 45 minutes, more than the constant long balls?

The sign of how far we've fallen. When driving past the South Stand, last season there used to be half a dozen different trucks parked up, all sorts of satellite dishes stuck on top of them, all the signs of the match being beamed across the country.

Last night? One van. With the puniest satellite dish screwed to the roof.

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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by Athers » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:36 pm

truewhite15 wrote:You know what depressed me most about last night? More than the first 45 minutes, more than the constant long balls?

The sign of how far we've fallen. When driving past the South Stand, last season there used to be half a dozen different trucks parked up, all sorts of satellite dishes stuck on top of them, all the signs of the match being beamed across the country.

Last night? One van. With the puniest satellite dish screwed to the roof.
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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:38 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
I quite like Eagles, but he is wildly inconsistent. And sometimes I do wish he would 'put his foot in'.

However, I can see him getting 15 goals this season. Fantastic goal last night for a start!
Have watched the goals and both were excellent, Davo's a great reaction goal and Eagles certainly went in full blast at two defenders, poked the ball through legs and finished brilliantly. Two top goals that anybody would be proud of.
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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by boltonboris » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:39 pm

truewhite15 wrote: Last night? One van. With the puniest satellite dish screwed to the roof.
That was the people uninstalling the Sky boxes..
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Post by Worthy4England » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:41 pm

truewhite15 wrote:You know what depressed me most about last night? More than the first 45 minutes, more than the constant long balls?

The sign of how far we've fallen. When driving past the South Stand, last season there used to be half a dozen different trucks parked up, all sorts of satellite dishes stuck on top of them, all the signs of the match being beamed across the country.

Last night? One van. With the puniest satellite dish screwed to the roof.
Aye, that and 17,000 on for a game - not surprising for the Championship, but 5,000 (or 6k) down on last season's average. This didn't surprise me, but for the folks saying "I'm quite looking forwards to the Championship", yes, it makes a change, but only in the same way that heading home with the "ugly mate" on a Friday night does. Don't want to do it too many Friday night's running, but as a novelty it's ok the once.

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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by TKIZ! » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:44 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
I quite like Eagles, but he is wildly inconsistent. And sometimes I do wish he would 'put his foot in'.

However, I can see him getting 15 goals this season. Fantastic goal last night for a start!
Have watched the goals and both were excellent, Davo's a great reaction goal and Eagles certainly went in full blast at two defenders, poked the ball through legs and finished brilliantly. Two top goals that anybody would be proud of.
SKD goal was great to see because it shut the fella up who'd berated him the entire game and was forethought on his part to react so quickly. Eagles' was unbelievable TEKKERS, he can't dance for toffee though :lol:
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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:15 pm

Despair when I saw the line-up. Delight when we won. A cynical feeling (like others) that KD's goal might earn him an overlong stay in the side, but we'll see. That's four in six games from the captain now... :wink:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Yeah and what Afobe did was run, Sordell for me doesn't look comfortable playing the deeper striker role, Afobe seems to like chasing lost causes and it helped a lot. When we got it down and played we looked good. Even the longer game is fine, so long as people pick up the second ball. All too often first half Davies won the ball, but we lot out on the second ball.
You mean playing closer to their goal or our midfield?
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Peter Thompson wrote:Simple question - as manager can Coyle not tell /coach Bogdan to roll the ball out, and can he not also instruct / coach the players to pass to feet instead of playing constant aimless hoofball - it all comes down to the manager's instructions and how strictly he tells them to follow his instructions. When we play to feet & actually pass the ball, we are not that bad - especially in this league
There seemed to be a clear "instruction" tonight when Boggers had the ball, that the team "assembled on the half-way" then he hoofed it. There were a number of occasions where he was screaming at Ricketts/Mears to hold for a throw out which they just ignored and carried on chugging up to the half-way.
This sort of thing doesn't happen at random:
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However, there's not much point rolling it out to your defenders unless your midfielders are happy on the ball and have people to easily pass to. Which brings us back to...
Harry Genshaw wrote:I still believe we need 5 in midfield as Andrews & Mavies were again in danger of being over ran. Derby though lined up as 4-4-2 as well which meant we got away with it.
Indeed. Anyone know if Forest play foursies or fivesies? Not that OC will change it now we've won (although Sordell might be running out of starts).
hi there, i'm chris wrote:Tonight just showed for me how much we should be playing 4-3-3/4-4-1-1. We looked our most dangerous when Chris Eagles was running things through the middle.
Eh? Did we change formation, or did he just cut in a lot from the left? You could make a case for saying that Eagles would be better than Petrov on the left of a front three... if you're optimistic, you could make a case for saying OC may be preparing the ground for using the fuller midfield (perhaps for away games) once we've signed Spearing or AN Other...
TKIZ! wrote:Chungy has his say on the game, even he's saying if the ball is down on the deck we'll play better: http://www.bwfc.co.uk//news/article/chu ... 28330.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
Interesting, this:
Chungy said rather than wrote:We play not bad. We wanted to win the game a lot. I think maybe we got a little bit lucky, but we are getting better. We played much better than what we did at Burnley. Both sides were playing a lot of long ball. I think that we need to try and pass the ball on the floor more. If we can pass a lot we have the quality to easily win games like this. We have some very good players who can pass the ball on the floor very well.

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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by Leyther_Matt » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:31 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
truewhite15 wrote:You know what depressed me most about last night? More than the first 45 minutes, more than the constant long balls?

