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[bedwetter2]

BL3, try answering at what point do you believe it is necessary to say to Coyle that his time is up? When exactly and how bad would things need to be for you to think that?

leave it Ricky, the slaaag ain't worth it.

[Worthy4England]

BL3, try answering at what point do you believe it is necessary to say to Coyle that his time is up? When exactly and how bad would things need to be for you to think that?

That would require an opinion. As opposed to merely contradicting everybody else's. I don't think they cover that in GCSE's these days.

[Tombwfc]

I'm sure people have their own opinions on the goalkeeping situation, my (fairly unpopular one I'd guess) is that I would've sold Al Habsi but wouldn't have been so quick to ditch Jussi.

did we "ditch" jussi - or did he basically want out?

I'm talking dropping him in the first place.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Didnt Jussi get injured then Bogdan kept his place due to some blinding displays?

[Tombwfc]

To some people I'm sure the answer is yes. For me (and like I said, I'm sure it's an unpopular opinion) I've never seen Bogdan do anything particularly extraordinary, or make a save I wouldn't back Jussi to make (granted, I didn't see the replayed cup game against Spurs).

[malcd1]

You are correct when you say that Coyle did not buy Knight or Ricketts

I think technically you may be wrong there. Knight's contract exspired in the summer and he could have signed for another team. If I remeber correctly, Coyle re-signed him rather than extending his contract. Megson of course signed him originally.

[Lord Kangana]

Jussi was binned off for his wages. Al Habsi for the money. Its not difficult to see why we kept Bogdan, if you're brain's not in neutral. This of course does not mean I want us to keep Coyle, this is a straightforward explanation of why we have the goalkeeper we do.

[Mar]

So we get rid of Jussi to save money and get rid of Al-Habsi to make money. Surely one would've thought we'd've kept one of those two. Still Bogdan is a promising talent and its understandable why he ended up making his way into the first team but its sad to see that we've gone to having 2 keepers who were highly rated to having a promising understudy in the first team squad whilst spending money on a goalkeeper that wasn't that highly rated elsewhere (why are we paying money for a goalkeeper thats only going to sit on the bench????)

[Lord Kangana]

Jussi was amongst the the 2 highest paid players at the club last year. Al Habsi netted us £5m quid in total fees and was off the wage budget since summer 2010. If anyone actually wants a serious discussion as to when decisions like this started to be made, I still feel the introduction of Danny Ward whilst 1-0 down at home to Sunderland* is some kind of two fingers gesture, and a starting point. Perhaps we needed someone more pliant and willingly parsimonious?

*I remember this incident correctly, don't I?

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Jussi was binned off for his wages. Al Habsi for the money. Its not difficult to see why we kept Bogdan, if you're brain's not in neutral. This of course does not mean I want us to keep Coyle, this is a straightforward explanation of why we have the goalkeeper we do.

Certainly the decisions looked right at the time and realistically Bogdan can be a great keeper.Got to feel for the lad playing for us at present.He's another one looking short on confidence and needs support not slating. Worst position in the game when you're feeling rattled.Nowhere to hide.

LK I think you're spot on re the turning point. The Danny Ward thing was the point where the board said we cant keep funding this and the manager said I cant compete without cash(well kind of)

[Tombwfc]

Jussi was binned off for his wages. Al Habsi for the money. Its not difficult to see why we kept Bogdan, if you're brain's not in neutral. This of course does not mean I want us to keep Coyle, this is a straightforward explanation of why we have the goalkeeper we do.

Jussi was binned off because Coyle rates Bogdan higher. They were both fit and available for the last 3/4 of last season and Jussi didn't get a look in. We were paying his wages regardless so that's irrelevant. Obviously Jussi's wages are more than we are prepared to pay for a sub keeper, but if he'd been Coyle's first choice I'm sure he'd still be here.

We sold Al Habsi because we wanted the money to buy a striker (Ngog) and because we felt we were well covered with Jussi and Bogdan.

If he rated them high enough he could've kept either. He chose Bogdan as the best option, fair enough. Bogdan is perfectly adequate, but he is Coyle's choice (which was the original point of my post, that all of the current players are Coyle's, regardless of whether he originally signed them or not).

