Management Parallels?

[bedwetter2]

I see the Coventry chief exec has sacked the manager, Andy Thorn, after he managed to relegate them and only getting three draws in the first three games in the 1st div. Just to remind everyone, as I am sure some have forgotten or see no problem in our current situation, we have 4 points after 3 games and were relegated

Could there be any parallels between our circumstances and theirs? They have had 11 managers in 10 years admittedly but, like Bolton a division above, had been flirting with relegation for a number of seasons. They have also appointed largely uninspiring individuals as manager, certainly lacking any reputation as either tactically astute or able to drive on field performance with some aggression.

Are we the north west version of Coventry, destined to fade into obscurity due to poor general management?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Here's a new game. Let's see how we can liken the situation at every club which sacks their manager to ours.

So: Chesterfield have hoofed John Sheridan. Go.

[bobo the clown]

Coventry ..... have been flirting with relegation for a number of seasons.

Coventry have flirted with relegation for 35 years, only failing twice ... once last year.

No-one in Coventry can possibly have any finger nails.

[Mar]

If we're sacking people based on the actions of other individuals then we might as well give up now.

The situations might draw similarities but we've gotta take into account the situation and the long term aims of the manager. Owen Coyles reduced the budget and the age of the players and has been following a plan that he and Gartside have no doubt discussed over several talks.

We may be frustrated about the situation but we've gotta work on overturning that losing mentality and getting into the swing of winning matches and grinding out wins (like the Forest game for example should've been a game where we got a win against a challenge).

[bedwetter2]

Here's a new game. Let's see how we can liken the situation at every club which sacks their manager to ours.

So: Chesterfield have hoofed John Sheridan. Go.

Ah, you see I was asking (perhaps ineptly) whether the background of the two clubs was similar; similar sized town/cities, not a great deal of league success over the years, one FA Cup win to our four, newish stadium, both on the slide although them for far longer, one or two decent managers over the years (again theirs rather longer ago than our most recent one).

Perhaps we should draw a parallel instead between us and Wolves!

Ultimately it is up to the attitude of a club's Board whether they fire or don't fire when results are clearly below their expectations. From what I have seen, it doesn't much matter whether the Board are trigger happy or not as to the success of a club in the longer term. So, if BWFC were as trigger happy as Coventry, Wolves, et al would our situation be any worse than it is now? Perhaps some research and the presentation of empirical evidence for or against is overdue.

Now, back to Chesterfield. Really? I can't believe that they have sacked John Sheridan, the sh*t-hot ex manager of Oldham and a Bolton old boy. They must be mad. We really need to bring him into the old boys management fold as quickly as possible.

[bedwetter2]

If we're sacking people based on the actions of other individuals then we might as well give up now.
Who said it would be based upon the actions of others?

The situations might draw similarities but we've gotta take into account the situation and the long term aims of the manager. Owen Coyles reduced the budget and the age of the players and has been following a plan that he and Gartside have no doubt discussed over several talks.

Ah, now you've got me. What long term plan is this to reinvigorate the playing side? Coyle reduced the budget because he was told that would have to happen in no uncertain terms; either that or put the club out of business. Younger players have been brought in because their wages are cheaper and that fits in with the club's budgetary constraints.


We may be frustrated about the situation but we've gotta work on overturning that losing mentality and getting into the swing of winning matches and grinding out wins (like the Forest game for example should've been a game where we got a win against a challenge).

You're damn right it's frustrating. Does the "we/we've" mean the management and playing staff or are you including the supporters in this?

[Mar]

If we're sacking people based on the actions of other individuals then we might as well give up now.
Who said it would be based upon the actions of others?

The situations might draw similarities but we've gotta take into account the situation and the long term aims of the manager. Owen Coyles reduced the budget and the age of the players and has been following a plan that he and Gartside have no doubt discussed over several talks.

Ah, now you've got me. What long term plan is this to reinvigorate the playing side? Coyle reduced the budget because he was told that would have to happen in no uncertain terms; either that or put the club out of business. Younger players have been brought in because their wages are cheaper and that fits in with the club's budgetary constraints.