The sign of how far we've fallen. When driving past the South Stand, last season there used to be half a dozen different trucks parked up, all sorts of satellite dishes stuck on top of them, all the signs of the match being beamed across the country.

Last night? One van. With the puniest satellite dish screwed to the roof.
Aye, that and 17,000 on for a game - not surprising for the Championship, but 5,000 (or 6k) down on last season's average. This didn't surprise me, but for the folks saying "I'm quite looking forwards to the Championship", yes, it makes a change, but only in the same way that heading home with the "ugly mate" on a Friday night does. Don't want to do it too many Friday night's running, but as a novelty it's ok the once.
I thought 16,000+ home fans was a bloody good turn out and may have actually been a bigger crowd than when we played Derby in the Prem?
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Post by Bruno3 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:33 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Despair when I saw the line-up. Delight when we won. A cynical feeling (like others) that KD's goal might earn him an overlong stay in the side, but we'll see. That's four in six games from the captain now... :wink:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Yeah and what Afobe did was run, Sordell for me doesn't look comfortable playing the deeper striker role, Afobe seems to like chasing lost causes and it helped a lot. When we got it down and played we looked good. Even the longer game is fine, so long as people pick up the second ball. All too often first half Davies won the ball, but we lot out on the second ball.
You mean playing closer to their goal or our midfield?
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Peter Thompson wrote:Simple question - as manager can Coyle not tell /coach Bogdan to roll the ball out, and can he not also instruct / coach the players to pass to feet instead of playing constant aimless hoofball - it all comes down to the manager's instructions and how strictly he tells them to follow his instructions. When we play to feet & actually pass the ball, we are not that bad - especially in this league
There seemed to be a clear "instruction" tonight when Boggers had the ball, that the team "assembled on the half-way" then he hoofed it. There were a number of occasions where he was screaming at Ricketts/Mears to hold for a throw out which they just ignored and carried on chugging up to the half-way.
This sort of thing doesn't happen at random:
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However, there's not much point rolling it out to your defenders unless your midfielders are happy on the ball and have people to easily pass to. Which brings us back to...
Harry Genshaw wrote:I still believe we need 5 in midfield as Andrews & Mavies were again in danger of being over ran. Derby though lined up as 4-4-2 as well which meant we got away with it.
Indeed. Anyone know if Forest play foursies or fivesies? Not that OC will change it now we've won (although Sordell might be running out of starts).
hi there, i'm chris wrote:Tonight just showed for me how much we should be playing 4-3-3/4-4-1-1. We looked our most dangerous when Chris Eagles was running things through the middle.
Eh? Did we change formation, or did he just cut in a lot from the left? You could make a case for saying that Eagles would be better than Petrov on the left of a front three... if you're optimistic, you could make a case for saying OC may be preparing the ground for using the fuller midfield (perhaps for away games) once we've signed Spearing or AN Other...
TKIZ! wrote:Chungy has his say on the game, even he's saying if the ball is down on the deck we'll play better: http://www.bwfc.co.uk//news/article/chu ... 28330.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
Interesting, this:
Chungy said rather than wrote:We play not bad. We wanted to win the game a lot. I think maybe we got a little bit lucky, but we are getting better. We played much better than what we did at Burnley. Both sides were playing a lot of long ball. I think that we need to try and pass the ball on the floor more. If we can pass a lot we have the quality to easily win games like this. We have some very good players who can pass the ball on the floor very well.
We also have some that don't

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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by William the White » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:37 pm

Athers wrote:
truewhite15 wrote:You know what depressed me most about last night? More than the first 45 minutes, more than the constant long balls?

The sign of how far we've fallen. When driving past the South Stand, last season there used to be half a dozen different trucks parked up, all sorts of satellite dishes stuck on top of them, all the signs of the match being beamed across the country.

Last night? One van. With the puniest satellite dish screwed to the roof.
They even shut my lucky turnstyle
Did you use it last season?

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Re: Bolton v Derby

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truewhite15 wrote:You know what depressed me most about last night? More than the first 45 minutes, more than the constant long balls?

The sign of how far we've fallen. When driving past the South Stand, last season there used to be half a dozen different trucks parked up, all sorts of satellite dishes stuck on top of them, all the signs of the match being beamed across the country.

Last night? One van. With the puniest satellite dish screwed to the roof.
They even shut my lucky turnstyle
Did you use it last season?
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Re: Bolton v Derby

Post by Worthy4England » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:01 pm

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Worthy4England wrote:
truewhite15 wrote:You know what depressed me most about last night? More than the first 45 minutes, more than the constant long balls?

The sign of how far we've fallen. When driving past the South Stand, last season there used to be half a dozen different trucks parked up, all sorts of satellite dishes stuck on top of them, all the signs of the match being beamed across the country.

Last night? One van. With the puniest satellite dish screwed to the roof.
Aye, that and 17,000 on for a game - not surprising for the Championship, but 5,000 (or 6k) down on last season's average. This didn't surprise me, but for the folks saying "I'm quite looking forwards to the Championship", yes, it makes a change, but only in the same way that heading home with the "ugly mate" on a Friday night does. Don't want to do it too many Friday night's running, but as a novelty it's ok the once.
I thought 16,000+ home fans was a bloody good turn out and may have actually been a bigger crowd than when we played Derby in the Prem?
As it happens, it was by 36.

Mind, the previous games was on the 2nd Jan.

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