[thebish]

Jussi was binned off for his wages. Al Habsi for the money. Its not difficult to see why we kept Bogdan, if you're brain's not in neutral. This of course does not mean I want us to keep Coyle, this is a straightforward explanation of why we have the goalkeeper we do.

Jussi was binned off because Coyle rates Bogdan higher. They were both fit and available for the last 3/4 of last season and Jussi didn't get a look in. We were paying his wages regardless so that's irrelevant. Obviously Jussi's wages are more than we are prepared to pay for a sub keeper, but if he'd been Coyle's first choice I'm sure he'd still be here.

We sold Al Habsi because we wanted the money to buy a striker (Ngog) and because we felt we were well covered with Jussi and Bogdan.

If he rated them high enough he could've kept either. He chose Bogdan as the best option, fair enough. Bogdan is perfectly adequate, but he is Coyle's choice (which was the original point of my post, that all of the current players are Coyle's, regardless of whether he originally signed them or not).

also - IIRC - Al Habsi made it pretty clear that he wanted to leave if he couldn't be guaranteed first team football...

[Vertigo]

I'm sure Jussi's performances were declining before Boggers took his spot. I loved Jussi but I don't regret Coyle's decision on this one. Perhaps it would have been wise to hold on to Al-Habsi, though.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The buck stops with Coyle no matter what crap you can come up with.

speaking of which...

I spotted a tweet the other day from an impassioned fan who declared..

the book stops with Coyle!

Maybe he wanted to throw the buck at him

[Worthy4England]

The buck stops with Coyle no matter what crap you can come up with.

speaking of which...

I spotted a tweet the other day from an impassioned fan who declared..

the book stops with Coyle!

Maybe he wanted to throw the buck at him

I have high aspirations of the knew bed sheets. Maine's been ready a while.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The buck stops with Coyle no matter what crap you can come up with.

speaking of which...

I spotted a tweet the other day from an impassioned fan who declared..

the book stops with Coyle!

Maybe he wanted to throw the buck at him

I have high aspirations of the knew bed sheets. Maine's been ready a while.

Be shore too right the letters big.

[thebish]

I'm sure Jussi's performances were declining before Boggers took his spot. I loved Jussi but I don't regret Coyle's decision on this one.

indeed - he got a dog's abuse from some quarters on here...

[ohjimmyjimmy]

I'm sure Jussi's performances were declining before Boggers took his spot. I loved Jussi but I don't regret Coyle's decision on this one.

indeed - he got a dog's abuse from some quarters on here...

Like what...'ooh you're hairy' 'oi, big ears', 'stop licking your balls'

Funny how people forget. Jussi was being criticised and Bogdan was being hailed the saviour.
For now Bogdan is no 1, he's got a mistake in him like most keepers but really these should be match losers when they happen and not goal no. 2 of 3 or no. 3 of 4, so from that point of view the ten players in front of him should be set up to stop the other goals happening and they're not.

[Prufrock]

I don't understand this 'loads of folk on here were slagging Jussi now somebody is slagging Bogdan'. Unless it's the same person it's irrelephant.

FWIW I'd have kept picking Jussi, not convinced at all yet by Bogdan. I also don't think Bogdan is utter gash, or the reason we went down, or even our biggest problem. Happy to clarify.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I don't understand this 'loads of folk on here were slagging Jussi now somebody is slagging Bogdan'. Unless it's the same person it's irrelephant.

FWIW I'd have kept picking Jussi, not convinced at all yet by Bogdan. I also don't think Bogdan is utter gash, or the reason we went down, or even our biggest problem. Happy to clarify.

Are irrelephants from irreindear?

It's all points of view. I thought they were right to go with Bogdan and still do. I dont believe Jussi would be faring any better behind this team tho his experience might have helped him to keep his head up and not get rattled.Bogdan's body language was worrying at the weekend but he's not the only one who needs to show some character. It's the more experienced lads infront of him who should be giving him a bit of support and standing up.