We may be frustrated about the situation but we've gotta work on overturning that losing mentality and getting into the swing of winning matches and grinding out wins (like the Forest game for example should've been a game where we got a win against a challenge).

You're damn right it's frustrating. Does the "we/we've" mean the management and playing staff or are you including the supporters in this?

The supporters aswell. It seems like we're so used to the pessimism that we're blindsighted from seeing what things could turn in our favour. For example it was hard to see how after the opening twenty mins of the Forest game that we were ever going to pose a threat yet things eventually swung around and we had a really good go at it.

It could be argued that the losing mentality comes from the Megson era where we all but capitulated against the top teams on a frequent basis. Owen Coyle has had a fair crack at changing that but its not something he's managed to overcome. We went into the games vs. Arsenal/Chelsea/ManUtd/ManCity/etc. not looking like we had a chance. It's about the performances on the day and we've just seemed resigned to defeat before the balls been kicked.

Remember the record we had under Megson where we didn't win from being behind in a match for over a year or something daft like that. Well its those sort of things that keep a club down. We don't need the best players we just need a team that works together.

So yeah, we've got work to do to rebuild a mentality that sees us going into games expecting to win and expecting to turn a 1-0 deficit into a win.

[H. Pedersen]

For me, the parallel is Fulham. Came up in the same season, appointed bad managers in the spring of 2007, sacked them early in the next season, and battled relegation until the final day of the 07-08 season. But where Gartside appointed Gary Megson, Al-Fayed appointed Hodgson, and the rest is history. Now they are regularly finishing in the top half of the Premier League, and we're in the bottom half of the Championship.

[bedwetter2]

If we're sacking people based on the actions of other individuals then we might as well give up now.
Who said it would be based upon the actions of others?

The situations might draw similarities but we've gotta take into account the situation and the long term aims of the manager. Owen Coyles reduced the budget and the age of the players and has been following a plan that he and Gartside have no doubt discussed over several talks.

Ah, now you've got me. What long term plan is this to reinvigorate the playing side? Coyle reduced the budget because he was told that would have to happen in no uncertain terms; either that or put the club out of business. Younger players have been brought in because their wages are cheaper and that fits in with the club's budgetary constraints.


We may be frustrated about the situation but we've gotta work on overturning that losing mentality and getting into the swing of winning matches and grinding out wins (like the Forest game for example should've been a game where we got a win against a challenge).

You're damn right it's frustrating. Does the "we/we've" mean the management and playing staff or are you including the supporters in this?

The supporters aswell. It seems like we're so used to the pessimism that we're blindsighted from seeing what things could turn in our favour. For example it was hard to see how after the opening twenty mins of the Forest game that we were ever going to pose a threat yet things eventually swung around and we had a really good go at it.

It could be argued that the losing mentality comes from the Megson era where we all but capitulated against the top teams on a frequent basis. Owen Coyle has had a fair crack at changing that but its not something he's managed to overcome. We went into the games vs. Arsenal/Chelsea/ManUtd/ManCity/etc. not looking like we had a chance. It's about the performances on the day and we've just seemed resigned to defeat before the balls been kicked.

Remember the record we had under Megson where we didn't win from being behind in a match for over a year or something daft like that. Well its those sort of things that keep a club down. We don't need the best players we just need a team that works together.

So yeah, we've got work to do to rebuild a mentality that sees us going into games expecting to win and expecting to turn a 1-0 deficit into a win.

So, how are the supporters going to help this car crash scenario? It seems to me that you should apologise for ever disagreeing with me or indeed disputing whether Coyle is a fit and proper person to be in charge of a game of Ludo (the correct answer is that he is not fit to be in charge of any animate/inanimate/mineral/gaseous/liquid/solid substance/thing).

[Lord Kangana]

How's this for a parallel.... Hull to provide the third pivotal moment in our history in a couple of decades?

[Ianmooreslovechild]

How's this for a parallel.... Hull to provide the third pivotal moment in our history in a couple of decades?

That I could believe. But it may be too early. Have the board been scouting new managers yet?Will they say one more signing (Spearing) and lets see if it works.